Hypocrisy of Republicans on MLK Day

[Sunburn74]

Most segregated place in America these days is public schools in NYC.

What a ridiculous statement. Pure poppycock.

 

[Sunburn74]

It depends, as always, on how you define racism. For my part, it's exactly how King defined it: treating people according to their color over their character.

What infuriates me is when people pledge fealty to that principle in the first minute and violate it the next. At that moment, the object is not the end of racism, but using it to advance towards a desired goal. That's why I oppose affirmative action. That racism leads to injustice isn't rendered any more palatable by that fact that the right race benefits, and only the wrong race gets screwed over.

I don't know how to fix what ails black Americans, apart from being a good neighbor to them as with anyone else. It just strikes me as intolerably insulting to treat them as if they're helpless. We've done enough to them without laying a nice think slab of patronization on top.

This is stupid. Just stupid. Like all of these populist, nationalistic, authoritarian desiring children on this forum you think everything is simple and can be explained in one sentence and solved in another.

What social scientists recognize is that there is conscious racism (ie going out to lynch a guy) and there is unconscious and systematic racism. Today the unconscious is much much worse and much more damaging. It's also harder to find. A study looked at the effect of ethnic names on resume-call backs for jobs. Huge differences based on race with equal qualifications. In fact multiple studies have looked at this and its persistent even in fields that have huge labor shortages (like daycare staff). Another study looked at house showings by realtors. They took fake white couples and fake black couples and had them go on house searches with the same fake housing needs. Despite having on paper similar fake finances and identical requests in terms of houses shown, realtors showed white couples more houses than the otherwise identical black couple. In essence, the same realtor would "omit" houses from black clients. But they weren't rude, weren't crude, were't racist. The study evaluated the interaction and these realtors were always extremely nice and professional. But there is systemic bias at play which essentially denies based on race access to housing and neighborhoods.

That is the problem. If you believe anything in america is a level playing field and is completely fair, you are a fool. Nothing is equal and nothing is fair. Once you accept that you can start developing means to tweak the gears of goverment to make things fair because that is what governments are supposed to be doing: ensuring that when it comes to competition in life and in business, things are as fair as possible.

 

[ivwshane]

Now let's look at history from Nixon forward.

Now why would anyone want to do that?!!!

 

[fskimospy]

He would endorse measures that necessarily violate his standard in order to arrive eventually at that standard?

I doubt he would have viewed it as violating his standard. He would probably see it as most people do, as a compensation to reduce the effects of endemic racism that exists in society.

I mean this is kind of common sense. If you see a system where all the empirical evidence shows that black people are heavily discriminated against you take measures to reduce that.

 

[IronWing]

Most segregated place in America these days is public schools in NYC.

I thought churches were the most segregated places in America.

 

[snarfbot]

tldr:

op doesnt like republicans and herped and derped a thread into existence using martin luther king day as a pretext to spew forth his daily fake news.

 

[kage69]

And in keeping with the absolute joke Dump and his sycophant republicans are, I heard Texas' Greg Abbot is going to be a marshal at an MLK parade?

What a friggin joke. Republican hypocrisy, the ability to eat shit and grin, seems like all this bullshit is the only thing they're good at. The GOP is a stain, a smelly, noxious, greasy stain on this country.

 

[snarfbot]

herp derp, happy martin luther king day!

drumpf is finished, herp derp

 

[IronWing]

herp derp, happy martin luther king day!

drumpf is finished, herp derp

I think you already said that.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I thought churches were the most segregated places in America.

I actually agree with you on this as its something that I've personally witnessed everywhere I've been.

 

[bshole]

It depends, as always, on how you define racism. For my part, it's exactly how King defined it: treating people according to their color over their character.

What infuriates me is when people pledge fealty to that principle in the first minute and violate it the next. At that moment, the object is not the end of racism, but using it to advance towards a desired goal. That's why I oppose affirmative action. That racism leads to injustice isn't rendered any more palatable by that fact that the right race benefits, and only the wrong race gets screwed over.

I don't know how to fix what ails black Americans, apart from being a good neighbor to them as with anyone else. It just strikes me as intolerably insulting to treat them as if they're helpless. We've done enough to them without laying a nice think slab of patronization on top.

You oppose affirmative action because you are white and affirmative action helps black people. They aren't your tribe so you don't give a fuck about them. For some reason that befuddles me, conservative Christians don't understand that when blacks do better, America does better and therefor whites do better.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think you already said that.

He's stuck in a loop, time to Ctrl+c

 

[SMOGZINN]

That is the problem. If you believe anything in america is a level playing field and is completely fair, you are a fool. Nothing is equal and nothing is fair. Once you accept that you can start developing means to tweak the gears of goverment to make things fair because that is what governments are supposed to be doing: ensuring that when it comes to competition in life and in business, things are as fair as possible.

His evaluation of Affirmative Action is all about denial of privilege. People making the argument that Affirmative Action is racist are trying to pretend that while males do not have a huge amount of privilege. If they took that privilege into account they would see that Affirmative Action is not discriminatory, but is almost certainly not enough to level the field. The fall back on an imagined definition of racism being 'anything that uses race as a criteria' because it allows them to make a technical argument, even if that argument is completely devoid of any real world meaning.

Now that I've used the dreaded 'Privilege' word, Atreus21 and others like him have to attack me as a SJW (because apparently wanting justice is a bad thing).

 

[bshole]

tldr:

op doesnt like republicans and herped and derped a thread into existence using martin luther king day as a pretext to spew forth his daily fake news.

OP posted:

VP Pence laid a wreath at MLK's memorial, touting his dream of a country where all men are created equal.

Apparently you believe that the photos of VP Pence laying the wreath are faked. That is quite a rabbit hole you have dug.

 

[snarfbot]

OP posted:

Apparently you believe that the photos of VP Pence laying the wreath are faked. That is quite a rabbit hole you have dug.

he laid a wreath because of his privilege, herp derp evil racist!

 

[bshole]

he laid a wreath because of his privilege, herp derp evil racist!

Are you admitting that Pence laid wreath now? That what the OP posted was not fake news but was in fact reflective of reality?

Do you understand that the OP posted political news mixed in with his own political commentary? Political commentary cannot be classified as fake news, that is a category mistake on your part.

 

[snarfbot]

muh commentary is that pence is a bigot because he did something on martin luther king jr day! dont criticize me, im political commentarying!! heerrrp derp!

 

[bshole]

muh commentary is that pence is a bigot because he did something on martin luther king jr day! dont criticize me, im political commentarying!! heerrrp derp!

No don't call it fake news. Fake news has a specific definition and you are using the term in a manner inconsistent with the definition. If you disagree with his commentary, just say so.

I tend to agree with your point. Pence did the appropriate thing by laying the wreath. I will not criticize him for that. There are a plethora of valid things to criticize him for.

Conservatives have a reputation for being the most unfunny people on the planet. Your attempts at humor are an ample demonstration of this deficit.

 

[SMOGZINN]

muh commentary is that pence is a bigot because he did something on martin luther king jr day! dont criticize me, im political commentarying!! heerrrp derp!

If you have something to comment, please do so. Otherwise you really are just herp-a-derping.

 

[bshole]

If you have something to comment, please do so. Otherwise you really are just herp-a-derping.

You see Snarf, now this is humor! I laughed!

 

[snarfbot]

even if there were a plethora of valid things to criticize him for, which im sure there is, his actions here today cannot be interpreted as anything but respectful.

to use it as pretext to bash him and all republicans as tone deaf racists is absurd.

 

[bshole]

even if there were a plethora of valid things to criticize him for, which im sure there is, his actions here today cannot be interpreted as anything but respectful.

to use it as pretext to bash him and all republicans as tone deaf racists is absurd.

That is by far the most effective post you have made in this thread. I am sure many strongly disagree with you, but your logic was sound.

Since I kinda agree with you on this one, I'll let them argue the counter.

 

[Commodus]

even if there were a plethora of valid things to criticize him for, which im sure there is, his actions here today cannot be interpreted as anything but respectful.

to use it as pretext to bash him and all republicans as tone deaf racists is absurd.

He wasted taxpayer money solely for an excuse to attack black football players protesting racist police violence.

Unless he's willing to offer a sincere apology and pay back the money he wasted (he isn't), his very presence at that memorial was disrespectful.

 

[snarfbot]

that's kind of unreasonable, what should he have done then? nothing? tweeted a picture of a nice cold beer, with the caption "enjoying my day off, thanks mlk!"

you would have condemned him regardless of whatever he does, so maybe the issue is with you.

 

[dainthomas]

He wasted taxpayer money solely for an excuse to attack black football players protesting racist police violence.

Unless he's willing to offer a sincere apology and pay back the money he wasted (he isn't), his very presence at that memorial was disrespectful.

Conservatives are also known for having no sense of irony or hypocrisy. Doubtless Dump's lackey sees zero disconnect between protesting a peaceful protest (?) and anything he said or did yesterday.