I bought a new 2007 Mustang

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: RichUK
SVT Cobra, you?re like a plague in this thread.

Aww mr BMW engineer trolling me again.

Are you really that inane?

My guess is that if you're saying anything that isn't singing the praises of the mustang, he's going to call you a tool.

He's so blinded by his idealistic vision of 'American Muscle' that i'm sure he'd claim that with the right tweaking, the mustang can outperform anything thrown at it.



To the OP, i simply don't understand the point of a V6 mustang. With that said, i'm glad you like it, its a good car for the $.

 

[CCrunnernb]

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: chris7b
There is no replacement for displacement =).

Yeah there is, its called boost. Look at the Mustang Cobra for a fine example. SRT4, WRX, EVO for others.

Boost and more displacement are always better though.

Both my two cars are turbo'd or supercharged, 92' Stealth twin-turbo, and a newer 04' Ion Redline, very fun cars to bomb around in.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Only 210Hp from a 4.0L V6 ..... WTF!!!!!!!!!

240 ft-lbs at 3,500 RPM. I'll take that every day over a smaller engine with 80 fewer ft-lbs of torque and the same hp rating.

Show me a naturally-aspirated engine with the same torque characteristic that's significantly smaller.

ZV

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Way to retort... typical American/Anti-import fanboy....

I'm glad you feel that way n00blet. :roll:

Ohh, gee... you've got all of 5 months on me, I'm sorry your highness, I should spend less time in the real world and more time in here so 'lifers' like yourself will respect my e-penis, err, i mean my post count. :roll:


Heres a good litmus test.

Can you concede that pound for pound, the camry's V6 is basically just as good as the ford V6?

Here's the problem: you haven't defined good. The engines are very different, except for the fact that they both produce roughly the same amount of HP, so it comes down to which engine's features you prefer.

That said, I'd take a Mustang V6 over a Camry V6.

 

[CCrunnernb]

Originally posted by: Christobevii3
Ford ranger engine in a mustang?

I happen to have exactly the opposite.

Ranger with a 289 V8 in it, along with some other things. :Q

 

[Fenixgoon]

i would go with bad move - used GT ftw

although new does give you the comfort that no one has abused it at all. so as long as you are happy, that works. congrats OP

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: RichUK
Only 210Hp from a 4.0L V6 ..... WTF!!!!!!!!!

240 ft-lbs at 3,500 RPM. I'll take that every day over a smaller engine with 80 fewer ft-lbs of torque and the same hp rating.

Show me a naturally-aspirated engine with the same torque characteristic that's significantly smaller.

ZV

I've searched and I've failed.

I won't be able to win this debate with you.

 

[Mermaidman]

Bad move because you had to finance and pay gap insurance. Depreciation FTL

(Hey-you asked!)

Regardless, enjoy your car--Those Mustangs are fun to drive!

 

[Zenmervolt]

To the OP:

The car will be fun, and pretty bullet-proof. That was a good move.

Extended Warranty: Bad Move. You're not going to have $1,700 worth of things that are coverable by that warranty go wrong.

Gap Insurance: Bad Move. Half-decent normal insurance will cover the same thing by default without the added premium.

The dealership got a nice, healthy, cut of those two items.

ZV

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
To the OP:

The car will be fun, and pretty bullet-proof. That was a good move.

Extended Warranty: Bad Move. You're not going to have $1,700 worth of things that are coverable by that warranty go wrong.

Gap Insurance: Bad Move. Half-decent normal insurance will cover the same thing by default without the added premium.

The dealership got a nice, healthy, cut of those two items.

ZV

agree.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: chris7b
There is no replacement for displacement =).

Yeah there is, its called boost. Look at the Mustang Cobra for a fine example. SRT4, WRX, EVO for others.

Nope, no replacement for displacement. So what you can match a NA V8 with 40 lbs of boost in a smaller engine, look what happens when you run 40 lbs of boost on a V8 you get 8000 HP top fuel engines that run 4 second 1/4s

Holding the fuel type constant, there is going to be a maximum heat and pressure threshold that you can hit safely without detonation. With 93 octane pump gas that is about 18-20 lbs of boost. Once you are done adding boost and you can't add any more what else can you do? You can increase displacement without passing that threshold, and that added displacement? Guess what, it is also boosted to that limit.

What do you think makes more power, a 2.0L boosted to 20 lbs, or a 4.0L boosted to 20 lbs? Given the same fuel and same cylinder pressure limits, the fuel mixture density is going to be constant, so even under boost, the engine with more displacement is going to be burning more of that boosted increased density mixture, thus making more power than the smaller engine.

What contains more fuel (thus more power): a 2L jar compressed with 34.7 psi of air fuel mixture or a 4L jar compressed with 34.7 psi of fuel mixture?

Understand that, and you'll understand the true meaning behind the saying "there is no replacement for displacement"

PS: most of the high horsepower import cars running high horsepower numbers are doing so at 35lbs of boost on 116+ octane leaded race gas without cats. Ie: they aren't street legal without the cats and not practical daily street cars where you cant pull into any corner mart when the needle is on E and gas up with 116.

1000 HP 3.0L Supra's only make a still awesome 600 HP at 20 lbs on 93 octane, but 4.0+ liter engines also running 20 lbs on 93 octane can make over 800 on the street on standard pump gas People looking for more power bore and stroke the 2JZ to 3.4L and the 3SGTE to 2.2L. Why? No replacement for displacement.

This is the reason I will be upgrading my 281 Cobra engine to a 324 in the future. All else held constant, including boost, it will make more power. Blown engines like 4v DOHC and they love being stroked since the benefit of boost occurs most between the halfway point to BDC where a non boosted mixture has already stopped expanding violently at the critical 90 deg rod angle where the work advantage of the piston is highest. Stroke and boost work hand and hand to make crazy power, and increased stroke is increased displacement.

Repeat after me: There is no replacement for displacement.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: RichUK
Only 210Hp from a 4.0L V6 ..... WTF!!!!!!!!!

240 ft-lbs at 3,500 RPM. I'll take that every day over a smaller engine with 80 fewer ft-lbs of torque and the same hp rating.

Show me a naturally-aspirated engine with the same torque characteristic that's significantly smaller.

ZV

I've searched and I've failed.

I won't be able to win this debate with you.

The closest thing you will get is Nissan VQ. Even then, it'll cost alot more than the 20k Mustang.

 

[iversonyin]

Its a good move if you plan to keep this car for a good amount of time. If you selling it 3 years later...everything goes to waste.

 

[fstime]

Not here to start an argument but I recently loaned a Nissan Titan with a 4.0 liter V6

VQ40DE ? 4.0-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine
261 hp @ 5,600 rpm
281 lb-ft of torque @ 4,000 rpm

It was an impressive engine, it gets on with a tap of the gas pedal.

That being said, smaller V6's can easily put out 250-290, even 300 hp(G35, TL-S, IS350, etc)

I'm sure they could do even more then that if you bumped their displacement to 4 liters.(look at the new G37, 350 or so hp.)



My buddy has a GS400(I know, its a V8, but still 4 liters. It puts out 300/310.

Plain in simple, 210hp for a 4 liter V6 doesn't impress that many people anymore.

 

[HaxorNubcake]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: RichUK
Only 210Hp from a 4.0L V6 ..... WTF!!!!!!!!!

240 ft-lbs at 3,500 RPM. I'll take that every day over a smaller engine with 80 fewer ft-lbs of torque and the same hp rating.

Show me a naturally-aspirated engine with the same torque characteristic that's significantly smaller.

ZV

Not sure if this works (I'm an idiot when it comes to cars):

2001 e320
3.2L single overhead cam 18-valve 90-degree V6
221 hp @ 5500 rpm
232 fl-lbs @ 3000-4600 rpm

 

[jeffrey]

Bought a Ford... Strike One

Bought a V6 Mustang... Strike Two

Based decision on "image"... Strike Three


Voted Bad Move

 

[dpert1]

v6 stangs are made for women, period. No disrespect for women, but that demographic typically goes for looks and not preformance.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Not here to start an argument but I recently loaned a Nissan Titan with a 4.0 liter V6

VQ40DE ? 4.0-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine
261 hp @ 5,600 rpm
281 lb-ft of torque @ 4,000 rpm

It was an impressive engine, it gets on with a tap of the gas pedal.

That being said, smaller V6's can easily put out 250-290, even 300 hp(G35, TL-S, IS350, etc)

I'm sure they could do even more then that if you bumped their displacement to 4 liters.(look at the new G37, 350 or so hp.)



My buddy has a GS400(I know, its a V8, but still 4 liters. It puts out 300/310.

Plain in simple, 210hp for a 4 liter V6 doesn't impress that many people anymore.

Uhh...Titans don't come in a V6 model.

Maybe you're referring to the Frontier?

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: RichUK
Only 210Hp from a 4.0L V6 ..... WTF!!!!!!!!!

240 ft-lbs at 3,500 RPM. I'll take that every day over a smaller engine with 80 fewer ft-lbs of torque and the same hp rating.

Show me a naturally-aspirated engine with the same torque characteristic that's significantly smaller.

ZV

I've searched and I've failed.

I won't be able to win this debate with you.

The closest thing you will get is Nissan VQ. Even then, it'll cost alot more than the 20k Mustang.

The old M3 engine is a good example....

E36 BMW M3

Performance
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.6 sec. Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 119 ft.
Road Holding Index: .88 g Base Number of Cylinders: 6
Base Engine Size: 3.2 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 6
Horsepower: 240 hp Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm
Torque: 236 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 3800 rpm
Drive Type: RWD

But, same deal with the cost...Ford probably couldn't charge what they do for the base V6 Mustang with this kind of powerplant in it.

OP, nice car, enjoy it...I drove a '92 4 cylinder Mustang for 4 years as my beater, and my brother had a 94 V6 Stang as his first car. Even the '94 V6 felt like a rocket after driving my 4 cyl.

The only reason people bag on the V6 Mustang is because there's a v8 option available which overshadows it, IMO. When you look at it more objectively, and compare it to other sport-type cars in that price range, it stacks up pretty nice. It's a great price for what you actually get....compared to a Civic or pretty much anything else at that price point, I'd take the V6 Mustang any day of the week.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Bad move. You purchased a Mustang for the image yet you didn't spring for the V8? "Car people" laugh at people who do this...sorry dude.

Oh...and return that extended warranty! Seriously...and you SHOULD be able to as most have a 30 day grace period.

As for your car...sounds like you're stuck with it!

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Bad move. You purchased a Mustang for the image yet you didn't spring for the V8? "Car people" laugh at people who do this...sorry dude.

Oh...and return that extended warranty! Seriously...and you SHOULD be able to as most have a 30 day grace period.

As for your car...sounds like you're stuck with it!

Not everyone is a "car person" though. If you don't really require the V8, the V6 is a much better choice in terms of gas mileage, practicality, and especially insurance costs - which is pretty close to the top of the list in terms of things to consider when you're a single, 21 year old male trying to insure a car.

And this is coming from a "car person".

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: HaxorNubcake

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: RichUK
Only 210Hp from a 4.0L V6 ..... WTF!!!!!!!!!

240 ft-lbs at 3,500 RPM. I'll take that every day over a smaller engine with 80 fewer ft-lbs of torque and the same hp rating.

Show me a naturally-aspirated engine with the same torque characteristic that's significantly smaller.

ZV

Not sure if this works (I'm an idiot when it comes to cars):

2001 e320
3.2L single overhead cam 18-valve 90-degree V6
221 hp @ 5500 rpm
232 fl-lbs @ 3000-4600 rpm

Also Toyota 2GR-FE 3.5L V6:

272 HP @ 6200 RPM
254 ft-lbs @ 4700 RPM

Slightly higher RPMs, but also slightly higher numbers too.

The 2GR-FSE with direct injection is:

315 HP @ 6400 RPM
277 ft-lbs @ 4800 RPM

Don't forget the 2JZ-GTE 3.0L I6, granted that one is turbo:

320 HP @ 5600 RPM
315 TQ @ 4000 RPM

 

[mrSHEiK124]

VQ35DE ? 3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V6
Horsepower ? 270 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque ? 258 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm

And that's in a "grocery getter" Altima 3.5 SE.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
VQ35DE ? 3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V6
Horsepower ? 270 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque ? 258 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm

And that's in a "grocery getter" Altima 3.5 SE.

Which starts at $24k MSRP.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Not here to start an argument but I recently loaned a Nissan Titan with a 4.0 liter V6

VQ40DE ? 4.0-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine
261 hp @ 5,600 rpm
281 lb-ft of torque @ 4,000 rpm

It was an impressive engine, it gets on with a tap of the gas pedal.

That being said, smaller V6's can easily put out 250-290, even 300 hp(G35, TL-S, IS350, etc)

I'm sure they could do even more then that if you bumped their displacement to 4 liters.(look at the new G37, 350 or so hp.)



My buddy has a GS400(I know, its a V8, but still 4 liters. It puts out 300/310.

Plain in simple, 210hp for a 4 liter V6 doesn't impress that many people anymore.

Uhh...Titans don't come in a V6 model.

Maybe you're referring to the Frontier?

Whoops, meant Xterra, dont know how I got the 2 confused.