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[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Get some sleep."P4 has been discontinued" :roll:

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Originally the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture was supposed to scale to as much as 10GHz, but there's been a complete re-alignment of Intel's strategy, which started to happen earlier this year.

That article said nothing about p4 being discontinued.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
Felix, were you dropped as a baby? i really think your mom PURPOSELY threw you down the stairs because you're first words were, "intel owns googoo gaagaa". perhaps that has caused you some brain damaged and now you cant decipher the difference between logic and stupidity.

Tran can Troll. Hey theres some news. Not!

 

[EightySix Four]

That's enough trolling on both sides, we've given the guy all the advice he needs for an informed decision.

 

[Lithan]

1. We were talking about A64 versus prescotts when you made your 5*C statement. You didn't say anything to indicate you were compairing northwoods and prescotts.
2. I don't pick on p4c because it isn't nearly as bad as p4e. Top p4c is 89w if I recall. P4E 3.6 was 115w, And I believe the 3.73 required a new thermal guideline.
3. We aren't talking about average or idle. We are talking about load temps obviously. It's pointless to compair Idle temps just as it's pointless to compair thermally-throttled temps. We are concerned with the maximum we will have to be equiped to deal with.


Justly. I singled out 754 because the 754/939 is the prevalent debate when it comes to considering upgradability in a purchase.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
But let me clarify my stance on "upgrade path"... I have never recommended anyone wait for the next thing "right around the corner", nor have I ever recommended to base their cpu purchase on what might be next year. (Feel free to search my posts... You won't find anything. )

Even if their motherboard of choice can be used with the latest processor next year, chances are there will be significantly superior motherboards or memory options by then.

Take a look at the motherboards out at this time last year. None of them would be desirable for a high end system built around today's best line of cpu's.

I don't disagree that there will be better motherboards 14 months from now. The performance gains with a new chipset are not always a big deal though. Look at nForce 3 vs. nForce 4. The only major improvment I can see happening 14 months from now is DDR2, which would require a full system overhaul. A motherboard, RAM, and CPU would probably be too expensive for my upgrade budget, and the gains would probably not outweigh the cost.

The fact remains that a good upgrade path is always a good thing, and should be considered when you purchase a system. The same goes for technologies such as PCI-E; it's stupid to build a high-end system around AGP right now because the graphics card will need to be replaced with the next system upgrade.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Lithan
1. We were talking about A64 versus prescotts when you made your 5*C statement. You didn't say anything to indicate you were compairing northwoods and prescotts.
2. I don't pick on p4c because it isn't nearly as bad as p4e. Top p4c is 89w if I recall. P4E 3.6 was 115w, And I believe the 3.73 required a new thermal guideline.
3. We aren't talking about average or idle. We are talking about load temps obviously. It's pointless to compair Idle temps just as it's pointless to compair thermally-throttled temps. We are concerned with the maximum we will have to be equiped to deal with.


Justly. I singled out 754 because the 754/939 is the prevalent debate when it comes to considering upgradability in a purchase.

just show me something showing that your cpu maxes at 20 C under load. that will restore some credibility even in spite of some of your other outlandish exaggerations.
of course in reference to this statement

I run at 3*C under room temp @ 1.60vcore 3.9ghz on xp120 with a silent fan.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That article said nothing about p4 being discontinued.

If they're not going to make a 4ghz P4, what would you suggest is happening? They're just gonna skip a milestone clockspeed like that and go for 5ghz?

All signs point toward the P4 being dead. Dual core is its only potential future.

 

[gururu]

Now is the end of P4. It HAS to be if Intel wants to remain competitive.

 

[Lithan]

http://home.comcast.net/~iasa9/proof.gif

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: Lithan
...Justly. I singled out 754 because the 754/939 is the prevalent debate when it comes to considering upgradability in a purchase.

I don't think that really answers the question. As of today only LGA 775 motherboards have PCI-e (correct me if I am wrong). Since socket 754 and 939 (heck even 940) can use the same chipset, are you trying to say that even when a PCI-e chipsets become available no motherboard manufacturer will make a new socket 754 motherboard. I find that highly unlikly especially since SiS, VIA and Nvidia all have PCI-e chipsets in the works and socket 754 is not going to be phased out like socket A but only marketed as a mainstream/budget platform.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That article said nothing about p4 being discontinued.

If they're not going to make a 4ghz P4, what would you suggest is happening? They're just gonna skip a milestone clockspeed like that and go for 5ghz?

All signs point toward the P4 being dead. Dual core is its only potential future.

We are arguing semantics. In otherwords, right now you are saying the factories have shut down and nothing is being made by intel. I say thats bull$hit. I say today, this very day, they are making p4s. They are making Xenons. They are making prescotts. They are making mobiles.

What you are trying to say is that one day the p4 will no longer be made. Of course thats true, just as the p3 is no longer made. But that day IS NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:|

:laugh:

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: Lithan
...Justly. I singled out 754 because the 754/939 is the prevalent debate when it comes to considering upgradability in a purchase.

I don't think that really answers the question. As of today only LGA 775 motherboards have PCI-e (correct me if I am wrong). Since socket 754 and 939 (heck even 940) can use the same chipset, are you trying to say that even when a PCI-e chipsets become available no motherboard manufacturer will make a new socket 754 motherboard. I find that highly unlikly especially since SiS, VIA and Nvidia all have PCI-e chipsets in the works and socket 754 is not going to be phased out like socket A but only marketed as a mainstream/budget platform.

Theres been a lot of debate about it, but the general consensus is that there wont be any nf4 754 boards. I can't say for sure though. But there will definately be 939 nf4's.

 

[KrazyDawg]

I should probably post this in a topic of my own but for multitasking purposes, which processor would be suited for that task. P4 has its hyper threading feature but it's not 2 physical processors so I can't expect performance at that level. I have a P4 2.4C o/c to 2.7 and during heavy multitasking I can still make the computer lag and become unresponsive for a short period of time. I upgraded from an Athlon XP 1700+ o/c to 2400+ but the difference wasn't that big in terms of multitasking. For the amount I spent on the processor, motherboard, and cooling I'm wondering if the Athlon 64 would've been the better choice for multitasking. I'm mainly concerned with multitasking right now. I already have a good idea on how both processors perform in various categories but multitasking benchmarks don't seem to exist. Dual processors aren't an option for me due to the cost involved.

 

[Lithan]

What are you doing specifically? What OS?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I can guarantee you that the upgrade path on S939 will be much better than with S775. AMD has confirmed dual-core S939 CPUs by the end of 2005.

How in the world can you GUARANTEE such a thing... What you are saying is total speculation. Even if AMD's dual core cpu's use the same socket, there is no direct corolation that it will still be compatible, let alone optimal. Remember, Socket A has been around for a while, but you won't be seeing anyone running a later model Athlon on an early Socket A board.

I think you're speaking for intel corp.

AMD has *confirmed* that the dual core Opterons will be compatible with current motherboards with a simple bios update. I have no reason to believe S939 will be any different.

I am almost positive that in a year's time, AMD users will still have an upgrade path on S939 but intel users will be using an obsolete platform with S775. On top of that I'll bet that the soon-to-be released NF4 motherboards will be compatible with the dual cored A64s with an updated bios.

I obviously cannot 100% guarantee this situation, but based on intel's long history, this is a very likely scenario. Compare Socket A to Slot 1 or Socket 370 and you'll see what I mean.

I'm running an XP Mobile 2500+ at near 4000+ speeds right now. It goes toe-to-toe will all but the most cutting edge processors that are available today. I have never had this kind of PC experience with intel. I've been using Socket A for so long now, I'm not even sure how many years it's been.

weird because my 2.6C @ 3.46ghz was top of the line for a long time as well.

When theres a will theres a way my friend.

and S775 doesnt exsist, it isnt a socket. LGA775.

So you think in a years time, not only is AMD not going to change their socket (which i have also heard they plan not to), but that CURRENT motherboards are going to be able to handle the enormous power draw (new VRMs?) and be able to handle the weight of enormous heatsinks (dual core from both companies will be twice as hot), not to mention bios support, the same memory technologies, PCI-express, the same HTT, the same southbridge and HDD controllers (by late '05 we will have SATA ROMs).

Itll be the same socket, but would you toss an Athlon XP 3200+ in a KT266?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That article said nothing about p4 being discontinued.

If they're not going to make a 4ghz P4, what would you suggest is happening? They're just gonna skip a milestone clockspeed like that and go for 5ghz?

All signs point toward the P4 being dead. Dual core is its only potential future.

We are arguing semantics. In otherwords, right now you are saying the factories have shut down and nothing is being made by intel. I say thats bull$hit. I say today, this very day, they are making p4s. They are making Xenons. They are making prescotts. They are making mobiles.

What you are trying to say is that one day the p4 will no longer be made. Of course thats true, just as the p3 is no longer made. But that day IS NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:|

:laugh:

Xenons huh.. never heard of that chip? :roll:

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That article said nothing about p4 being discontinued.

If they're not going to make a 4ghz P4, what would you suggest is happening? They're just gonna skip a milestone clockspeed like that and go for 5ghz?

All signs point toward the P4 being dead. Dual core is its only potential future.

We are arguing semantics. In otherwords, right now you are saying the factories have shut down and nothing is being made by intel. I say thats bull$hit. I say today, this very day, they are making p4s. They are making Xenons. They are making prescotts. They are making mobiles.

What you are trying to say is that one day the p4 will no longer be made. Of course thats true, just as the p3 is no longer made. But that day IS NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:|

:laugh:

Xenons huh.. never heard of that chip? :roll:

Xenons are all the rage! Socket 775, 510w heat dissipation, and they are sooooo inefficient!

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Itll be the same socket, but would you toss an Athlon XP 3200+ in a KT266?

Probably not, but going from a 1700+ to a 2500+ Mobile was a very nice upgrade on my NF2 board.

So you think in a years time, not only is AMD not going to change their socket (which i have also heard they plan not to), but that CURRENT motherboards are going to be able to handle the enormous power draw (new VRMs?) and be able to handle the weight of enormous heatsinks (dual core from both companies will be twice as hot), not to mention bios support, the same memory technologies, PCI-express, the same HTT, the same southbridge and HDD controllers (by late '05 we will have SATA ROMs).

I assume nVidia took this into account when they engineered the nForce 4. As I said, AMD said the dual-cored Opteron will be compatible with current motherboards with a bios update.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
What you are trying to say is that one day the p4 will no longer be made. Of course thats true, just as the p3 is no longer made. But that day IS NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually what I'm trying to say is that development of the P4 as we know it today has been discontinued. They will continue to mass produce them, but there will never be a P4 faster than 4ghz.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That article said nothing about p4 being discontinued.

If they're not going to make a 4ghz P4, what would you suggest is happening? They're just gonna skip a milestone clockspeed like that and go for 5ghz?

All signs point toward the P4 being dead. Dual core is its only potential future.

We are arguing semantics. In otherwords, right now you are saying the factories have shut down and nothing is being made by intel. I say thats bull$hit. I say today, this very day, they are making p4s. They are making Xenons. They are making prescotts. They are making mobiles.

What you are trying to say is that one day the p4 will no longer be made. Of course thats true, just as the p3 is no longer made. But that day IS NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:|

:laugh:

Xenons huh.. never heard of that chip? :roll:

You stfu newbcheese, I owned your a$$es. And you know I meant Xeon.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
What you are trying to say is that one day the p4 will no longer be made. Of course thats true, just as the p3 is no longer made. But that day IS NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually what I'm trying to say is that development of the P4 as we know it today has been discontinued. They will continue to mass produce them, but there will never be a P4 faster than 4ghz.

You mean 3.6 or 3.8 (we haven;t seen the 3.8 yet, unless I missed it but I think it is due) Anyway, yes, the P4 is all but dead.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Oh yeah. Im sure everyone here feels owned.

We are about as owned as your EE chip (or Celeron chip for that matter)

If that is the best retort you can come up with Felix your losing steam!

-Kevin

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: Lithan

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: Lithan
...Justly. I singled out 754 because the 754/939 is the prevalent debate when it comes to considering upgradability in a purchase.

I don't think that really answers the question. As of today only LGA 775 motherboards have PCI-e (correct me if I am wrong). Since socket 754 and 939 (heck even 940) can use the same chipset, are you trying to say that even when a PCI-e chipsets become available no motherboard manufacturer will make a new socket 754 motherboard. I find that highly unlikly especially since SiS, VIA and Nvidia all have PCI-e chipsets in the works and socket 754 is not going to be phased out like socket A but only marketed as a mainstream/budget platform.

Theres been a lot of debate about it, but the general consensus is that there wont be any nf4 754 boards. I can't say for sure though. But there will definately be 939 nf4's.

General cosensus tells me nothing. Out of all the motherboard manufactures out there you want me to believe not one is planning a socket 754 PCI-e solution? ATi and Nvidia seem to think there is a market for entry level PCI-e graphics cards (since both companies have budget cards already available) this makes me think there is a market for a PCI-e socket 754 board, and I would bet that at least one of those motherboard manufactures will want in that market.
If a socket 754 PCI-e motherboard is made with SiS or VIA chipsets why wouldn't there be a market for an NF4 based board also?

If you are not sure about the things you post why not simply put in "IMO" or the like.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Nvidia has said there will be NF4 for all platforms (654, 939, 940), general consensus means nothing when the company itself says something. I think one board has two slots on it one is 939 and one is 754, however that might be a Sis Chipset.

-Kevin

 

[clarkey01]

Netburst is dead, I am surprised that so many ppl didnt know.

Define "dead"

No longer going anywhere (cept dual core)

No longer scaling ( Wont go past 3.8 Ghz anytime soon or ever?)

No future chips ( Yes dual core)


Tejas/Nehalem and the server/workstation brothers and sisters are dead. Intels working on something else now, well I hope.