I am Antifa but what they did in Durham was wrong

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ivwshane

Lifer
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BLM is one of the most racist groups of people today, and they tend to vote Democrat.

Also, you didn't actually bother making an argument. You instead just call people who disagree with you racist without providing a shred of evidence.

I would have normally sided with the Democrat party, but I don't support racism or communism.
Actual Nazi's have no power, except what SJW's give them.

By all means back up your allegations, let's see some hard facts that show BLM is one of the most racist groups of people.

How long shall we wait?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I can agree with that.

I think Georgia Stone Mountain Park should be the litmus test on what to do with these things. But even with that obviously KKK/Racist influenced gigantic piece of "Art", I would feel weird and violated about commissioning someone to blow it up.

Perhaps we should do this. Build giant dicks next to terrible things. Don't like that civil war soldier? Build a dick next to it. Don't like Stone Mountain? Draw dicks.

Maybe that's what we should do.

Moar Dicks!
 

senseamp

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How about the people of the cities decide what monuments they want on their land instead of the states requiring them to keep Jim Crow era monuments to traitors who put keeping slavery above America? Then you can make an argument on the historical value and importance of keeping monuments to Robert E. Lee to citizens of Durham, NC, instead of the Republican legislature kept in power through gerrymander and voter suppression shoving these statues down their throats. Until that happens, the citizens should keep doing what they need to do.
 

apokalipse

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No, following in the footsteps of the birther magnate to take a bullet for the nazis/klan makes you right wing.
It would be if I did that. You know that I don't, but you have to lie and say that I do in order to justify your cult ideology.

By all means back up your allegations, let's see some hard facts that show BLM is one of the most racist groups of people.
BLM activists can tweet all sorts of anti-white rhetoric without consequence:
https://occamsrazormag.wordpress.co...-white-tweets-from-blacklivesmatter-movement/
But if a white person said exactly the same thing against black people, they'd get banned in minutes:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/twitter-user-replaces-white-black-gets-banned

Every race has racist people, but there are far more black racists, because they are allowed to get away with it.

All racism is bad, but BLM thinks anti-white racism is perfectly OK.
Actually, it's even worse; they try to redefine the word "racism" to mean that black people can't be racist, in order to allow them to be racist without consequence.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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It would be if I did that. You know that I don't, but you have to lie and say that I do in order to justify your cult ideology.

BLM activists can tweet all sorts of anti-white rhetoric without consequence:
https://occamsrazormag.wordpress.co...-white-tweets-from-blacklivesmatter-movement/
But if a white person said exactly the same thing against black people, they'd get banned in minutes:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/twitter-user-replaces-white-black-gets-banned

Every race has racist people, but there are far more black racists, because they are allowed to get away with it.

All racism is bad, but BLM thinks anti-white racism is perfectly OK.
Actually, it's even worse; they try to redefine the word "racism" to mean that black people can't be racist, in order to allow them to be racist without consequence.

Lol! So let me get this straight; you are claiming BLM is racist because of tweets supposedly from BLM members said some deplorable stuff? Your other evidence is from a south African who said some other stupid stuff who belongs/founded a different organization?

A stupid mother fucker doesn't even begin to describe you!
 
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How about the people of the cities decide what monuments they want on their land instead of the states requiring them to keep Jim Crow era monuments to traitors who put keeping slavery above America? Then you can make an argument on the historical value and importance of keeping monuments to Robert E. Lee to citizens of Durham, NC, instead of the Republican legislature kept in power through gerrymander and voter suppression shoving these statues down their throats. Until that happens, the citizens should keep doing what they need to do.
Have you declared war on the ACLU yet? Going to protest in front of of their office for defending Nazis?
https://www.aclunc.org/about/chapters/berkeley-north-east-bay-chapter
 

agent00f

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It would be if I did that. You know that I don't, but you have to lie and say that I do in order to justify your cult ideology.

No, it's pretty easy to observe you & the other conservatives in the klan/nazi defense force doing their best to blame anything other than your buddies. The klan certainly approves:

David Duke‏ @DrDavidDuke
Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa

Have you declared war on the ACLU yet? Going to protest in front of of their office for defending Nazis?
https://www.aclunc.org/about/chapters/berkeley-north-east-bay-chapter

Always a laugh when nazi/klan defenders try to liken themselves to people with principles, like when our resident racists try to pretend they're the Real MLK or whatever.
 

werepossum

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Do you think a small group of locals should always be able to over rule the State and/or Federal laws? To criminally destroy something or someone regardless what the rule of law is?
As a small 'L' libertarian, I think government should be at the lowest level practical for a given issue (including self-governance) with higher levels being responsible for protecting rights and dealing with issues that are beyond the scope of lower levels. Thus an individual should have near-total autonomy until her actions begin to materially impact other people or their property, including property owned in common such as the environment. Above the individual sits city and county government, responsible for making and enforcing such laws as are required to protect each other from each other and for efficiently providing an environment conducive to production and liberty. Above city and county governments is the state government, responsible for policing city and county governments (protecting individuals' rights from city and county governments) as well as providing a similarly suitable environment at the state level, including necessary uniformity among cities and counties. (For instance, we wouldn't want something legal in one county to be a felony in the next.) And above the state governments sits the federal government, our ultimate guarantor of our rights and liberty in addition to handling nation issues such as national defense, trade regulation, immigration, etc. in accordance with our Constitution.

Under this ethos, I'd have no problem with a city or county deciding which statues are appropriate outside of state-owned lands or private lands and within minimum standards of public decency. I DO have an issue with the state overriding this decision outside of state-owned lands because their is no proximate reason for them to do so unless the city or county is infringing on someone's rights. If a city wishes to have statues of Robert E. Lee in full Confederate regalia mounting his horse in the city square, or if some individual wishes to have the same, I disagree that this is morally correct but I will respect their right to do so. But I don't believe that there is any individual right to have or not have Confederate monuments in the public square, so I believe that the state (and the federal government) should butt out unless and until an individual's rights are being infringed.
 

werepossum

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Saying it's "incredibly naive" is not an argument.

No, you don't get to say that anyone who isn't part of the communist ideology is "right wing", and you certainly don't get to tell me what my politics are. Only I can decide what my politics are.
But it is exactly this attitude from the likes of Antifa that is causing these problems. The Nazi's certainly couldn't have started this chaos on their own, because they never had the numbers for it.

I'm someone who would have voted Democrat before the victim culture of SJW's took hold. I support equal rights, I support gay marriage, I'm pro choice, I don't like a lot of the things the far right religious conservatives stand for. But now, SJW's have managed to become far worse than the conservative right. They've manufactured their own set of factually wrong ideals and instead of actually trying to make arguments to support them, treat anyone who disagrees with them like some sort of sub-human garbage. Just like the Nazi's did to Jews.

I'm less concerned about whether you decide to be offended as I am with saying what's true.

If your extremeist movement calls normal people "Nazi's" long enough, it is going to make some of them actually become Nazi's. That's not a "threat", that's an observation of what is.

Antifa is trying to gain power by blaming "Nazi's", and the tiny minority of actual Nazi's are now gaining power by pointing to the actions of Antifa. They're both bad ideologies, and they're both polarising people and trying to make people pick sides.

Don't lie, I did not lump all leftists together as "communists". I said Antifa is communist, because it is. And Antifa does not represent the entirety of the left, even though it pretends to.

And this is a part of the problem; Antifa is basically trying to pretend to have a monopoly on being "anti Nazi" in order to make people join their communist ideology.

Antifa's flag is literally the flag of the German communist party of 1932, and you see plenty of them openly waving around the red hammer and sickle flag.

It's weird that the media is all over it when a Nazi flag appears, but they're completely silent when communist flags appear. Why aren't they all over it in both cases?

The reason they're not all over it in both cases is because they're dishonestly covering up the extremism of Antifa, are trying to pretend that only the Nazi's are extreme, and trying to pretend they have much higher numbers than they actually do (Antifa is a much bigger group, which is why they're more dangerous).

Just look at some of the videos of what happened at the G20, for example. Random cars burned for no apparent reason, millions of dollars worth of property damage.

No, we would have Nazi's regardless, but if Antifa and BLM weren't crying wolf and causing chaos all the time they wouldn't dare come out into the open, or be able to opportunistically take advantage of the backlash to grow in numbers. They'd simply remain a tiny minority that everybody hates, with maybe a few thousand supporters total at most (more likely just in the hundreds).

Last I heard, the KKK had about 5000 members worldwide - in a population of 7 billion, or even the USA's population of ~300 million that's nothing. Though that number is probably higher now, and it's the fault of groups like Antifa.

Also, the people BLM are trying to defend aren't even innocent in the first place.
Well said. I'd only take issue with the last part - many if not most of the people BLM are trying to defend are indeed innocent, or at least not guilty of anything proportional to the response. I personally have no issue with someone selling individual cigarettes, but surely we can all agree that doing so should not be grounds for being choked to death, regardless of how we as individuals feel about tobacco.
 

werepossum

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I am against mobs taking down these statues when the entity whose land they are located on can do so through the democratic process. But Republican legislatures have recently explicitly passed laws banning cities and localities from removing these statues, leaving Lenin/Saddam/etc style takedowns as the only option. A situation where a city that is majority black and/or non-racist white is forced to host statues to people who fought to keep them as slaves, erected during Jim Crow to send a message is a far bigger evil to me than a mob taking these statues down.
Well said.
 

werepossum

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I can agree with that.

I think Georgia Stone Mountain Park should be the litmus test on what to do with these things. But even with that obviously KKK/Racist influenced gigantic piece of "Art", I would feel weird and violated about commissioning someone to blow it up.

Perhaps we should do this. Build giant dicks next to terrible things. Don't like that civil war soldier? Build a dick next to it. Don't like Stone Mountain? Draw dicks.

Maybe that's what we should do.
lol +1
Stone Mountain's a bit different since it's (a) not in the public square and (b) not moveable. I agree that they should not be destroyed.

Oddly, I've been to Stone Mountain National Park three times and never actually seen the statues/reliefs/carvings/whatever.
 

werepossum

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It would be if I did that. You know that I don't, but you have to lie and say that I do in order to justify your cult ideology.

BLM activists can tweet all sorts of anti-white rhetoric without consequence:
https://occamsrazormag.wordpress.co...-white-tweets-from-blacklivesmatter-movement/
But if a white person said exactly the same thing against black people, they'd get banned in minutes:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/twitter-user-replaces-white-black-gets-banned

Every race has racist people, but there are far more black racists, because they are allowed to get away with it.

All racism is bad, but BLM thinks anti-white racism is perfectly OK.
Actually, it's even worse; they try to redefine the word "racism" to mean that black people can't be racist, in order to allow them to be racist without consequence.
Point of order: Being racist and being able to safely express racism are two completely different things, so an inability to publicly express racism without consequences does not necessarily mean one is not racist. I'm not a huge fan of the BLM movement, but there is a reason why fewer white people express racist ideas and that reason is a common recognition that racism within a majority population is much more dangerous than equivalent racism among a minority population. At least within a democracy or democratic republic, the majority has much more power and thus much more capacity to accomplish evil, so things which cannot be tolerated in the majority can be safely ignored with a minority. Hitler for instance wouldn't have been much threat with his Aryan master race philosophy had he been in, say, Brazil or Japan.
 

Puffnstuff

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Mar 9, 2005
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Hell, Hillary Clinton called the right wingnuts a literal "basket of deplorables" and they got so incensed, they started wearing that badge with pride and became a basket of deplorables! Seriously, these are some of the groups that banded together for "Unite the Right" in C-Ville:

The Daily Stormer forums (Nazis)
The Right Stuff forums (kek troll supremacists)
The Nationalist Front (Nazis)
the neo-Confederate League of the South (Southern white nationalists)
the Traditionalist Workers Party (Nazis)
Vanguard America (white supremacists)
National Socialist Movement (Nazis)
Ku Klux Klan (duh)
Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights (Klan)
the 3 Percenters (anti-government supremacist militia, aka gun nuts)
Identity Evropa (white nationalists)
the Oath Keepers (gun nuts)
the Detroit Right Wings (wtf lol)
Anti-Communist Action (Nazis)
The Traditionalist Workers Party is at it again this time at the University of Tennessee covering up black history month flyers with their own.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/univer...istory-month-posters-hitler-matthew-heimbach/
 
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justoh

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Every race has racist people, but there are far more black racists, because they are allowed to get away with it.

All racism is bad, but BLM thinks anti-white racism is perfectly OK.
Actually, it's even worse; they try to redefine the word "racism" to mean that black people can't be racist, in order to allow them to be racist without consequence.

When did anyone from BLM assert that whites are inherently inferior to blacks? More generally, while I'm sure one or two have, I can't think of any black person ever making such a claim. The problem is that like most people you don't understand the meaning of the word.
 
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