Hyundai > Honda, Toyota

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: senseamp
Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

unfortunately, since CVTs are not based off of conventional planetary gearsets, the technology is not proven.

I've driven more crappy late model GM sedans than I care to count back, 4 speed autos suck no matter who makes them and no, GM sedan corporate mule motors do not have particularly more balls than any other make.

4 speeds is especially sucky because the response results in a digital sort of effect, either you're crusing around too slowly, or too much revs because it has to downshift a down a tall ass gear. There is no nice medium for brisk driving.

1500 rpm at 55 mph.
2k rpm at 65...

no nice medium?

 

[BatmanNate]

* > Honda

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: senseamp
Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

unfortunately, since CVTs are not based off of conventional planetary gearsets, the technology is not proven.

I've driven more crappy late model GM sedans than I care to count back, 4 speed autos suck no matter who makes them and no, GM sedan corporate mule motors do not have particularly more balls than any other make.

4 speeds is especially sucky because the response results in a digital sort of effect, either you're crusing around too slowly, or too much revs because it has to downshift a down a tall ass gear. There is no nice medium for brisk driving.

1500 rpm at 55 mph.
2k rpm at 65...

no nice medium?

it depends if you have a source/method to cite

 

[Pikachu]

They may win the daily double by selling me my first foreign car, AND first new car, if they ever release this little gem for a fair price.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: senseamp
Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

unfortunately, since CVTs are not based off of conventional planetary gearsets, the technology is not proven.

I've driven more crappy late model GM sedans than I care to count back, 4 speed autos suck no matter who makes them and no, GM sedan corporate mule motors do not have particularly more balls than any other make.

4 speeds is especially sucky because the response results in a digital sort of effect, either you're crusing around too slowly, or too much revs because it has to downshift a down a tall ass gear. There is no nice medium for brisk driving.

CVT is a proven technology. It's been in cars like Nissan Murano, and others for a number of years. But the point is more gears does not mean better transmission.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: senseamp
Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

unfortunately, since CVTs are not based off of conventional planetary gearsets, the technology is not proven.

I've driven more crappy late model GM sedans than I care to count back, 4 speed autos suck no matter who makes them and no, GM sedan corporate mule motors do not have particularly more balls than any other make.

4 speeds is especially sucky because the response results in a digital sort of effect, either you're crusing around too slowly, or too much revs because it has to downshift a down a tall ass gear. There is no nice medium for brisk driving.

1500 rpm at 55 mph.
2k rpm at 65...

no nice medium?

it depends if you have a source/method to cite

Why does he need a source/method to site, when you haven't.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: senseamp
Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

unfortunately, since CVTs are not based off of conventional planetary gearsets, the technology is not proven.

I've driven more crappy late model GM sedans than I care to count back, 4 speed autos suck no matter who makes them and no, GM sedan corporate mule motors do not have particularly more balls than any other make.

4 speeds is especially sucky because the response results in a digital sort of effect, either you're crusing around too slowly, or too much revs because it has to downshift a down a tall ass gear. There is no nice medium for brisk driving.

1500 rpm at 55 mph.
2k rpm at 65...

no nice medium?

it depends if you have a source/method to cite

i drive over an hour a day in a "crappy 4 spd"...

my source? my eyes.
my method? my foot.

 

[DainBramaged]

Just for the hell of it, I went and test drove an '06 Sonata tonight. I was completely impressed with the car. Amazing handling, impressive pickup for a four-door sedan. Had 15K miles on it. They were asking $21K. I told him this seemed a bit steep. He told me he was open to negotiation. I said, "Well, it would take a lot of negotiation to get that car to what I would see as a good deal." He then took me over to a brand new '06. After rebates, it was $19K on the nose. I couldn't believe it. $19K for a car like this is a steal! I felt like he was a bit shady about not telling me about it in the first place, but still. $19K for a fully loaded brand new Sonata. Jesus.

 

[thomsbrain]

unfortunately the korean V6 to japanese 4-cylinder comparo doesn't actually make sense, despite the similar prices. the reason is that while the V6 japanese models may cost more to begin with, they maintain their resale value so much better that any "value" advantage the hyundai had when new is squandered, AND you had to put up with an inferior car in the meantime. where it might almost make sense is in the used department, where you can enjoy the hyundai being WAY cheaper than a honda or toyota. but even then, do you want to pass up guaranteed 200,000+ mile cars for an unproven engine, especially on cars with unknown pasts?

edit: i will say that i have been impressed with the great strides hyundai has been making and i hope they continue to put pressure on the japanese. i also hope the latest sonata turns out to be a really reliable car, because then i'd feel much more comfortable buying one and not worrying about resale value. if you assume you're going to drive the car into the ground and that no car will be worth anything at that point, all that matters is how much it cost and how long it will last, not how much it was worth in the meantime.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Father Dain, you have sinned.

:headbutttochest;

- M4H

 

[Stuxnet]

Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

 

[imported_Skold]

Wot about the Tiburon? Is it decent? Anyone with experiences?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

I paid $21k out-the-door for my top of the line Sonata. Hyundai dealers are ready to haggle with price where Toyota and Honda dealers seem to think they're doing YOU a favor selling you one of their cars. What kind of brand new Camry could I get for $21k out the door?

Also, currently I'm getting 25MPG. I don't really know what my car is rated at, but my MPG has slowly been going up. When I first got it I was barely breaking 20MPG.

This is another reason I'm looking seriously at hyundai as well. The wife wants a corolla, but I know the toyota dealership isn't going to offer any serious incentives, budge much on price and will act like they're doing me a favor selling me the car. Plus, with all the recalls they've had lately and the rust problems we had with our prizm (corolla clone) I am beginning to think that toyota is just riding their old image as much as anything at this point. Their cars are more expensive even if I didn't try to haggle them down. And with that 10 year warentee, it really allows me to sidestep a lot of the potential risk. Hell, if toyota is so great where is their 10 year warentee?

 

[nole1fan]

I have rented Sonata V6, and it is fun to drive, and quality, finish are topnotch compare to my Ody 2005 Minivan.

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I won't be buying a hyundai, ever.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

That is exactly the condition the 50k 2003 Tiburon I was looking at was in.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Sorry but I would have no use for a hyundai space heater.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

actually they are becoming one of the more reliable cars to own.

but there is no use telling you or people like you. they got the idea that hyundai's are crap and not worth the money and that honda can do no wrong. heh

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

That is exactly the condition the 50k 2003 Tiburon I was looking at was in.

Seriously... before anyone buys a Hyundai, try finding someone who's had one for more than a year and see what they think.

Friends don't let friends buy a Hyundai.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

actually they are becoming one of the more reliable cars to own.

but there is no use telling you or people like you. they got the idea that hyundai's are crap and not worth the money and that honda can do no wrong. heh

Meh. Look at it this way...the less people who will even bother to test drive their cars, the less people jacking up the prices for the rest of us. Its my opinion that all cars are unreliable POS. AT least this one they'll pay for most of the stuff that breaks on it for 10 years instead of 5.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: falias

Originally posted by: j00fek
honda >*

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

That is exactly the condition the 50k 2003 Tiburon I was looking at was in.

Seriously... before anyone buys a Hyundai, try finding someone who's had one for more than a year and see what they think.

Friends don't let friends buy a Hyundai.

i know 2 people that own them. both of them are above 80k miles and no major trouble (just normel wear and tear).

i have read many reports that have them ranked very high. Times change and hyundai sure has. they are no longer the crappy paice of ****** that nobody wants.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

actually they are becoming one of the more reliable cars to own.

but there is no use telling you or people like you. they got the idea that hyundai's are crap and not worth the money and that honda can do no wrong. heh

Assume much, meathead?

I OWNED a damn Hyundai for several years, as did one of my neighbors. Exact same problems in BOTH cars...

And for the record, I've never owned a Honda.

Back to your hole.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Hyundai's are a bargain until around the 6 month mark when the suspension goes to hell, the A/C leaks uncontrollably, and the stereo shortcircuits.

That is exactly the condition the 50k 2003 Tiburon I was looking at was in.

Seriously... before anyone buys a Hyundai, try finding someone who's had one for more than a year and see what they think.

Friends don't let friends buy a Hyundai.

i know 2 people that own them. both of them are above 80k miles and no major trouble (just normel wear and tear).

i have read many reports that have them ranked very high. Times change and hyundai sure has. they are no longer the crappy paice of ****** that nobody wants.

80k miles is NOTHING. Talk to me when (IF) it hits 150k. 200k. Good luck.

I've had quite a few cars in my time, and NOTHING was a bigger piece of sh*t than my Hyundai, and NO ONE had as horrible customer service as Hyundai. Again, same goes for my neighbor.

Now you know 3 people who've had a Hyundai (four if you feel like including my neighbor).

Assume less. Listen more.

 

[Stuxnet]

... and another thing... trade-in values on Hyundai's are TERRIBLE. Why? Because everyone's buying them because they cheap, and then they turn to junk overnight.

You can't give used Hyundai's away.

Trust me. We tried.