I am not impressed with my Nvidia GTX 970

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IllogicalGlory

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Nobody would buy a 290X for $549 anymore. But yet you have people here who are hyping this card as a better card than the GTX970 at $329.

AMD cards are not better. They got price reduced to a point where people would buy then again.
It was priced at $549 when it competed with 780 Ti. For nearly all of the 970's lifespan, it was the same price or cheaper. MSRP is totally irrelevant.

That or the 780 at $650 is the biggest joke in the world.
 

Azix

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It was priced at $549 when it competed with 780 Ti. For nearly all of the 970's lifespan, it was the same price or cheaper. MSRP is totally irrelevant.

That or the 780 at $650 is the biggest joke in the world.

if something similar happens with the 970 and 980 its going to be hilarious.
 

provost

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If? more like when… in about 3 -4 months, give or take
Here, I challenge Nvidia to prove me wrong, and serve its customers right for a change by not dropping optimizations for Maxwell when it releases Pascal. Although I will not benefit from it, since I have moved on to a better GPU solution for ME (From quad OG Titans to a single Fury), hope the others gain from Kepler owners’ experience, and a possible remedy, may be ……
 

tential

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If? more like when… in about 3 -4 months, give or take
Here, I challenge Nvidia to prove me wrong, and serve its customers right for a change by not dropping optimizations for Maxwell when it releases Pascal. Although I will not benefit from it, since I have moved on to a better GPU solution for ME (From quad OG Titans to a single Fury), hope the others gain from Kepler owners’ experience, and a possible remedy, may be ……
They're already proving you right. The 390 matches the 980 in fallout 4 latest patch and rise of tomb raider latest patch.
I'm already worried for maxwell owners. I was already going amd because of freesync but if maxwell performance tanks I will not recommend nvidia cards anymore either.
 

amenx

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Tbh, I doubt NV can withstand the 'fallout' of another kepler debacle with maxwell. Doubt they are that stupid. Their customer base would abandon them in droves. Once is forgiveable, but establishing a pattern then thats business harakiri.
 

sontin

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It was priced at $549 when it competed with 780 Ti. For nearly all of the 970's lifespan, it was the same price or cheaper. MSRP is totally irrelevant.

That or the 780 at $650 is the biggest joke in the world.

It was a $549 card which needed a $200 price cut to be still competitive. Nobody cared about these cards anymore after the GTX970 and GTX980 were launched.
 

provost

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They're already proving you right. The 390 matches the 980 in fallout 4 latest patch and rise of tomb raider latest patch.
I'm already worried for maxwell owners. I was already going amd because of freesync but if maxwell performance tanks I will not recommend nvidia cards anymore either.

For real? If true, then Nvidia has managed to compress a very expensive GPU rental period and make it even shorter. Since I personally don't have a dog in the Maxwell fight (I am a Kepler owner with 4 Titans in a NV shame drawer, and 2 other Keplers doing light duty), I will let someone else fight this one, but surely this has to be discouraging not just for Maxwell owners, but also for anyone who gives a darn about GPUs.......
 

tential

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For real? If true, then Nvidia has managed to compress a very expensive GPU rental period and make it even shorter. Since I personally don't have a dog in the Maxwell fight (I am a Kepler owner with 4 Titans in a NV shame drawer, and 2 other Keplers doing light duty), I will let someone else fight this one, but surely this has to be discouraging not just for Maxwell owners, but also for anyone who gives a darn about GPUs.......




But this is the one that particularly gets me
Lower Preset and STILL lower FPS.


Again, it's early, but I don't trust Nvidia right now.
 

provost

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Again, it's early, but I don't trust Nvidia right now.


I was tied up with some other stuff, but just looked up that chart you linked on Maximum PC, I guess you were summarizing what Maximum PC stated here:


http://www.maximumpc.com/fallout-4-graphics-revisited-patch-13/


"What's interesting is how far the gap has narrowed between AMD and Nvidia GPUs. Where the 980 Ti and 980 used to hold double-digit percentage leads over the Fury X and 390, with the patch and updated drivers the cards are now running basically tied (4–6 percent leads for Nvidia, but AMD has better 97 percentile results now). The 970 was also more or less tied with the 390 before, but now the 390 holds a sizeable 12 percent advantage. It's just unfortunate it took a couple of weeks after launch to narrow the gap. We could point out how badly AMD dominates Nvidia at the $200 market, though with sub-20 fps results we'll save that for below......."
"All of the GPUs we tested remain "playable" (meaning, higher than 30 fps averages), though interestingly it's Nvidia that appears to have more stuttering and low frame rates now."....

I am not day zero gamer anyway with all the glitchy bugs and all, so may be waiting a while isn't a big deal... besides I already bought this game on a peasant platform, console... lol .. may try it on pc too, may be....
 
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tential

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I was tied up with some other stuff, but just looked up that chart you linked on Maximum PC, I guess you were summarizing what Maximum PC stated here:


http://www.maximumpc.com/fallout-4-graphics-revisited-patch-13/


"What's interesting is how far the gap has narrowed between AMD and Nvidia GPUs. Where the 980 Ti and 980 used to hold double-digit percentage leads over the Fury X and 390, with the patch and updated drivers the cards are now running basically tied (4–6 percent leads for Nvidia, but AMD has better 97 percentile results now). The 970 was also more or less tied with the 390 before, but now the 390 holds a sizeable 12 percent advantage. It's just unfortunate it took a couple of weeks after launch to narrow the gap. We could point out how badly AMD dominates Nvidia at the $200 market, though with sub-20 fps results we'll save that for below......."
"All of the GPUs we tested remain "playable" (meaning, higher than 30 fps averages), though interestingly it's Nvidia that appears to have more stuttering and low frame rates now."....

I am not day zero gamer anyway with all the glitchy bugs and all, so may be waiting a while isn't a big deal... besides I already bought this game on a peasant platform, console... lol .. may try it on pc too, may be....

I will NEVER zero day game. Games are in horrendous states at that time. I hate it. I almost always wait for all dlcs. So for me, it's a no brainer to go with AMD. By then, performance and a CF profile can be out.
 

IllogicalGlory

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It was a $549 card which needed a $200 price cut to be still competitive. Nobody cared about these cards anymore after the GTX970 and GTX980 were launched.
What's the point you're making? People who bought a $550 290X got a bad deal? The 780 Ti is a $700 card that nobody cared about after the 970 launched. They should be feeling much worse, maybe not as bad as people who bought a 780 for $650 though.

It seems you're just bragging about your team winning. "Look how great these cards are, they forced a $200 price cut on the other side to stay competitive". Why should we care? A $200 R9 290 is a great thing for people in the market for video cards as far as I can tell.
 

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What's the point you're making? People who bought a $550 290X got a bad deal? The 780 Ti is a $700 card that nobody cared about after the 970 launched. They should be feeling much worse, maybe not as bad as people who bought a 780 for $650 though.

It seems you're just bragging about your team winning. "Look how great these cards are, they forced a $200 price cut on the other side to stay competitive". Why should we care? A $200 R9 290 is a great thing for people in the market for video cards as far as I can tell.

Depends on what matters to you. Company profits or gamers pockets.
 

Timmah!

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Looks to me that the stock GTX 970 is a full 42.6% faster at 1080p than the stock GTX 680.

Love the conspiracy theory BS that NVIDIA is artificially gimping Kepler and that there's no way that Maxwell could possibly just be a better/more robust architecture. Nope, no chance of that...

As i said, its games. Unreliable benchmark of true performance.
And i never said Nvidia are gimping Kepler on purpose. That would mean they are actually making them worse with the drivers. Not what i meant.

EDIT> Anyway, even if those 42 percent were a mirror of true architectural improvement and more or less consistent across all kind of apps, they are still asking you to pay 350 EUROs for 1,4x more performance than 4 YEARS ago. Not a year, not 2, but 4.
 
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sontin

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What's the point you're making? People who bought a $550 290X got a bad deal? The 780 Ti is a $700 card that nobody cared about after the 970 launched. They should be feeling much worse, maybe not as bad as people who bought a 780 for $650 though.

It seems you're just bragging about your team winning. "Look how great these cards are, they forced a $200 price cut on the other side to stay competitive". Why should we care? A $200 R9 290 is a great thing for people in the market for video cards as far as I can tell.

"We care" when somebody pointing out how great AMD cards are. The fact is that a 290X is not great when you need to pay $200 over a GTX970. That's the reason why this card got a $200 price reduction.
 

caswow

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"We care" when somebody pointing out how great AMD cards are. The fact is that a 290X is not great when you need to pay $200 over a GTX970. That's the reason why this card got a $200 price reduction.

kepler at its time was considered the better tech, better engeneering and now?
in your own words nvidia had to put in millions in developing maxwell to compete with the old inferior gcn yet its still competetive. when somebody bought 600$ 780 he had to upgrade again to something faster. who wasted their money now? look how far behind the 780 today is it is as bad as the 680. both garbage.
 

Glo.

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I think the best measure of real performance of both companies is wide array of GPUs tested in every price/performance/resolution bracket.

And by the looks of things, on sites that test GPUs through wide array of games it seems like old GCN is again the winner.

P.S. It looks like currently Fury X is slightly faster than Titan X in 4K. In techpowerup review suite Fury X is faster in 10 out of 15 games in 4K. Count the games yourself: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/6.html Currently it looks like every Price/performance/resolution bracket is dominated by AMD.

P.S. It is extremely off-topic.
 

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Just a reminder all, stay on topic, stay civil, and no personal attacks or callouts are allowed. Thanks
 

stockwiz

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After 5 pages and not reading any of them except the first, my response is.. not very surprising.. I knew going in that a 970 was not a 1440P card, particularly with that processor. I knew that I would be gaming 1080P, on my 60 inch LCD with surround sound, thus was not an issue.

Sorry about your issues, OP.. to get high end resolution you really need high end hardware... today's games tend not to be the best optimized and are rather consolized... I took me a long time just to buy the 970 because I don't see the performance as really being as good as it should be for it's price range.. Nvidia has raised prices a good $100 from the past due to lack of competition.

Part of it is probably using the aging 28nm platform for so long. Given they've hardly dropped the price of the 970 at all, I wouldn't upgrade to one now... the people who got the best bang for the buck out of them bought them a year ago for maybe 20 bucks more.
 
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