I Bought Intel Friends Tell me AMD better...

[mnarciso]

Ah thats too bad... it looks nice and clean. Are there any other ones that look clean like that? I have mbprobe but I'm the type of guy who likes "clean" looking programs. mbprobe is nice though, very low footprint and overhead but been looking for something else hehe.

 

[Lithan]

I briefly used the epox software that came with my 8kda3j on said board, it seemed quite acceptable but didn't do high/low/average (which is what I like mbm5 for).
The 8kda3j is the only board I've tried to use that isn't officially supported by mbm5, and it wasn't too difficult finding the proper sensors, so mbm5 is probably worth the download even if you are using a recent board.

 

[mnarciso]

alright I'll give that a shot thanks!

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Lithan
My room is 96*F at the moment actually.

And Acanthus, you win the prize. Seems everyone else here failed to realize that I was making a point of just how godawful motherboards temp readings are.

Wingnutz, we have been over this., I don't draw any conclusions based on motherboard temp readings because drawing conclusions based on flawed data results in flawed results. I point out that board temp readings are godawful only because someone pointed to an extremely generic poll conducted with no hints of scientific control whatsoever as "evidence" that prescotts don't run hot.

:roll: LOL

 

[Lithan]

To what is that responding?

 

[JenniAMDCHP]

Motherboard monitor works on some new motherboards. My FX-53 with Gigabyte K8NSNXP 939 motherboard reads the CPU temperature just fine. There's a lot of sensors that are funky, but the main (red) readout in my taskbar works pretty darn good on keeping temperature readouts accurate. Might need to poke around and try different things with the program, but it should work for a lot of current motherboards..
-Jen

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Lithan
To what is that responding?

I'm a scientist, and if another scientist in my area of research told me that they conducted all of their research at 96 F, well, lets just say that every other scientist and I on the planet would also respond with a bonafide
:roll: LOL.

 

[justly]

Lithan, Let me start off by saying that you are right, you did say "questionable" in regards to socket 754 enhancements. I would also like to add that when I said "You incinuated that socket 939 is the only socket that has an upgrade path to PCI-e and DDR2" I was a bit over zelous. My intention was to show that your coments could influance readers to purchase socket 939 over socket 754 based on a false premise that socket 754 motherboards will not recieve the same enhancements as socket 939.

I hope that clears up any tention you have twards me.

I wouldn't doubt that you are gloating right about now, but I am going to put a damper on that for the moment as I would still like to ask this one question. Can you elaborate on what enhancements you think socket 939 motherboards will get that socket 754 motherboards will not? and why? Please take note that this question is in reference to your comment about upgrading without buying a new processor, so things like duel core would not apply.

 

[jimmy43]

Its a good processor, the only downside is your lacking 64 bit support, and so your pc will be obsolete in 6 months.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Yeah AMD is way way better. Intel will get like bugs(820 chipset, Pentium, 9xx series chipsets, 3.0GHz C, Itanium 1 AND 2). You know how people say Intel has better stability? Oh right, with that many bugs you will never crash with Intel systems since they don't even boot up in the first place.

AMD has better performance
they never had serious bugs
they run cooler
they are so much cheaper

I mean what tells that Intel is even close?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Yeah AMD is way way better. Intel will get like bugs(820 chipset, Pentium, 9xx series chipsets, 3.0GHz C, Itanium 1 AND 2). You know how people say Intel has better stability? Oh right, with that many bugs you will never crash with Intel systems since they don't even boot up in the first place.

AMD has better performance
they never had serious bugs
they run cooler
they are so much cheaper

I mean what tells that Intel is even close?

Obviously we now know 2 things.

1. YOu are like 9 years old

2. YOu are not old enough to remember the beginnings of Intel (ie P1 P2 P3)

Also stability is not based on CPU, if any other part of your hardware is a POS thenyour system is, Processors have a suprisingly low impact on stability.

-Kevin

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jimmy43
Its a good processor, the only downside is your lacking 64 bit support, and so your pc will be obsolete in 6 months.

I hope you're joking.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Obviously we now know 2 things.

1. YOu are like 9 years old

2. YOu are not old enough to remember the beginnings of Intel (ie P1 P2 P3)

Also stability is not based on CPU, if any other part of your hardware is a POS thenyour system is, Processors have a suprisingly low impact on stability.

Oh yes I am old enough to remember the beginnings of Intel. Have you seen anybody that is 9 year old that comes here and argues about Intel vs. AMD? I haven't.

Pentium 1 got quickly surpassed by K6 which was cheaper
Pentium 2 also got surpassed by K6-2's which were also cheaper
Pentium 3 ALSO got surpassed by K6-3's which were cheaper and got owned when Athlons came out.

Okay, so they were RELATIVELY good CPU's. However that does not solve one thing. The past doesn't matter now. AMD and Athlon64's are so good now that you can forget all history of Intel's successes.
Is there any more I need to say?

 

[mnarciso]

This is the perfect example of an AMD fanboy...

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jimmy43
Its a good processor, the only downside is your lacking 64 bit support, and so your pc will be obsolete in 60 months.

Fixed.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: justly
Lithan, Let me start off by saying that you are right, you did say "questionable" in regards to socket 754 enhancements. I would also like to add that when I said "You incinuated that socket 939 is the only socket that has an upgrade path to PCI-e and DDR2" I was a bit over zelous. My intention was to show that your coments could influance readers to purchase socket 939 over socket 754 based on a false premise that socket 754 motherboards will not recieve the same enhancements as socket 939.

I hope that clears up any tention you have twards me.

I wouldn't doubt that you are gloating right about now, but I am going to put a damper on that for the moment as I would still like to ask this one question. Can you elaborate on what enhancements you think socket 939 motherboards will get that socket 754 motherboards will not? and why? Please take note that this question is in reference to your comment about upgrading without buying a new processor, so things like duel core would not apply.

I've said already that I don't know or honestly care all that much. As often as I change systems upgradability is little to no concern for me. I was simply responding based on the general assumptions that are going around. There very well could be 754 with pci-e and all the other enhancements 939 will have. But we know for a fact 939 (of any amd socket) will have them (except as you pointed out, ddr-2 may require a new socket), with 754 any answer is rumor or suspicion.


Inteluser,
As I recall P2's beat K6-2's (I still ran K6-2 because P-2's were laughably priced). Although my buddy says that k6-2's absolutely fly in an optimized linux distro he has. And p3's would have demolished k6-3 if they were marketed against one another. P3's were quite competitive with athlons which were a large improvement overf k6-3's. (K6-3's were if I recall a k6-2 with full speed cache, weren't they?)


Gururu: Ooo a scientist. And you've got a field of research, you say? Well now. That explains the one word post. But do expound on this theorem of yours that scientific method breaks down above eighty degrees fahrenheit. I find it most retarded. I mean intriguing.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Tom
I like cool running stuff as much as the next guy, but saying the P4 has heat issues is a false accusation unless you back it up.

The point isn't that the A64 runs cooler, to say the P4 has heat issues means you have to prove that P4s fail, or malfunction, where is your evidence ?

Exactly. I'm a long-time AMD fan and have built many machines. I'm currently runny a Dell 8400, P4 3.0E and it is silent and rock stable. The heat sink is a bit larger than by previous Athlon solution, the Thermaltake SLK900 but this machine is far quieter than any AMD machine I ever built. It's the fastest machine I have used as well. Just go with the purchase! It was a good one!

 

[Lithan]

Example: An architecture firm a friend of mine does the systems admin work for recently returned four new oem boxes based on prescotts because due to performance issues, my friend discovered the processors were throttling down. This was obviously not acceptable.

Edit: and arsbanned most sff rigs dont have room for a slk900.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Example: An architecture firm a friend of mine does the systems admin work for recently returned four new oem boxes based on prescotts because due to performance issues, my friend discovered the processors were throttling down. This was obviously not acceptable.

Edit: and arsbanned most sff rigs dont have room for a slk900.

And most businesses dont use sff rigs.

 

[Lithan]

But the thread's starter is.

Look, the facts are simple. The originator of this thread is using the second hottest running commercial processor available today (the first being the 3.6 of the same stepping) in a sff rig. Whether you choose to believe it or not, cooling just shy of 115w of heat in the limited space of an SFF rig is an often difficult enterprise and the poster should take care that it is seen to.

 

[Acanthus]

The cooling in shuttle SFFs rivals most 3rd party heatsinks....

The OP has nothing to worry about.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

Obviously we now know 2 things.

1. YOu are like 9 years old

2. YOu are not old enough to remember the beginnings of Intel (ie P1 P2 P3)

Also stability is not based on CPU, if any other part of your hardware is a POS thenyour system is, Processors have a suprisingly low impact on stability.

Oh yes I am old enough to remember the beginnings of Intel. Have you seen anybody that is 9 year old that comes here and argues about Intel vs. AMD? I haven't.

Pentium 1 got quickly surpassed by K6 which was cheaper
Pentium 2 also got surpassed by K6-2's which were also cheaper
Pentium 3 ALSO got surpassed by K6-3's which were cheaper and got owned when Athlons came out.

Okay, so they were RELATIVELY good CPU's. However that does not solve one thing. The past doesn't matter now. AMD and Athlon64's are so good now that you can forget all history of Intel's successes.
Is there any more I need to say?

Wrong again!
THe K6 and K62 and K63 didn't "own" anything.
The K6 just marked AMD's reentrance into the processors. THen when the K6-2 came out they became somewhat competitive witht the P2. THe K6-s didn't do anything but hang around a couple of weeks and then went away because it was so expensive to produce (it had a huge amount of L2 Cache IIRC). WHen the Athlon came out it finally started not only competing with Intel it started beating it. The Thunderbird extended this lead.
FInally we had the AXP which started winning fairly large amounts, and evening things out until the Introduction of the P4C which the XP was never meant to compete. Then the A64 came out and the tides turned on Intel.

Want some proof here ya go Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5

Also Intels USED to run cooler, by a lot too.

-Kevin

 

[Lithan]

It's ranked below a vantec aeroflow in open air. A shuttle case is not open air.

 

[Acanthus]

Ok the OPs computer must be shooting out flames as i type this.

P4Es kill babies.

OMGZ A64 ownz everything.

STFU already you friggin fanboi babies... i cant take all this trash talking over 5 friggin % anymore.

Really, it doesnt matter.

OP: Your computer is fine. These friggin dorks have nothing better to do than argue features and semantics THAT DONT MATTER. Enjoy your PC and happy gaming.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Gururu: Ooo a scientist. And you've got a field of research, you say? Well now. That explains the one word post. But do expound on this theorem of yours that scientific method breaks down above eighty degrees fahrenheit. I find it most retarded. I mean intriguing.

Lithan, you've a lot to learn about scientific method if that is your pursuit. Any researcher knows that the most valuable information is obtained under conditions which are typical for the set of phenomena tested. For example, if you are going to test cpu temperatures of operation under normal circumstances, you test them under those circumstances I'm sorry, but I can understand why you get so aggravated when you're computing at 96 F! That in itself tells me that you are not making observations under a clear mind. I'd say its laughable, but maybe you can't afford some AC.

Not just that, but you are trying to give advice on temperatures to people with room temperatures 20 fahrenheit degrees below your own?!!! To your comments about the P4Es being too hot. I think, under your testing conditions, they most certainly are. and LOL is not a word.

I think your new sig should be:

Its 96 F and I'm pissed so back off!!!