hypocritical christians

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

 

"how do christians get drunk, get high, have premarital sex, are homosexuals, swear on a regular basis, cheat, etc and still manage to call themselves christians and go to church every sunday?"

I so agree with you. My sis was working with youths at her church. Being of the character that she is, she was able to get them to answer some survey questions sincerely. It was unbelievable how many knew that their practices were contrary to the Bible they profess to believe in, yet they defended their actions.

There was also this very good-looking guy who acted so strong a believer. He always talked about God. People wondered what was up sometimes because of how good-looking he was. Come to hear months later that he's been spotted frequenting the gay clubs. LOL!

I always had trouble with this, but I came to realise that many people called themselves Christians but really weren't. It starts to make sense why Revelation has that few number (even if not taken literally) in heaven.

My point is, if people want to live a certain lifestyle, they should. However, don't profess to be what you aren't and give a belief system a bad name. You're either a member of a belief system or you aren't. Trying to justify a violation of its very foundations and essence is robbing the religion and defeats what makes it what it is.

 

[nachiketa1]

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy Beast1284 In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it. ______________________________________________________________________________________ Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

what God wants from us IS impossible to give. He requires perfection in order to get into heaven. obviously no one with the exception of Himself was perfect. now to us that seems really jacked up. it is. He loves us too and that's why He wanted to circumvent this problem. He did this through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. by His forgiveness, we are made clean in the eyes of God. we just need to accept this forgiveness. it's nothing WE do ... it's accepting what HE has done. hope this helps. =)

Where is it stated that God requires perfection from all living entities to attain Him? All that is required is sincere devotion. Just wondering, do the followers of Christ believe that God is a formless all-pervading "force" or that He has a form.

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: udonoogen

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Beast1284

In my view, the only people who truly know what it is to be Christian, are people who are not Christian. The people who have researched the Bible and it's origins to no ends, are the ones who know the bvllshit behind it.

______________________________________________________________________________________


Do you have some links to prove your point?

If I did I would have provided them. My Christian studies teacher in College has a PHD in Theology. I have spoken with him many times in private and him and his colleagues in general are not believers. They were interested in the subject in college, but by the time they had their degree, they understood what Christianity is really all about, and did not believe it because of what they knew about it. My girlfriends father used to be a hardcore Christian, until he devoted his life to studying the Bible. It became his obsession. To make a long story short, he learned that what the god wanted from people was impossible to give, due to human nature as we know it. But like I said, this is all my view on the subject, and it's the most rational argument i have yet to see.

what God wants from us IS impossible to give. He requires perfection in order to get into heaven. obviously no one with the exception of Himself was perfect. now to us that seems really jacked up. it is. He loves us too and that's why He wanted to circumvent this problem. He did this through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. by His forgiveness, we are made clean in the eyes of God. we just need to accept this forgiveness. it's nothing WE do ... it's accepting what HE has done. hope this helps. =)

If it was only that simple. God wants our lives. He wants them devoted to him in all aspects of life. He wants us to believe in him in blind faith.

matthew 5:48 = therefore you are to be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect

in a way you're right. salvation, like i said is trusting in Jesus Christ completely for your life and salvation. (perhaps that was unclear) i don't believe my faith is blind. i've been walking this walk for 15 years of my life. i'm young compared to most of you ... and most of you would consider me foolish. but i know where i'm going after i die. and that's not blind belief.

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: luvly
"how do christians get drunk, get high, have premarital sex, are homosexuals, swear on a regular basis, cheat, etc and still manage to call themselves christians and go to church every sunday?"

I so agree with you. My sis was working with youths at her church. Being of the character that she is, she was able to get them to answer some survey questions sincerely. It was unbelievable how many knew that their practices were contrary to the Bible they profess to believe in, yet they defended their actions.

There was also this very good-looking guy who acted so strong a believer. He always talked about God. People wondered what was up sometimes because of how good-looking he was. Come to hear months later that he's been spotted frequenting the gay clubs. LOL!

I always had trouble with this, but I came to realise that many people called themselves Christians but really weren't. It starts to make sense why Revelation has that few number (even if not taken literally) in heaven.

My point is, if people want to live a certain lifestyle, they should. However, don't profess to be what you aren't and give a belief system a bad name. You're either a member of a belief system or you aren't. Trying to justify a violation of its very foundations and essence is robbing the religion and defeats what makes it what it is.

wow, usually i totally disagree with what you have to say but this was perfect. well said!

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Don't -- he is a bride of Christ

Huh?

I just did a search on "bride of Christ" and found some web sites but have no idea what this is about.

Apparently, some nuns feel that in their celibacy they are "brides of Christ", betrothed to him, and that after death they will be esctatically united with him. Christian mystics throughout the ages have spoken of an almost erotic relationship with God,. so I was just pulling your leg a little (not your little leg)


added: I think it also describes the Church (collectivel) at the end of time

 

[ElDonAntonio]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

 

[StormRider]

Apparently, some nuns feel that in their celibacy they are "brides of Christ", betrothed to him, and that after death they will be esctatically united with him. Christian mystics throughout the ages have spoken of an almost erotic relationship with God,. so I was just pulling your leg a little (not your little leg)

Oh, hehe.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

 

"I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all."

Hon', your argument would make sense if only people would follow such principle. It's simple: What makes a religion a religion is a set of rules. This rules, unlike the constitution or science, are not subject amendments except in revolutionary situations within that belief system. If anyone wants to adjust a belief system just to suit his (or her) situation, then he (or she) should save himself (or herself) from the trouble by formulating a new belief system with its own name and title. In revolutionary situations where what is being questioned is the underlying belief system having to do with the question of existence, the nature of man, how to obtain truth, the fate of man, etc.; well, it still constitutes a different belief system, but not necessarily a different religion. It's just a different denomination most of the time. And in that case, start your own.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: weezergirl

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Apparently I don't have the faintest concept of what it is to be Christian (which is probably true since I've never been a christian or claimed to be one) and you refuse to explain it to me. Thanks for contributing NOTHING to this thread.

Was your original post meant to find answers, to bash most Christians, or to complain about hypocritical Christians?

All of the above

Then you have succeeded admirably.
Perhaps at some point in the future you may choose to have an intelligent discussion about your hypothesis.

 

[przero]

Read the Book of Romans, the Apostle Paul wrestled with the same questions. Before the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, Man was under the Law and it was impossible to keep. When Christ died on the cross, he paid for all our sins. NO MAN IS SINLESS! Not Billy Graham or Billy Gates. You will not go to Hell for any sin, except the sin of unbelief. Once you are "saved" your sins(past, present, and future) are forgiven. There are plenty of Christians struggling with addictions and such, but as they grow and mature they find freedom from those bondages. There will always, however,be Christians that even though they are saved, live in bondage to those things and suffer all the misery that those actions bring. Then there are those people that never really accepted Christ as Savior, even though they call themselves Christians and preach to the masses they'll wind up in the Devil's Hell! You will know them fruits of their labor. Before you start a thread bashing Christians try read the Gospel of Luke. And Beast1284 before you believe some self professed Biblical Scholar, search the scriptures and see if it be so. Everything in the Bible points to Jesus Christ! Read it, you just might enjoy it. And remember the second greatest commandment according to the Savior was "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself". That's the one that is really hard to keep. When someone is condemning you to Hell, see if they do it in love or contempt. That will tell you a lot about their Faith!!

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

That is an extremely gray area. Here is my take on it. Nowhere does the Bible talk about masturbation directly. It does talk about lust. Lusting is a sin in the Bible. So, I suppose if you could get off without thinking of anything sexual, I suppose that would not be a sin.

 

[weezergirl]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: weezergirl

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Apparently I don't have the faintest concept of what it is to be Christian (which is probably true since I've never been a christian or claimed to be one) and you refuse to explain it to me. Thanks for contributing NOTHING to this thread.

Was your original post meant to find answers, to bash most Christians, or to complain about hypocritical Christians?

All of the above

Then you have succeeded admirably.
Perhaps at some point in the future you may choose to have an intelligent discussion about your hypothesis.

dude, i was just kidding. what did i say that offended you??

 

[ElDonAntonio]

Originally posted by: luvly
Hon', your argument would make sense if only people would follow such principle. It's simple: What makes a religion a religion is a set of rules.

Sorry amore mio, but if by rules you mean rules like not drinking or having sex, I have to disagree. A religion IMO should be a spiritual way of life.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

That is an extremely gray area. Here is my take on it. Nowhere does the Bible talk about masturbation directly. It does talk about lust. Lusting is a sin in the Bible. So, I suppose if you could get off without thinking of anything sexual, I suppose that would not be a sin.

I thought God killed Onan for masturbating

 

[StormRider]

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

That's what tissue paper is for...

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

That is an extremely gray area. Here is my take on it. Nowhere does the Bible talk about masturbation directly. It does talk about lust. Lusting is a sin in the Bible. So, I suppose if you could get off without thinking of anything sexual, I suppose that would not be a sin.

I thought God killed Onan for masturbating

Geez. Onan wasn't masturbating!!! He got killed for not doing what God had commanded him to do.

 

[ElDonAntonio]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

My whole point is that the bible or the kuran or the torah should not be blindly followed. I respect the values presented in the new testament, but that doesn't mean I'll abandon every material thing I possess to become a fisherman.

 

[Pastore]

JFur, catch it. Make sure you fire up an online bible or one you have at home to read the scriptures along with the commentary and make up your own mind on the situation.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio
I think people striclty sticking to their religion and the rules they impose are backward people.

What's the point of a religion? it's not wearing special clothes, or avoiding electricity or not having sex. It's about finding peace of mind, that's all. Some people find it through religion, other through meditation, other through martial arts, while others don't seek it at all.

Furthermore, IMHO, a true religion should not impose any way of life besides that of respecting humanity. I am proud of being a christian because I find Jesus Christ's "rules" of respecting and loving each other remarquable. I don't go to church every sunday, but that doesn't make me any less christian. I do my best to forgive others' mistakes, and to help anyone as much as I can. No, I'm not perfect, but I try to be a better man every day. I guess that's the whole point.

In all cases, I don't care at all what you call your god or how many you have. The only important thing is that every one respects the other and finds peace of mind in whatever he believes in. A belief is personnal and should not be imposed on someone else. Any alien looking at us would think we're complete morons insulting and killing each other because of religion.

What is your definition of a Christian?

I think this is quite an irrelevant question, but I'd say it's someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Hence the word "christian".

Well it is relevant to the thread, but not relevant to your post. But that is exactly the point I was trying to make. You believe that if you believe in Christ, that you will go to heaven. All I am saying is that is not all the Bible teaches. There is much more to it than that.

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

That is an extremely gray area. Here is my take on it. Nowhere does the Bible talk about masturbation directly. It does talk about lust. Lusting is a sin in the Bible. So, I suppose if you could get off without thinking of anything sexual, I suppose that would not be a sin.

I thought God killed Onan for masturbating

Geez. Onan wasn't masturbating!!! He got killed for not doing what God had commanded him to do.

oh, I see, God commanded him to ejaculate in a WOMAN, and when he didn't, he was killed. Exegesis, exegesis

 

[ElDonAntonio]

damn these OT threads are fasts...

 

[StormRider]

Geez. Onan wasn't masturbating!!! He got killed for not doing what God had commanded him to do.

I thought God commanded him to not masturbate...

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: StormRider

isn't is sinful to "spill one's seed" on the ground?

That's what tissue paper is for...

this thread has officially been hijacked. =P

edit: grammar ... i talk fob when im sleep