Hysterectomy Question

Brovane

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My wife just had a visit with her OB. She has a uterine prolapse. She first start noticing the symptons about a week ago.

The doctor is recomended that my wife look at having a Hysterectomy to remove her Uterus. She is 34 and we have 2-kids already and are not planning on anymore.

(Sorry no Pics of the wife.)

Just wondering if anyone had any experience with this decision making? Right now we are leaning towards having the surgery.
 

Megatomic

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My wife was 28 at the time. She had ovarian and uterine cancer. It was that surgery or death, the choice was easy for us. As for gotchas, it will mess up her sexual function. Lube is now required no matter the level of arousal.

But honestly, she can be as lusty as she was prior to the surgery, matter of fact she often wants it more often due to me being tired from my running all the time.

There are also the hotflashes. Your wife will be post-menopausal, you should expect that to happen. I don't know about the hormone therapies available today. They caused my wife more problems than they fixed back when she tried them. Now she just supplements with calcium and iron and takes Womens vitamins.

Any specific things you want to know, ask here or PM me. I don't mind helping as I can.
 

Brovane

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My wife was 28 at the time. She had ovarian and uterine cancer. It was that surgery or death, the choice was easy for us. As for gotchas, it will mess up her sexual function. Lube is now required no matter the level of arousal.

But honestly, she can be as lusty as she was prior to the surgery, matter of fact she often wants it more often due to me being tired from my running all the time.

There are also the hotflashes. Your wife will be post-menopausal, you should expect that to happen. I don't know about the hormone therapies available today. They caused my wife more problems than they fixed back when she tried them. Now she just supplements with calcium and iron and takes Womens vitamins.

Any specific things you want to know, ask here or PM me. I don't mind helping as I can.

Thanks I appreciate the feedback. The doctor just wants to remove the Uterus and leave the Ovaries so no hormone supplementals should be required. We have had to use lube even since the birth of or second child so that shouldn't be a big deal. We knew we wanted to stop after the second child however it has been 7-years since her birth and neither one of us had wanted to make the final decision that we where done for sure. Now this has kind of forced the decision on us. I always assumed I would be the one getting snipped. However this has flipped things around.
 

ichy

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I would strongly recommend getting a second opinion. IANAD and I don't know anything about your wife's condition but if you're talking about any kind of major elective surgery I think it's worth getting another doctor's perspective. If the second doctor can recommend more conservative treatment it'll spare your wife from having the surgery, and if he agrees with the first doctor it'll give both of you greater peace of mind.
 

Brovane

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I would strongly recommend getting a second opinion. IANAD and I don't know anything about your wife's condition but if you're talking about any kind of major elective surgery I think it's worth getting another doctor's perspective. If the second doctor can recommend more conservative treatment it'll spare your wife from having the surgery, and if he agrees with the first doctor it'll give both of you greater peace of mind.

The doctor did give us a option. The more conservative would be putting a Pessary in the Vagina temporarily until the condition improves. However both of us agreed that dealing with a Pessary would be a pain. So it is like do we deal with elective surgery and temporary pain for the recovery or possibly deal with a Pessary for significantly longer time. I have however thought about getting a second opinion. However doing the hysterectomy kind of seems like the best choice. It fixes the problem she is having and we don't have to worry about birth control. However it is a elective surgery and brings along all those un-knowns of elective surgery.
 

Dallascisco

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My wife had the surgery a few years ago at 44 due to PCOS. They ended up finding a Brenner's tumor on one of her ovaries which is a 98 percent chance of Ovarian Cancer. It took her a couple weeks to get back on her feet and most women need more but she feels much better after the surgery and HRT.
 

Miramonti

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My wife had this surgery about 5 years ago, keeping the ovaries, and has felt great. No periods is a nice byproduct. It was fairly non-invasive, a couple cuts in the side of abdomen, which is then blown up with air to create workspace iirc. She was pretty normal after a month. After healing, it's helpful to do light exercise to prevent the adhesions that the body creates after surgeries like this (thin paper-like scar tissue), from being too tight and strangulating areas like the intestines. This is not a common problem, but can be a tightness/discomfort for some, and sometimes slow down the bowls. She's had numerous surgeries in this area, and one of the benefits was that the doctor actually used the opportunity to cut away a lot of her previous adhesions, which was great. /edit: she elected this surgery because her periods had been brutal for years, and was no longer considering children (or able to have them). It has been a very positive decision.
 
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CPA

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My wife had hers removed several years ago. She loves no periods. Doc asked us "do you want me to make it like she was 18 again?" I was like "hell's yeah!"
 

Brovane

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My wife had this surgery about 5 years ago, keeping the ovaries, and has felt great. No periods is a nice byproduct. It was fairly non-invasive, a couple cuts in the side of abdomen, which is then blown up with air to create workspace iirc. She was pretty normal after a month. After healing, it's helpful to do light exercise to prevent the adhesions that the body creates after surgeries like this (thin paper-like scar tissue), from being too tight and strangulating areas like the intestines. This is not a common problem, but can be a tightness/discomfort for some, and sometimes slow down the bowls. She's had numerous surgeries in this area, and one of the benefits was that the doctor actually used the opportunity to cut away a lot of her previous adhesions, which was great. /edit: she elected this surgery because her periods had been brutal for years, and was no longer considering children (or able to have them). It has been a very positive decision.

Thanks for the response. Did your wife have the surgery by robotics?

Also how laid up was your wife after the surgery? One thing we are considering is do we wait until September to have the surgery. Or two children just got out of school for the summer and my wife is a stay at home Mom. So I am thinking it might be better to do the surgery after they are in school so for at least part of the day they are out of the house.
 

Miramonti

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Thanks for the response. Did your wife have the surgery by robotics?

Also how laid up was your wife after the surgery? One thing we are considering is do we wait until September to have the surgery. Or two children just got out of school for the summer and my wife is a stay at home Mom. So I am thinking it might be better to do the surgery after they are in school so for at least part of the day they are out of the house.

I'll ask her tonight and try to follow up tomorrow with more information.
 

LagunaX

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Laparoscopic assisted hysterectomy is the way to go.
Faster if they use a morcellator.
Not a big difference between regular laparoscopic vs. Robotic assisted laparoscopic hysterectomy.
They might need to do some pelvic floor repair too if it is part of the problem.
If they do, slip the Gyn some dough to make it a ''vaginal rejuvenation'' while they are at it

I'd recommend Mission or Hoag.
 
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interchange

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The uterus serves no biological function other than to bear children. If you do not remove the ovaries (I'm assuming this is the suggested approach), then there is no real disadvantage to not having a uterus (other than not being able to have a child). That being said, it is surgery and all surgeries have risks and potential complications, including death. To be honest, I think she is bound to have some surgery or another to correct this problem in the future.

Beyond that, surgical technique and experience are more important than anything. Is the plan laparoscopic? Open? How much experience does the surgeon have at this? Likely they do at least one every week. However, you do want someone who has a good reputation.
 

Beckalina

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While not in exactly the same boat, I thought I'd chime in with a female perspective about major abd surgery and recovery time. I was 25 when I had a 28 cm (~10 pound) tumor and right ovary removed.

I had an open procedure, vertical surgical incision with about 30 staples that stayed in for about 2.5 weeks after surgery. My doctor put me on lift restriction, I think I was limited to about 5 pounds for 6 weeks after surgery. Even though I was in pretty significant pain for about 3-4 days after the procedure, I felt so much better overall. I was out of work for 7 weeks, and it took about that long to have the surgical site fully healed.

Good luck to you both
 

interchange

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Wasn't the 'no biological function' nonsense used before by doctors for combination ovariectomy/hysterectomies as a prophylactic for cancer? Tonsilitis? While you are probably right, it makes me uneasy to hear that no-function paradigmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oophorectomy.

I'm not a medical historian so I can't really truthfully answer your question. For a post menopausal woman the statement is effectively true and about the only thing the organs can do is cause cancer. Whether or not prophylactic hysterectomy with oophorectomy is justified for post menopausal women is another question entirely. As I said there are risks to any surgery including death. You have to weigh the potential risks against the benedikt. We are doing a much better job these days of practicing evidence based medicine to guide us in our decisions. Unfortunately, there is precious little good evidence for many clinical decisions we make every day.

Of course, our best evidence based medicine bids us to start mammograms at 50 instead of 40 and to not do prostate cancer screening. And there has been quite a bit of negative lay press about this. You will be hard pressed to find physicians actually practicing based on these guidelines.
 

Miramonti

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After the laparoscopic surgery (1 cut in belly button, 2-3 cuts on sides), it took my wife 3-4 days before she could walk around, and about 2-3 weeks before leaving the house.

She also recommends having a small pillow after the surgery because when turning on her side, it felt like things were just going to fall out, lol. She felt better lightly pressing the pillow against her abdomen. But movement is important so that the adhesions don't become to binding in one area.
 

Brovane

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After the laparoscopic surgery (1 cut in belly button, 2-3 cuts on sides), it took my wife 3-4 days before she could walk around, and about 2-3 weeks before leaving the house.

She also recommends having a small pillow after the surgery because when turning on her side, it felt like things were just going to fall out, lol. She felt better lightly pressing the pillow against her abdomen. But movement is important so that the adhesions don't become to binding in one area.

Thanks for the information I appreciate it. This will give us some more information to work with. The next step is to schedule a appointment with the doctor that I can attend so we can all discuss it and figure out what needs to happen to move forward.
 

bononos

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I'm not a medical historian so I can't really truthfully answer your question. For a post menopausal woman the statement is effectively true and about the only thing the organs can do is cause cancer. Whether or not prophylactic hysterectomy with oophorectomy is justified for post menopausal women is another question entirely. As I said there are risks to any surgery including death. You have to weigh the potential risks against the benedikt. We are doing a much better job these days of practicing evidence based medicine to guide us in our decisions. Unfortunately, there is precious little good evidence for many clinical decisions we make every day.

Of course, our best evidence based medicine bids us to start mammograms at 50 instead of 40 and to not do prostate cancer screening. And there has been quite a bit of negative lay press about this. You will be hard pressed to find physicians actually practicing based on these guidelines.
It doesn't take a historian to figure out that there is something wrong with the medical profession in general. From the pressure cooker style of training medical students churn out doctors who are less humane and caring after their internship instead of the reverse to the problem of overtreatment in the industry. The public at large have the impression that doctors are totally guided by cold logic and rigorous science in all their patient consultations and would be surprised at all this talk of evidenced based methodology.

It wasn't too long ago that the whole paradigm of dousing post-menopausal women with estrogen (which seemed to have almost bulletproof backing from professional boards) finally got shot down due to shoddy science of all things. From Mississippi appendectomies, useless mammograms, unauthorized pelvic examinations and the estrogen scandal, I'm not surprised by your offhand language that the uterus is only good for cancer after a certain age. I think such attitudes will be considered irrational and unscientific (as much as calling for routine orchidectomy for men) in the future when the body of knowledge is better mapped out - like the recent mind-body-bowel connection and the duties of intestinal bacteria to their effects on moods.
 

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It doesn't take a historian to figure out that there is something wrong with the medical profession in general. From the pressure cooker style of training medical students churn out doctors who are less humane and caring after their internship instead of the reverse to the problem of overtreatment in the industry. The public at large have the impression that doctors are totally guided by cold logic and rigorous science in all their patient consultations and would be surprised at all this talk of evidenced based methodology.

It wasn't too long ago that the whole paradigm of dousing post-menopausal women with estrogen (which seemed to have almost bulletproof backing from professional boards) finally got shot down due to shoddy science of all things. From Mississippi appendectomies, useless mammograms, unauthorized pelvic examinations and the estrogen scandal, I'm not surprised by your offhand language that the uterus is only good for cancer after a certain age. I think such attitudes will be considered irrational and unscientific (as much as calling for routine orchidectomy for men) in the future when the body of knowledge is better mapped out - like the recent mind-body-bowel connection and the duties of intestinal bacteria to their effects on moods.

Apologies in advance for the total thread de-rail. Good luck to your wife, OP.

TL;DR: No guarantees in medicine or science. Live with it.

Medicine isnt perfect, but it has come pretty damn far in comparison to the old days. You cant go thru a single medical field without some clinical trial looking for better real-world evidence for doing whatever was postulated/theorized in someone's lab. If you were to demonize medicine for being misguided then why stop at estrogen? Why not humoral imbalances, blood letting, prophylactic radiation, thalidomide, or lobotomies? My point is that people need to realize that doctors are imperfect people trying to do their best with an incomplete picture of a very elegant system(NSFW) whose multiple criss-crossing interactions are currently still beyond the understanding of even our most advanced sciences. The "only thing" that separates a doc from every day people is they were selected on various factors to sit for at least 4 years learning (to the best of our knowledge) the anatomical/biochemical/physiologic basis for everything that goes wrong in humans and its detection/treatment. Theyre seasoned experts who are much like your guides on unfamiliar territory. You could even pick up a tour book/magazine and read the same medical literature, but at the end of day we all just have to sit down and come to a mutually satisfactory agreement on what to do or where to go with the explicit understanding that it's based on our current best evidence. Ill bet things will be much clearer again in hindsight.

While clinicians are taught to read the literature and know the evidence, they're also taught to not behave like robots and go strictly by the evidence. People are not numbers. There's a bell curve distribution across the population and no easy black/white or yes/no answers to some patients' problem(s) so what do those clinical trials tell docs to do with those difficult cases? Im sure there are docs who adhere to the evidence to varying degrees, but I wouldnt blame the profession for not treating medicine more like a science. If schizophrenia or Lupus were as predictable as the grignard reaction, dont you think the field of medicine would respond differently if it could?

The pressure cooker style of training medical students is far from ideal, but maintaining a competitive environment that challenges students to learn/process/analyze as much as possible in the short time alotted is important in a field whose enemy respects no notions of fairness or patience. If there was any one to blame for the lack of empathy in today's practicing docs, it would probably be the nimrod bean counters who continue trying to apply business models to medicine while continuing to profit over the cutbacks they make to both patients and physicians. 15 minutes is not enough time to deliver thorough and effective care, but in managed care theyre just looking for "good enough" IMO. This is what Americans are voting for by continuing to allow/pay for insurances to dictate care/practice in a field where insurance bureaucrats have little to no formal contact or training.
 

bononos

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You sound like you are totally unaware of how the medical industry works and how the direction of the science is being shunted by big pharma. What I was mostly irritated about was the familiar proverb of the uterus being good only for cancer, but the issue really goes furthur than nimrod bean counters messing things up.
 

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You sound like you are totally unaware of how the medical industry works and how the direction of the science is being shunted by big pharma. What I was mostly irritated about was the familiar proverb of the uterus being good only for cancer, but the issue really goes furthur than nimrod bean counters messing things up.

Apologies again for the diversion, OP. Uhm any updates?

Heh, the science of all industries(not just mine) will always be swayed by money. I may be idealistic, but im not delusional. Having said that, no one is denying medicine's sordid manipulation by big pharm in the past. Actually, it's commonly used as a 3rd year lesson in how easily things can get out of control when they pull a dump truck full of money up to your driveway. For now, all we can do is ban big pharm from academic hospitals, teach docs to think critically/skeptically when reading the evidence, and behave with a higher degree of integrity/ethics than your average joe.

I'd debate this further, but this is already derailing the OP's thread and you're clearly too cynical to consider docs being capable of independent thought that's separate from monied interests. Let's just agree to disagree.
 
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