Did you support the toppling of Saddam's statue in Baghdad? Do you want to tell them they should put it back up again?
Gotta love Antifa folks... fighting fascism... with fascism. Whudda thunk it?
That said, I'll never stand by a side that supports bringing down statutes. They are for historical purposes - and nothing more. The argument of "It should be in a museum" (which is often used for the confederate flag) is complete bullshit. There is nothing that says history has one location and it's a museum.
Did you support the toppling of Saddam's statue in Baghdad?
lol. Were you weeping when they took down the statue of Saddam Hussein?
They are monuments. constructed 60 years after the civil war. Someone pointed out on Twitter it's as if the Germans built statues of Hitler in 2004.
On 16 March 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja was attacked with a mix of mustard gas and nerve agents, killing 5,000 civilians, and maiming, disfiguring, or seriously debilitating 10,000 more. (see Halabja poison gas attack)[64] The attack occurred in conjunction with the 1988 al-Anfal Campaign designed to reassert central control of the mostly Kurdish population of areas of northern Iraq and defeat the Kurdish peshmerga rebel forces. The United States now maintains that Saddam ordered the attack to terrorize the Kurdish population in northern Iraq,[64]
Is there a reason why you guys chose toppling the statue of Saddam Hussein or Hitler? It's not equal in the slightest.
You're comparing confederate army generals to the likes of fascist dictators that were attempting to kill in mass. One is a ruler/fuhrer hell bent on oppressing people, taking over the world, and mass extinction of certain types of people. That is QUITE a bit of a stretch from disagreements in national policy that erupted in a Civil War. Equating the two is asinine to the 10th degree.
Or do you equate commanding an army as a general to things like this?
Or do you equate commanding an army as a general to things like this?
Expert in terrorism, and guerilla warfare?Uhh, do you know who Nathan Bedford Forrest was?
I can't believe in this day and age in America people are dying over statues.
I can't think of a single memorial in the entire united states that to me would be worth the level of debate, angst, and bloodshed that has been spent on this confederacy relic issue.
If a large group of people tomorrow rose up and said they wanted the lincoln memorial gone, I'd ask a few questions but I don't think I'd be marching in the streets or passing laws restricting their ability to get rid of the lincoln memorial. It's just a statue that represents an idea. You'd think to these people the idea is more important than the brick and mortar.
I think they are fairly the same. Imagine what the world would look like if the south had won in terms of repression of dark skinned people? Not too dissimilar from a world in which the Nazis had won I would say.Is there a reason why you guys chose toppling the statue of Saddam Hussein or Hitler? It's not equal in the slightest.
You're comparing confederate army generals to the likes of fascist dictators that were attempting to kill in mass. One is a ruler/fuhrer hell bent on oppressing people, taking over the world, and mass extinction of certain types of people. That is QUITE a bit of a stretch from disagreements in national policy that erupted in a Civil War.
A candidate seeking to become the nation's first female African-American governor is calling for the removal of a giant granite carving in Georgia depicting three Confederate war leaders.
News outlets report Democratic front-runner for governor Stacey Abrams posted several tweets Tuesday saying the carving at the tourist attraction Stone Mountain Park and other Confederate statues and monuments around the state should be removed. One tweet read, "We must never celebrate those who defend slavery and tried to destroy the union."
Removing the faces of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson would require a change in state law. The Georgia code says the carving shall be "protected for all time as a tribute to the bravery and heroism of the citizens of this state who suffered and died in their cause."
What does the antifa violent leftist think about this?
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/march-google-atlanta-other-cities-called-off/DYmJK7jmkbqH7fO9oKNudN/
Nothing like an fascist/authoritarian leftist stifling freedom and free speech by threatening violence.
What does the antifa violent leftist think about this?
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/march-google-atlanta-other-cities-called-off/DYmJK7jmkbqH7fO9oKNudN/
Nothing like an fascist/authoritarian leftist stifling freedom and free speech by threatening violence.
Some credibility issues here...Like whether the marches were actually going to happen in the first place? Have any law enforcement agencies corroborated "alt-left threats" to this group?What does the antifa violent leftist think about this?
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/march-google-atlanta-other-cities-called-off/DYmJK7jmkbqH7fO9oKNudN/
Nothing like an fascist/authoritarian leftist stifling freedom and free speech by threatening violence.
Not sure, I also read a Washington Post article and a Daily Caller article on the subject. I hate the fact I have to check, counter-check and then re-check news articles.Some credibility issues here...Like whether the marches were actually going to happen in the first place? Have any law enforcement agencies corroborated "alt-left threats" to this group?
Hmm, Stone Mountain... Isn't that where the modern Klan (20th century) was resurrected???Just wait for the shitstorm this causes:
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/georgia-governor-candidate-confederate-carving-49246806
I doubt it will happen. IMO, all this will do is keep her from getting elected...but I've been wrong before when considering the actions of large groups of people.
Just wait for the shitstorm this causes:
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/georgia-governor-candidate-confederate-carving-49246806
I doubt it will happen. IMO, all this will do is keep her from getting elected
You're the one that advocates violence against political opponents on a routine basis.Quick! Over there! Ignore the actual Nazis marching in your streets!
What does the antifa violent leftist think about this?
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/march-google-atlanta-other-cities-called-off/DYmJK7jmkbqH7fO9oKNudN/
Nothing like an fascist/authoritarian leftist stifling freedom and free speech by threatening violence.
You're the one that advocates violence against political opponents on a routine basis.
Remember the halcyon days of two days ago, when the media completely ignored violent leftist thugs? I doubt they're too happy about this turn of events
You're the one that advocates violence against political opponents on a routine basis.
is "political opponent" the talking point memo for Nazis? This isn't about political opponents you fucking moron--
Sure it is. And also about the idiot left's inability to respond to speech they find abhorrent with anything other than violence.
Nope, I don't understand. I need you to define what a Nazi is in 21st century political terms. Are all conservatives Nazis to you ? All Republicans? How about Libertarians? Is it just someone you don't like and disagree with politically?is "political opponent" the talking point memo for Nazis? This isn't about political opponents you fucking moron--and yeah, I saw a pizza-faced asshole on Newshour the other day defining the hatred for Nazis as "political opponents."
I oppose Nazis. Do you understand?
Nope, I don't understand. I need you to define what a Nazi is in 21st century political terms. Are all conservatives Nazis to you ? All Republicans? How about Libertarians? Is it just someone you don't like and disagree with politically?
The 8 groups marching on Charlottesville were all pretty much modern day Nazis. Do you have an alternative opinion?
Well said and interesting, thanks for your perspective.I wish I could be comfortable and strong in my religious beliefs that I could be like those pastors whom the nationalists confronted in Virginia. I wish I could go into the coliseum of old Rome and sing hymns while the lions ate me. But I can't. I have a black spot on my soul from choosing to match violence with violence. I cannot stand by and give "thoughts and prayers" on Facebook to a group of people getting their heads bashed by nazis. I fight back; I always have and I really wish, but I can't, change in the future. Fascism is a very easy thing to slip into and especially as one gets older and has certain expectations of their life and how the world should work. Actually any "-ism" should be met with speculation and concern when the actions or the results mean one group of people must be the scapegoat for the issues being addressed. But fascism...it breaks my heart to see family members turn to it and not see it at all.
That said, a small group of people decided that something bugged them and they felt the current system of laws were not sufficient to address their anger. So as a mob, they put a rope around the object and decided to pronounce their own justice. Sounds exactly like a lynch mob. But you see, people I consider to be thoughtful, caring people were there or cheering them on from afar. But they are wrong, it is like that spectre of fascism that lurks under the veneer of polite civility or the ones who speak about injustice. Also, the Durham city police were ineffectual and totally worthless, claiming the act was on county and not city grounds.
So now there are those who try to call me fascist or saying I'm selling out to the man, because I'm telling them they are wrong. I suspect the most vociferous ones are feeling the heat for realizing they are acting out exactly like the ones they say they are against. It smarts to be called out, right, but you aren't going to back down and apologize because its already done and you actually felt a little thrill being an anarchist while doing so. But that makes you no better than the people you rail against. So calling me names and threatening me shows me you too are a coward in your beliefs.
Here is my point I tell them in parting. Because of what you did, and the lack of response from the police, what is to stop a person from going to a county library, taking all the LGBT books from the children and young adult sections and then setting them on fire outside? It is exactly the same because you are not taking responsibility for your actions which are illegal.
The sad, shake my head thing about this in Durham? The statue was a generic soldier, not anyone in particular, commemorating the men who died in the civil war. This wasn't PT Beauregard, Lee, or Stonewall Jackson. Nope, this was just one of the many, many people who died in the war. North Carolina and Virginia are believed to have lost the most in the war. While they say 25% of the population of the US died in the war, NC carried a an extremely heavy burden losing an estimated 40% of the male population.
Did these men die because they wanted to keep their slaves? Did they die because they felt superior to everyone else? No, most likely they were sold on the horror stories from the wealthy and the politicians who did not want their wealth or political clout diminished. They heard not only about the black man coming to kill them and rape their women, but also the heartless, faithless northerners who will come down to destroy them because they can. No, most likely they fought for the south because they felt like they were defending their land (if they had any), most importantly their families from even worse depredation than their life was now. So when these people decided that statue could not be tolerated any more, there was no city-wide discussion of removing it or perhaps changing the environment, there was only a mob with a noose. So the nameless representation of the common man who fought for a lie and lost so, so much now loses again.
I am antifa but those in Durham, you are anarchists and wrong.