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Koing

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Admittedly with 100 consecutive, my form start to fail. Like I said, with full lockout, chest to ground, maybe 60-70ish now on a good day, I don't test myself often. Most days I just practice my pushups after my lifting[which included bench presses], do like 4 sets of 70 crap ups as I call it.

I see.

lol @ 4sets of 70 crap ups!

Why not do less with better form?

Could never get far past ~50 on any of those programs, and believe me I tried for a long time. My muscles just don't have anything left in them after I reach that number (until I rest for around a minute).

Endurance has always been my biggest physical issue, though, regardless of what kind of exercise I'm doing.

Your geared towards power like me. The most I could ever do was 75 when I weighed about 77kg and hadn't trained for as many years. Now after 10yrs my muscles are very tuned for power and speed. Less so endurance so it'll take a huge effort to convert back over.

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I see. lol @ 4sets of 70 crap ups! Why not do less with better form?

The name of the game for me is quantity not quality at the moment. I find that as I increase my ability to do crap ups, I automatically increase my ability to do real pushups. My half assed pushups started at about 35 tops[in sets of 4], now I'm doing 70-75. Comparitively my real pushups was at about 20-25 when I started, now I can do 60+. Form isn't something I need to pratice on with pushups, it's not hard to get down so I practice endurance by forcing myself to do it in quantity... to train myself to do more with the burn.

Basically, if I practiced full lockout pushups, once lactic acid builds up, my form starts to fail anyway and I can't do good form pushups anymore... if I tried, I could force out 2-3 and fall flat on my chest as I try to push all the way up. With crap ups, once lactic acid builds up and I start feeling burn, I am still able to bang out 20-30 because I'm not using the full range of motion... I am more able to force them out through the pain. Then as I increase my crap ups from 35-70 and hopefully to 4 sets of 100 I can then test myself again with real ones. And if I am able to train myself to do 4 sets of 100 crap ups, surely I could do 1 set of 100 good ones. That's my logic. Make any sense?
 
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Basically, if I practiced full lockout pushups, once lactic acid builds up, my form starts to fail anyway and I can't do good form pushups anymore... if I tried, I could force out 2-3 and fall flat on my chest as I try to push all the way up. With crap ups, once lactic acid builds up and I start feeling burn, I am still able to bang out 20-30 because I'm not using the full range of motion... I am more able to force them out through the pain. Then as I increase my crap ups from 35-70 and hopefully to 4 sets of 100 I can then test myself again with real ones. And if I am able to train myself to do 4 sets of 100 crap ups, surely I could do 1 set of 100 good ones. That's my logic. Make any sense?

Wouldn´t it still be better to do "real" pushups and only switch to "crapups" if you aren´t able to do anymore?

I did a LOT of pushups a few years ago when i had no access to a gym or weights... I stalled at around 70-80 pushups.
Then i switched to inclined pushups (legs on a chair etc) and i did them very slow. sometimes i used a backpack filled with books as additional weight.
It was hard to work up to 40-50 of these, but after a few weeks it was much easier to do normal pushups. I finally managed to do 100 pushups (PR was 113).

So i would suggest to increase the difficulty of the pushups instead of lowering it, if you plan on doing 100 pushups.
Probably its a mental thing, because the "normal" pushups feel so much easier compared to the slow/inclined/weighted ones.

Nowadays i dont do pushups very often, because i switched to barbell/dumbbell exercises, but sometimes i let my 6 year old son ride on my shoulders while doing sets of ~30 pushups ^_^
 

darkxshade

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Wouldn&#180;t it still be better to do "real" pushups and only switch to "crapups" if you aren&#180;t able to do anymore?

I like to keep it simple... It's just easier to keep track of progress when you do 50 crap ups one day and 60 the next instead of say doing 30 real pushups + 20 crap ups one day and 35 real + 15 crap the next.
 
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I like to keep it simple... It's just easier to keep track of progress when you do 50 crap ups one day and 60 the next instead of say doing 30 real pushups + 20 crap ups one day and 35 real + 15 crap the next.

...Or you could just do 35 real pushups and stop when your form has wavered. Form is there for a reason - it typically prevents injury. Remember that.
 

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I don't think I'm going to injure myself with pushups... and the form isn't bad, just not "complete". They're basically just not full lockout. Also as I pointed out earlier, the purpose of doing that is to build up my tolerance to the burn which I am unable to do as efficiently with full lockouts.
 
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I don't think I'm going to injure myself with pushups... and the form isn't bad, just not "complete". They're basically just not full lockout. Also as I pointed out earlier, the purpose of doing that is to build up my tolerance to the burn which I am unable to do as efficiently with full lockouts.

I fucked my shoulder by doing pushups with bad form.
 
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I don't think I'm going to injure myself with pushups... and the form isn't bad, just not "complete". They're basically just not full lockout. Also as I pointed out earlier, the purpose of doing that is to build up my tolerance to the burn which I am unable to do as efficiently with full lockouts.

Incomplete ROM is bad form. You're not utilizing the entire length of the muscle because you aren't locking out fully. Your rotator cuff muscles may be limiting you and if you push past that, you actually increase your risk of injury. Did you know an efficient way to increase your lactate threshold ("the burn") is by doing workloads just slightly lower than what induces the burn? Feeling a burn does not signify anything other than the inhibition of recovery (due to acidity and resulting metabolites).
 

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I fucked my shoulder by doing pushups with bad form.

There are some things I don't mess with like squats, bench presses, etc where form is of the utmost importance and fucking up could mean a serious injury since I'm working under a heavy load. But pushups is a handicapped &#37; of bodyweight exercise for which I just don't see any likelihood of injury just because I'm not doing full lockout. That's not to say it can't happen but I could also say I can't get injured with perfect form either. Some women do pushups on their knees because they're not strong enough, are you going to tell them that they're going to hurt themselves because they're not doing a perfect form pushup? I've done many variations including doing only perfect form when I started and tweaked it as I went along to get better at them and I ended up with this because it worked for me. I'm sorry you hurt yourself doing pushups, it's unfortunate but just because it happened to you doesn't mean it's going to happen for me.

edit for SCs reply: I appreciate your input because I do respect your knowledge. You are probably right that I have a greater chance of injuring myself by not going the full ROM but it's a risk I'm willing to take because simply it's working. I could do 20 perfect form tops when I started, I can do about ~70 now and all of that was through training with quantity. You could say I could have reached the same goal practicing with perfect form instead but i've done that too and it didn't work out as well as with this.
 
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There are some things I don't mess with like squats, bench presses, etc where form is of the utmost importance and fucking up could mean a serious injury since I'm working under a heavy load. But pushups is a handicapped % of bodyweight exercise for which I just don't see any likelihood of injury just because I'm not doing full lockout. That's not to say it can't happen but I could also say I can't get injured with perfect form either. Some women do pushups on their knees because they're not strong enough, are you going to tell them that they're going to hurt themselves because they're not doing a perfect form pushup? I've done many variations including doing only perfect form when I started and tweaked it as I went along to get better at them and I ended up with this because it worked for me. I'm sorry you hurt yourself doing pushups, it's unfortunate but just because it happened to you doesn't mean it's going to happen for me.

edit for SCs reply: I appreciate your input because I do respect your knowledge. You are probably right that I have a greater chance of injuring myself by not going the full ROM but it's a risk I'm willing to take because simply it's working. I could do 20 perfect form tops when I started, I can do about ~70 now and all of that was through training with quantity. You could say I could have reached the same goal practicing with perfect form instead but i've done that too and it didn't work out as well as with this.

Question then: did you try doing the exact same program you're doing now with good form? Before, I bet you had a sporadic program that didn't utilize the reps and sets schemes from the hundredpushups.com manual. I believe you might be associated your gains inappropriately with bad for rather than the initiation of a structured program.

Also, squats and bench press are low risk lifts with good form. I have no idea where you got this idea that you are likely to cause serious injury to yourself. You are more likely to hurt yourself doing crappy formed pushups than relatively good formed squats. On top of that, women are just doing a substitution movement. It's like people lowering the weight on the bench press. If they are utilizing their upper body, going through a full ROM, and minding all other important form points, they will be doing the same movement, just at a lighter weight. The analogy doesn't quite apply right.
 

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Question then: did you try doing the exact same program you're doing now with good form? Before, I bet you had a sporadic program that didn't utilize the reps and sets schemes from the hundredpushups.com manual. I believe you might be associated your gains inappropriately with bad for rather than the initiation of a structured program.

I followed the website program intitially 3x/week but the problem was that I was doing this with what spare time I had left at the gym on my lifting days... I didn't wanted to do it first because I didn't want it to affect my lifts[specifically the bench pressing] so this was just a challenge I decided to take on after the lifts. I chose to throw it in there because I always had a bit of time left during my hour and didn't want to split it up into another session later in the day or do it on my off day from lifting. So already the bench pressing may have affected my ability to do them since I'm sort of working on "leftovers". I'm telling you this as a disclosure so that you could take that for what it is in determining what may or may not be the issue but I'm still doing that now[doing pushups after my lifts] with my current variation.

Anyway, it's so long ago so I can't remember when I stopped but I think I stuck with the websites program for a couple months doing their initial test and following their weekly program but it should be quite obvious now that I was lagging behind since the program is 6 weeks and I took about 8 and I repeated some weeks. The main problem was that the last set everytime was a test of max with the initial 4 sets a &#37; amount under your intital test. My initial test was like 21 but really it was like 19 if you count only the good ones. So week one I would do[looking at the website now] 14, 14, 10, 10, max[at least 15], except that wasn't the case, the last set I could do like 13 since I'm doing multiple sets and getting gassed whereas my intital test was just one set of what I could do tops. So I would do week 1 again until I could hit the min of 15 on my last set. After 2 months, I was by comparison still around the beginning of week 4 level. 21, 25, 21, 21, max[at least 32], I did 30 max.

It was then clear to me also that I was taking longer rests between sets and getting back to work later and later since I was beginning to go over an hour. One day by happenstance, the gym had a pushup challenge. The number to beat was 56 or something so I wasn't going to bother since I knew I couldn't. I was walking by as a trainer was about to begin the count for someone taking it on. He was doing half assed ones and the trainer was still counting them which was BS and he punched out 57 just to beat the record. I was like, fuck that, I can do that. I got in line and did like 72 which put me on the board[which someone beat later that day]. The burn felt different because I was still able to bang them out since I didn't have to lock out. So it just sorta clicked, the next week I decided to try something different, do 4x30's[non lockout] with no test of max on the last set and the goal was try to increase by 5/week and on occasion I would take a day off to test with perfect form pushups. The intial 2 sets were cake but the following 2 was where I struggled but I was able to complete. Some weeks I still repeat but now I'm doing 4x70-75 and as of the last test, I did about 68 full lockouts.



Also, squats and bench press are low risk lifts with good form. I have no idea where you got this idea that you are likely to cause serious injury to yourself. You are more likely to hurt yourself doing crappy formed pushups than relatively good formed squats. On top of that, women are just doing a substitution movement. It's like people lowering the weight on the bench press. If they are utilizing their upper body, going through a full ROM, and minding all other important form points, they will be doing the same movement, just at a lighter weight. The analogy doesn't quite apply right.


This is a different beast altogether... to me, an exercise under a load[barbell or what have you] is nothing to mess with so I do work with only good form[that is I don't take shortcuts and also why I suck at squats]. I know my analogy wasn't spot on but the point was that non full lockout pushups to me doesn't "feel" like it's injury prone when I do them... I'm not buckling at any point, I feel pretty solid doing them. If my body told me differently, then I wouldn't be defending my case here today.

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Gothgar

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Question then: did you try doing the exact same program you're doing now with good form? Before, I bet you had a sporadic program that didn't utilize the reps and sets schemes from the hundredpushups.com manual. I believe you might be associated your gains inappropriately with bad for rather than the initiation of a structured program.

Also, squats and bench press are low risk lifts with good form. I have no idea where you got this idea that you are likely to cause serious injury to yourself. You are more likely to hurt yourself doing crappy formed pushups than relatively good formed squats. On top of that, women are just doing a substitution movement. It's like people lowering the weight on the bench press. If they are utilizing their upper body, going through a full ROM, and minding all other important form points, they will be doing the same movement, just at a lighter weight. The analogy doesn't quite apply right.
A bad form squat is going to be a lot worse for you than a bad form push up though
 
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A bad form squat is going to be a lot worse for you than a bad form push up though

It depends on how big you are and how bad your pushup is compared to your squat. A squat with minimal form errors is usually not problematic. However, a pushup with bad form can result in tendonitis of the rotator cuff or triceps, potential impingement, or even a chronic inflammation through tendinosis or bursitis. Also, this is why I'm suggesting good form for all exercises. I don't teach people to do crappy squats or crappy pushups. Form is the most important aspect of preventing injuries. It has been established for the betterment of those completing the exercise. It's silly to disregard aspects that are helpful for health and total muscle utilization.
 
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To darkshade:

It wasn't the way you started doing pushups that improved your overall pushups number. That being said, not locking out does not work the muscle across the full ROM. That's just silly and less functional. I will never understand people who sacrifice form to do more reps. Do what you do. Just don't be surprised if you get some light injuries from pushups, which should not injure anybody.
 
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