hypocritical christians

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: nachiketa1

Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm an agnostic and I'm a 39 year old virgin. I'd like to see a religious person beat that...

I feel sorry for you.

Don't -- he is a bride of Christ

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm an agnostic and I'm a 39 year old virgin. I'd like to see a religious person beat that...

heh just wondering if this was by choice? it's not that hard to get laid...

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: weezergirl
Ok, I'm getting conflicting views on christianity here. One group of christians agrees with me, the other group does not. which is right?

in other words, what exactly does it mean to be christian?

being a Christian is trusting Jesus Christ for your salvation. it's accepting the fact that you mess up and that you need forgiveness in order to be redeemed. Christianity isn't about a system of do's and don'ts. you don't get grace by these means. grace is only from God ... and it is a free gift. =) hope that helps

 

[MainFramed]

christanty is a way of life.....a way of life in which you do not do any of the things weezergirl listed in her first post.....



christanty isint a religon...its a way of life

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: weezergirl
Ok, I'm getting conflicting views on christianity here. One group of christians agrees with me, the other group does not. which is right?

in other words, what exactly does it mean to be christian?

My best answer: Pick up a Bible and read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Just try to observe what Jesus did. Then, if you want to read what the church is suppose to be, read Acts. Then, answer for yourself.

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: weezergirl
Ok, I'm getting conflicting views on christianity here. One group of christians agrees with me, the other group does not. which is right?

in other words, what exactly does it mean to be christian?

being a Christian is trusting Jesus Christ for your salvation. it's accepting the fact that you mess up and that you need forgiveness in order to be redeemed. Christianity isn't about a system of do's and don'ts. you don't get grace by these means. grace is only from God ... and it is a free gift. =) hope that helps

that sounds like a good definition to me. but to ask for forgiveness, you must be sorry for what you did...if you do it on a continual basis are you really that sorry? that's my point!

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

what God wants from us IS impossible to give. He requires perfection in order to get into heaven. obviously no one with the exception of Himself was perfect. now to us that seems really jacked up. it is. He loves us too and that's why He wanted to circumvent this problem. He did this through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. by His forgiveness, we are made clean in the eyes of God. we just need to accept this forgiveness. it's nothing WE do ... it's accepting what HE has done. hope this helps. =)

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: here4amission
christanty is a way of life.....a way of life in which you do not do any of the things weezergirl listed in her first post.....



christanty isint a religon...its a way of life

Christianity IS a religion, and a way of life. They go hand in hand. And nothing is cut and dry in the Bible. What is right and wrong according to the Bible can be debated night and day for eternity.

 

[MonkOnXanax]

here's the biggies:


did jesus have sex before he died, and if so, isn't premarital sex a sin?

when/why did premarital sex become a sin?

did the 'virgin' mary die a virgin, and did jesus have any siblings?

jesus himself was against organized religion. religion nowadays is a multi-$$$$ corporation.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

Have you ever read The New Testament?

It doesn't take very long, maybe a couple of days. After reading it you will have a foundation to attack Christianity. Until then you are only basing your beliefs and opinions on the studies of others.

Do your own research and make up your own mind.

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

I also took a philosophy of religion course in college. At the end of the quarter the professor, whose father had been a pastor, admitted that after studying extensively on the subject for himself he became agnostic.

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: weezergirl

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: weezergirl
Ok, I'm getting conflicting views on christianity here. One group of christians agrees with me, the other group does not. which is right?

in other words, what exactly does it mean to be christian?

being a Christian is trusting Jesus Christ for your salvation. it's accepting the fact that you mess up and that you need forgiveness in order to be redeemed. Christianity isn't about a system of do's and don'ts. you don't get grace by these means. grace is only from God ... and it is a free gift. =) hope that helps

that sounds like a good definition to me. but to ask for forgiveness, you must be sorry for what you did...if you do it on a continual basis are you really that sorry? that's my point!

being a Christian means that you're forgiven for what you do. however, simply because we mess up doesn't legitimize our messing up. it doesn't give us a license to mess up even more. the motive for more Christ-like living is to emulate Christ and strive to be more like Him. I don't know if this answers your question ... does it?

 

[GTaudiophile]

did jesus have sex before he died, and if so, isn't premarital sex a sin?

It's never mentioned in scripture, so I would say he didn't.

when/why did premarital sex become a sin?

Read the "Songs Solomon" in the OT.

did the 'virgin' mary die a virgin, and did jesus have any siblings?

No, she ended up having children with Joseph, her husband. So, Jesus had a brother.

 

[Cyberian]

Apparently I don't have the faintest concept of what it is to be Christian (which is probably true since I've never been a christian or claimed to be one) and you refuse to explain it to me. Thanks for contributing NOTHING to this thread.

Was your original post meant to find answers, to bash most Christians, or to complain about hypocritical Christians?

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

Have you ever read The New Testament?

It doesn't take very long, maybe a couple of days. After reading it you will have a foundation to attack Christianity. Until then you are only basing your beliefs and opinions on the studies of others.

Do your own research and make up your own mind.

I did study the Bible for 2 years along side my girlfriends father. No one makes up my mind for me. I have made my own decisions, and I am agnostic because of it. He opened my eyes to the subject, and I am grateful he did, because I am less ignorant because of it.

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

what God wants from us IS impossible to give. He requires perfection in order to get into heaven. obviously no one with the exception of Himself was perfect. now to us that seems really jacked up. it is. He loves us too and that's why He wanted to circumvent this problem. He did this through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. by His forgiveness, we are made clean in the eyes of God. we just need to accept this forgiveness. it's nothing WE do ... it's accepting what HE has done. hope this helps. =)

I have heard this many times to explain why christians shouldn't be "judged" for their imperfections. I agree that noone is perfect, but for one to truly believe in God, wouldn't they attempt to follow the christian way of life? How can one say they 100% believe in God and continually commit sins with no feeling of remorse? So basically, I agree with you...to believe in God IS all that is required...but if you commit these sins than I can deduce that you don't truly believe in God.

I'd just like to say I"m not attacking ALL christians, I have many christian friends who have earned my respect in their way of life and their beliefs and their self will. It's just that the majority do not.

 

[Dragnov]

Because they are fake?

I know lots of people that claim to be "something" religion but are nothing close to it. I don't think you should those people as examples for the religion... You can always recognize bad apples but not the true ones.

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

Have you ever read The New Testament?

It doesn't take very long, maybe a couple of days. After reading it you will have a foundation to attack Christianity. Until then you are only basing your beliefs and opinions on the studies of others.

Do your own research and make up your own mind.

I did study the Bible for 2 years along side my girlfriends father. No one makes up my mind for me. I have made my own decisions, and I am agnostic because of it. He opened my eyes to the subject, and I am grateful he did, because I am less ignorant because of it.

if you so choose, i think you guys should talk to some pastors. these guys really devote their lives to the study, have gone to seminary, and are devoted to its study or practical application ... most if not all 7 days of the week. any good pastor should be practiced in apologetics and can answer almost any legitimate question you have.

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Apparently I don't have the faintest concept of what it is to be Christian (which is probably true since I've never been a christian or claimed to be one) and you refuse to explain it to me. Thanks for contributing NOTHING to this thread.

Was your original post meant to find answers, to bash most Christians, or to complain about hypocritical Christians?

All of the above

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: weezergirl

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

I also took a philosophy of religion course in college. At the end of the quarter the professor, whose father had been a pastor, admitted that after studying extensively on the subject for himself he became agnostic.

But, the likes of C.S. Lewis thought otherwise. The more he tried to disprove it, the more he believed.

Fact is, I've seen too many miracles for me to not believe in a God.

 

[ElDonAntonio]

I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

what God wants from us IS impossible to give. He requires perfection in order to get into heaven. obviously no one with the exception of Himself was perfect. now to us that seems really jacked up. it is. He loves us too and that's why He wanted to circumvent this problem. He did this through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. by His forgiveness, we are made clean in the eyes of God. we just need to accept this forgiveness. it's nothing WE do ... it's accepting what HE has done. hope this helps. =)

If it was only that simple. God wants our lives. He wants them devoted to him in all aspects of life. He wants us to believe in him in blind faith.

 

[StormRider]

Don't -- he is a bride of Christ

Huh?

I just did a search on "bride of Christ" and found some web sites but have no idea what this is about.

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: weezergirl

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

what God wants from us IS impossible to give. He requires perfection in order to get into heaven. obviously no one with the exception of Himself was perfect. now to us that seems really jacked up. it is. He loves us too and that's why He wanted to circumvent this problem. He did this through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. by His forgiveness, we are made clean in the eyes of God. we just need to accept this forgiveness. it's nothing WE do ... it's accepting what HE has done. hope this helps. =)

I have heard this many times to explain why christians shouldn't be "judged" for their imperfections. I agree that noone is perfect, but for one to truly believe in God, wouldn't they attempt to follow the christian way of life? How can one say they 100% believe in God and continually commit sins with no feeling of remorse? So basically, I agree with you...to believe in God IS all that is required...but if you commit these sins than I can deduce that you don't truly believe in God.

I'd just like to say I"m not attacking ALL christians, I have many christian friends who have earned my respect in their way of life and their beliefs and their self will. It's just that the majority do not.

i like your attitude. it's inquistive and not hostile. =) i can't answer for hypocritical Christians. I try to live my life the way I think God would want me to. I'm a third year in college, never drank and haven't engaged in premarital sex. Some of you might think I'm a square but that's the way it flows. the Christian life is a lot harder to lead because you have to set an example for non-Christians ... many who see all Christians in you. it's not an easy walk and some people find it fun and easy to live life the way everyone else does. does this mean they're not saved? no. only God knows. you can't judge a message by the messenger. in the same way you can't judge the Christian religion and its philosophy by the people that follow it. we're not perfect and we do screw up (i do ALL the time, trust me). i wish it were not so ... but that's the way we're all built.