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Jacky60

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If you refuse to increase you vcore than you should forget about overclocking-its THE most important bit. Max vcore on that cpu is 1.55v YES 1.55v not 1.45, not 1.4, certainly NOT 1.25. You're p..sing into the wind trying to overclock the cpu without giving it the juice to get there. My i7 920 is at 1.42 volts still way below the 1.55 Intel max and below the rather arbitrary 1.45v maximum many people believe is the max with no foundation. Yes SOME i7's will do massive overclocks at stock voltage BUT they are the exception. Just try 1.4v vcore and 1.35 vtt/qpi. vtt/qpi is the max at 1.35 but you could easily pump 1.45vcore through that cpu and still be in spec. Also do relax memory timings and tighten them up when you have a stable overclock (which will be never if you don't increase your vcore sometime soon).
 
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nvidiaintelftw

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If you refuse to increase you vcore than you should forget about overclocking-its THE most important bit. Max vcore on that cpu is 1.55v YES 1.55v not 1.45, not 1.4, certainly NOT 1.25. You're p..sing into the wind trying to overclock the cpu without giving it the juice to get there. My i7 920 is at 1.42 volts still way below the 1.55 Intel max and below the rather arbitrary 1.45v maximum many people believe is the max with no foundation. Yes SOME i7's will do massive overclocks at stock voltage BUT they are the exception. Just try 1.4v vcore and 1.35 vtt/qpi. vtt/qpi is the max at 1.35 but you could easily pump 1.45vcore through that cpu and still be in spec. Also do relax memory timings and tighten them up when you have a stable overclock (which will be never if you don't increase your vcore sometime soon).

Well when i first build this rig about 2 years ago i could do 4.0ghz at 1.26v
 

Exeodus

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Are you overclocking any other parts of your system, like the video card? Unstable video card clocks can cause the same type of issues.

Are you using a quality power supply?
 

john3850

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so right now heres what i have

BCLK:133 increase till crash then more vcore

Multi:20
Turbo Mode: Off
QPI Freq:4800 {To high close to uncore}
memory:1600 6-8-6-20 timings 7,8,7,24

Voltages

Vcore:stock 1.25v {To low 1.32v min}
VTT: +0mV (1.0v)
QPI PLL: 1.1v
Vdimm: 1.6v {1.5}
IOH: 1.12v stock

Turbo off
EIST off
C1E off

a Raise vcore
b Find your highest BCLK 200-212
test etc
 

john3850

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bclk 200-202
Multiplier = 21
PCI_E = 103
Ram = 800.6 7-8-7-24
DRAM Voltage = 1.489
CPU PLL = 1.88 - 1.90
vcore 1.312 - cpuz
bios vcore 1.30-1.32
VTT Offset = 1.270v
Uncore x18-3600
Qpi x18-3600
IOH 1.26-1.34
V-Core – Directly related to the CPU frequency. As you

increase the CPU frequency you would need incrementally

increase the v-core as well.

QPI voltage/CPU Vtt – Increase in this voltage is

necessary from the default as you increase your RAM

speed, tighten the timings or increase QPI frequency. It

also helps to stabilize your overclock at higher base

clocks.

VDIMM/DRAM – This is directly related to your RAM memory

modules and increase will assist in stabilizing increase

in Ram speeds. Care should be taken not to increase this

voltage more that 0.5 volts above your Vtt as you could

cause permanent damage to your CPU.

IOH Core Voltage- This voltage aids when increasing base

clocks above say 200. In most cases leaving it at auto

works best.

ICH Core Voltage- This voltage feeds the chip that

regulates the communication from the peripherals to the

CPU via the DMI. It is best to set this at auto.

qpi/dram = VTT IOH = north bridge ICH = south bridge
 

nvidiaintelftw

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so i do add more vcore? as i go up in BCLK. i thought VTT did all that voltage stuff for higher BCLK but i guess not?
 
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bryanW1995

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i want to try what bryan is talking about, seems to make a lot of sense to me

What I typed was a synopsis from the nehalem overclocking guide that used to be stickied to this forum. I don't know who wrote it, but he was a lot more experienced at this sort of thing than most of us. I normally don't bother with it, but I had so much trouble getting a good, stable, long-term 4 + ghz on my i7 920 do that I decided to try it on my 3rd attempt and I got to 4.2 for ~ 3 wks last summer before the ole' ball and chain complained about the heat/noise. It's definitely not the ONLY way to go, but it's definitely the best that I've seen.
 

nvidiaintelftw

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im thinking about just trying 20x200 again with 1.34v core 1.2 VTT and the lowest memory clock i can do and see what happens
 

bryanW1995

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so right now heres what i have

BCLK:133
Multi:20
Turbo Mode: Off
QPI Freq:4800
memory:1600 6-8-6-20 timings

Voltages

Vcore:stock 1.25v
VTT: +0mV (1.0v)
QPI PLL: 1.1v
Vdimm: 1.6v
IOH: 1.12v


So i should drop the Memory to the lest it can go and then lower the CPU multi the lowest itll go to but click the BCLK to find the max BCLK but still at stock 2.6GHZ, then once i find that(is booting and seeing if itll run int windows be good or should i do like 15 runs on LinX?) increase the multi till i get to a desired clock or till temps hold me back. then last thing would be memory stuff??

Normally I go for bclk first, but I think that your memory needs particular focus before we move on. Be very cautious of settings that are that aggressive, ddr3 1600 @ 6-8-6-20 @ 1.6v is really just memory that was overclocked using higher voltages, but even so that is VERY aggressive. It's good to verify that it works at the posted numbers, but is that what spd says? It's easy to check spd in cpu-z, just check it out and make sure that you got the correct memory. Assuming this is the case, then you need to make a boot disk of memtest on a thumb drive and set your bios to boot there. Go here for memtest86+. and click on: Download - Auto-installer for USB Key (Win 9x/2k/xp/7) . Run 20 passes or so, it will take quite a while. Assuming you pass this then your memory is stable and we can proceed to part 2.

Part 2: Now we'll go attack bclk. As I stated earlier, drop your multiplier down as low as you can and put all voltages down to stock. You can even change qpi back to 6400, but I'd just leave it at 4800 now since you're going to end up over 7000 once all's said and done anyway. My board has tons of settings that I only have a limited understanding of, I have two separate dividers for qpi for example, clock skew, performance settings, etc etc. I'll need to look at screen shots from all your bios overclocking sub-screens to see what you have so that I can compare it with my settings, but generally speaking I set everything at this stage to the most relaxed settings I can because I know that I'm going for a 50% + bclk overclock. Ok, once you've done as much as you feel comfortable messing with, start with 150 bclk and jump up in increments of 10. I think I can get to 180 with everything stock before I have to start changing, but every board/cpu is different. Once you start getting issues then start to crank up the QPI DLL voltage. This could be the only voltage that you have to change for max bclk, it's all that I did at least. Once you get a boot issue, windows freeze, bsod, etc and have to start increasing qpi dll voltage then it's a good timet to start stress testing with the higher voltages. I like linx and seti@home, though many people seem to favor IBT these days and OCCP is always good as well. Just make sure that you don't have cpu-z up at the same time as OCCP. Regardless, I will normally just go 5-10 minutes at lower bclk settings just to make sure there's nothing crazy going on. Once you get to 190 or so, however, you need to test for an hour or two, and especially if you're going for 205+ you need to test overnight. With your mobo and a d0 i7 920 I'd shoot for around 210, that would get you 4.2 iwith the 20 multiplier and is almost certainly as high as anyone on air would go for 24/7 use.

Step 3: If you've put in the time/effort on steps 1 & 2, this is by far the easiest. Just plug in your stable multi/dram settings with a very low multiplier to keep it around stock speed (say 13x200 for starters or whatever) and keep rebooting without changing anything until you get a freeze/bluescreen/etc. Again, this varies by system but with my rig I can get 20x180 without changing anything at all, or 18x200 if I've already dialed in my bclk overclocked settings. Going in steps of 200 mhz or so, you'll find that either at 18x200 or 19x200 you've got to start adding vcore or cpu vtt usually. However, from what you wrote earlier you might be able to boot to windows at 20x200 or 19x210 without issue. Regardless, if you haven't experienced any issues by the time you get to 4ghz you need to do some long term stress testing. I'd shoot for at least an hour at this poitn. If you're at 19x210 and you want 20x210 or, say, 20x205, then just repeat the same step. Once you have passed an hour with your preferred OC stress testing method, then throw a bunch of hardcore games, I personally like crysis (original) demo and 3d mark 11, but choose whatever you like here. If everything seems to work well, put it back on the stress testing program overnight (8 hrs minimum). If it hasn't overheated/blown up/etc by this point then you're stable.

Regarding temps, many people freak out at higher temps. Personally, I don't care as long as it runs stable and it's not throttling. When I was at 4.2 last summer I actually got over 90c on one of my cores several times during stress testing, but it ran everything I threw at it stably for 3 wks with no hiccups/throttling/etc. Usually when you get that hot something else will also get too hot and cause issues, but I had 5 fans on high in my antec 900 cases and apparently the system got enough airflow that there weren't any problems.
 

bryanW1995

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well that did nothing setting the dram freq at 1200 made it so it wont post, this is retarded!

It's not retarded, your bios just has too many settings for most non-hardcore LN overclockers. PM me later and I will walk you through it. You have to fiddle with the memory dividers to get your "best" memory settings dialed in. These days it's best to go for the max cpu overclock and fit the memory settings as well as possible afterwards.

For example, say that you are able to dial in your settings as 1600 6-8-6-20 1.6v as you mentioned earlier. If you have to end up at 1500 instead then you could try for, say 5-7-6-19 1.6v or whatever, you just have to fine-tune your memory settings using step one. That's the reason that you normally do memory testing later, the only reason I told you to do it earlier was that I was concerned that your memory might not be playing nice with the board and, if that's the case, it's better to find out now instead of after a couple of days of hardcore overclocking.
 
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john3850

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VTT voltage is only related to memoy stuff and will not help you raise you cpu oc speed.
By using more vtt say 1.41v you can raise your uncore L3 to run at 4100 or as fast or faster then you cpu speed cool for superpi.
Your vcore is only related to your cpu speed.
Raising vcore will not help you memory
 
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nvidiaintelftw

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VTT voltage is only related to memoy stuff and will not help you raise you cpu oc speed.
By using more vtt say 1.41v your uncore L3 will run at 4100 or as fast or faster then you cpu speed cool for superpi.
Your vcore is only related to your cpu speed.
Raising vcore will not help you memory


oh i thought VTT was like hte voltage for the FSB like it was for LGA775 overclocking
 

bryanW1995

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VTT voltage is only related to memoy stuff and will not help you raise you cpu oc speed.
By using more vtt say 1.41v your uncore L3 will run at 4100 or as fast or faster then you cpu speed cool for superpi.
Your vcore is only related to your cpu speed.
Raising vcore will not help you memory

HUH??? that is absolutely incorrect.
 

john3850

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HUH??? that is absolutely incorrect.

You want to run memory intense benchmark.
The faster your L3 the better the score will be.
In order to run a high uncore you do need more VTT voltage then normal.
Now at 1.27vtt will not get to the 4100 on your L3 so you up vtt voltage.
 
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john3850

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Increased core speeds are related to more vcore volts.
Increased L3 speeds are related to more vtt volts.

Now when I run superpi changing the memory speed has had little effect because the info is the L3 cache not memory.
When I speed up my L3 my superpi scores go up.
 
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bryanW1995

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Well, I guess that it was partially correct. In a locked cpu you need more VTT to get a decent bclk, but in a K-series you don't.
 

nvidiaintelftw

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Increased core speeds are related to more vcore volts.
Increased L3 speeds are related to more vtt volts.

Now when I run superpi changing the memory speed has had little effect because the info is the L3 cache not memory.
When I speed up my L3 my superpi scores go up.

at this point i have 0 care for a superpi score? and whats with L3 cache talk? You talking about the Uncore Freq.?

The BCLK is LGA1336 CPUs FSB, and with the FSB/BCLK the VTT voltage helps with achieving said BCLK numbers just like during LGA775 overclocking you have a high FSB like 500 your going to have to crank on the VTT voltage.
 

nvidiaintelftw

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So i tried 3.8GHZ today

190x20
Vcore:1.3v
VTT:+150mV
QPI PLL: 1.35
DRAM: 1.6v at 1500 9 9 9 30

WIth that setup it last not even a minute at the desktop. This has got to be a memory issue or something cuz when i had corsair xms3 i could do 4.0ghz at 1.28v, +75mV on the VTT 1.65v on the DRAM and AUTO set on the QPi PLL and ram at 1600 at 8 8 8 24. Since this ram has quite a bit better specs i dont think its my ram holding me back i think its to good of ram causing my weak IMC on my 920 to flip shit
 

Shmee

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what is your uncore multi set at? should be about 2(memory multiplier) +1.
 
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