I broke something~ Help please :/

[MonKENy]

Originally posted by: themisfit610
You dont have all that stuff.

Your system doesn't need any more than 500 watts, for sure.

I plugged in your exact system specs to the extreme.outervision calculator:
Q6600
High end ATX board
3 sticks DDR2
8800GT
2 hard drives
3 fans
TV Tuner
some USB devices etc, and all at 100% utilization and got ~380 watts. This should be fine.

~MiSfit

ok his VC needs at least 425 watts to run so you must have missed something. especially since he got at least a rating of 438 and I got a rating of 581. And what do you mean "you dont have all that stuff"? what "stuff"?

Originally posted by: tkdromeo
K thank you again, maybe it is the powersupply? I only bumped it 300, is it enough? I put in some more things into the tool you linked and i got 638. i put in that i have.

EDIT: - So it's not the PSU then.

And that's all i knew, that's without fans, i have no clue which i have.

repost what you put into the specs for the calculator. i never saw that post.

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
My money is on either an insufficient PSU, a bad video card or a PCIe slot that is not providing enough juice. I'm going to say the broken wires are coincidental in this whole mess.

yeah the wires are not even an issue at this point. they are not affecting the prob at all that we know of.

 

[tkdromeo]

I think he's referring to the additional PCI x4 card (tuner i thought) i put in as well as the tuner for antenna, cable, tv, soundblaster with front panel, sound blaster all models, 56k modem, I put in quad processor and not single because that's what i thought, maybe that's what he's referring to as well. I didn't know anything else to put in. And there's 4 sticks of ram in there, not three, you can see it in some of the pictures i think.

 

[tkdromeo]

Right here, 4 sticks http://s29.photobucket.com/alb...=HDphoto4EmptyView.jpg

 

[MonKENy]

yeah that was weird to me. i remembered it saying it was a 3gig ram model but when I went to best buy there were 4sticks. 1 more shitty thing they did. now in order to upgrade you have to buy 2 more gigs instead of 1. im guessing they put 2 1gig sticks and 2 512 in there.

these are the specs I used.

Quad processor
tv tuner (sat or cable? not sure i just used cable)
modem
high end desktop MB
1 pci 16
intel quad 6600 blah blah
at least 3 usb ports
4 sticks of ddr2
is your card sli? i put reg just in case.
1 HDD at 7200rpm
1 dvd rw
1 120mm fan
1 firewire (you have an external HDD on it)

yeah it only comes to around 458watts so I doubt its the PSU

oops I was doing it with a single core processor

with a quad im getting a new reading of 743 watts. maybe you dont have a big enough PSU

but that just seems like to much power. I must be doing something wrong or not figuring it correctly.

 

[tkdromeo]

it's 2x320 HDDs at 7200 and no it's not SLI as far as i know. I don't think it should cound as a quad processor. It says on that site that a Core 2 Quad is a Single Processor.

 

[MonKENy]

ok heres a good question. can you start up the system at all? or does it shut the whole system down? or does it only shut down now when you try to play a game?


ok i see what your saying about the single processor.

 

[Laminator]

When you use the calculator, it's a single-processor Q6600. A Q6600 is quad-core, not quad-processor. Quad-processor means four physical processors whereas a Q6600 has four logical cores.

Anyways, I think an Antec TruePower Trio 650W should be able to run a Q6600/8800GT setup. 3x 12V rails at 19A each; combined total is 52A (624W max on 12V rails). Try running the computer without doing anything graphics-intensive. It might be a GPU overheating problem; you can use ATITool to check the temperatures in real-time just in case.

Anyways, except for the PSU, ditto on what others said about what they think the problem is.

 

[MonKENy]

return the whole POS to bestbuy and buy all the components individual and build your own damn PC. screw HP and their stup pre-build (except the blackbird mmmmmm yummy) and dell, and gateway, and compaq, and emachines. may they all rot in hell!

 

[tkdromeo]

It works if i don't play....i think i haven't had the time to really test it out too much, it was too late last night. But it seems to only shut down when i play. I thought it might be the overheating of the GPU. Which ATI tool?

 

[imported_FishTaco]

If you're using an Antec Trio 650, it has 3 12V lines that max out at 19A each. It's possible that you're still overdrawing one of your 12V lines. Your power supply should have 2 PCI-E 6 pin connectors according to newegg. Try using the other PCI-E connector and pray it's on a 12V line that isn't overloaded. This is why I only buy power supplies with a single 12V line. No guess work. Just plug stuff in and it goes.

 

[MonKENy]

i was wondering if maybe he was overlodaing the line. but didnt know how it could be. now I do lol. thanks.

 

[tkdromeo]

Hmm i will check that out. I can't stress enough how knowledgeable and helpful the community here is. And major kudos for MonKENy for helping so much.

 

[MonKENy]

i STILL say return and build your own. or something like it.

 

[tkdromeo]

I called customer service and i can return it, but i can only reselect for another pc. Plus i need to pay a 15% restocking fee. I'd rather just see if this can be fixed...

 

[tkdromeo]

However, if they let me return it without reselecting. I'm willing to follow instructions to build my own

Still, i'd rather leave that to my final resort.

 

[Laminator]

Originally posted by: FishTaco
If you're using an Antec Trio 650, it has 3 12V lines that max out at 19A each. It's possible that you're still overdrawing one of your 12V lines. Your power supply should have 2 PCI-E 6 pin connectors according to newegg. Try using the other PCI-E connector and pray it's on a 12V line that isn't overloaded. This is why I only buy power supplies with a single 12V line. No guess work. Just plug stuff in and it goes.

Amen to the single 12V rail (I'm using a Silencer 750 Quad). OP, at this point I'd say return the whole system and build yourself another one. If the system works when not playing games, then something about it just doesn't like your video card and this is indicative of future problems when you continue to upgrade this system. If you bought your system for $1,200, you can get a much better one if you build it yourself. I'd recommend reading a guide or asking someone for help, first, though.

The program is called "ATITool". It's very small, which is good. Get it from TechPowerUp! or Guru3D.

 

[tkdromeo]

Alright, thanks again. I'll try that.

 

[tkdromeo]

My little brother has been home from school since 3:30 and he turned it on, it's still running np. So that's about an hour of working. It seems as long as nothing is done that is graphic intensive it's np. So its either the overheating or the not enough power..right? But if it was the power wouldn't it already stop running? Or it draws power differently based on what it needs to do? Like more graphics = more power drawn?

 

[imported_FishTaco]

Originally posted by: tkdromeo
My little brother has been home from school since 3:30 and he turned it on, it's still running np. So that's about an hour of working. It seems as long as nothing is done that is graphic intensive it's np. So its either the overheating or the not enough power..right? But if it was the power wouldn't it already stop running? Or it draws power differently based on what it needs to do? Like more graphics = more power drawn?

It draws more power and gets hotter when its doing lots of 3d graphics.

 

[dclive]

300W is plenty. I ran (with a 300W LiteOn PSU) the following:
1 Q6600 quad-core CPU
4 500GB HDDs
4 x 1GB sticks of RAM
1 Dual-tuner card
1 single-tuner card
nVidia 8800GTS/320
...I'm sure I had a few more things in there...

Worked great. Don't buy into the hype of needing crazy PSUs. Read Anandtech's reviews (not the forums) to see what they actually measured 8800GTX systems as needing (300-400W is more than enough for a GTX; for a GTS or GT, it's way more than enough.

I'd say return the thing and get a more normal setup (gotapex.com showcases Dell deals...22" LCD + desktop for $600 isn't hard to get...) - $1100 for a computer these days is a *lot*. Given that you aren't super comfortable replacing hardware, I'd strongly suggest you buy a pre-made PC from a major vendor (Dell, HP-Compaq, Acer, Gateway, etc.) Gateway has a Q6600 box for $700 or so at OfficeDepot, or at least had it a little while ago... Acer has a great E700 model (which I bought - look above) ... works great.

Replacing a PCIe card is nothing special - you shouldn't have a problem with it. That you do suggests to me the machine has an issue; return it and get one that doesn't have the problem. There is such a thing as fair use...it's not as if you dropped it.

 

[MonKENy]

well let us know how things are going. Did you try opening the case and running fans @ 100%?

 

[tkdromeo]

Ok i'm home now, sorry about the long wait, traffic killed me, and then TKD right after, i didn't have time to sit down with this. I opened the case, took out the tooner card, switched the PCI-E jacks from the PSU, downloaded the ATI tool but it doesn't have the option for the fan control...

 

[tkdromeo]

As a matter of fact, the Set Clock, and Max Core and Max Mem buttons are not clickable, it said something about Administrator when i started it up....

 

[MonKENy]

ill DL it and see if I can figure it out

 

[MonKENy]

Originally posted by: tkdromeo
As a matter of fact, the Set Clock, and Max Core and Max Mem buttons are not clickable, it said something about Administrator when i started it up....

it doesnt matter, this prog doesnt measure the temp of the card at all that I can see. its some kind of speed manager.