I came here illegally

[SoylentG]

I'm assistant manager of a restaurant. We have all illegal cooks. We've had a sign up saying that we're hiring cooks for the past year that I've been there (they tell me it's always been up). You know how many legal citizens have applied for the job? 1. And she was a dropout, came in wearing dirty, but expensive clothes, slouching, and was rude. Oh yeah, not to mention she was a felon. How many illegal people have applied during this last year? Somewhere around 15. We closed for the illegal immigrant protest bullcrap (I was totally opposed to it personally), and we got a sign on our door saying that we should be boycotted because we're denying jobs to legal citizens to employ illegal aliens. It was pretty ignorant, and they taped it to our glass door. It actually damaged the sign that's affixed to the window (a glorified sticker, I don't know how to describe it otherwise), and it cost us around $200 for another one to get made and affixed for us. How wonderful it is.

I'd gladly fire someone who's illegal on the spot for a legal applicant who had reasonable qualifications. But that hasn't happened yet.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: gersson
If you were in control of policy, what would you do to solve the border/illegal alien problem?

Giant-ass coast-to-coast fence(electrified, subterranian, as impenetrable as possible), and super-harsh penalties for trying to cross. I'm not sure what the penalty would be. Require all trucks crossing the border either way to be fitted with a high-flow nozzle, to flush the truck completely with inert gas. Mandatory bi-lingual signs warning anyone who might want to enter the trailer that riding across in a trailer = death. Death penalty for repeat smugglers. After we minimize the flow, deport like crazy and blacklist anyone who came illegally or attempted to from legal entry.

No guest work.

Edit: Start to look into limiting job-exporting, e.g. phone centers.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: gersson
If you were in control of policy, what would you do to solve the border/illegal alien problem?

Giant-ass coast-to-coast fence(electrified, subterranian, as impenetrable as possible), and super-harsh penalties for trying to cross. I'm not sure what the penalty would be. Require all trucks crossing the border either way to be fitted with a high-flow nozzle, to flush the truck completely with inert gas. Mandatory bi-lingual signs warning anyone who might want to enter the trailer that riding across in a trailer = death. Death penalty for repeat smugglers. After we minimize the flow, deport like crazy and blacklist anyone who came illegally or attempted to from legal entry.

No guest work.

Edit: Start to look into limiting job-exporting, e.g. phone centers.

Perhaps we should institute a Heinlein-esque policy, and make everyone serve in the military to become a citizen. Then we could stop with these ridiculous flaming cheerio obstructions.

As for soylentG, I would imagine if the position offered more money, you would get more applicants to sift through. I know back in CA, In & Out burger paid almost double(?) minimum wage so there was never a shortage of people for those positions it seemed.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I came here legally.

I was BORN here LEGALLY

:thumbsup:

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: SoylentG
I'm assistant manager of a restaurant. We have all illegal cooks. We've had a sign up saying that we're hiring cooks for the past year that I've been there (they tell me it's always been up). You know how many legal citizens have applied for the job? 1. And she was a dropout, came in wearing dirty, but expensive clothes, slouching, and was rude. Oh yeah, not to mention she was a felon. How many illegal people have applied during this last year? Somewhere around 15. We closed for the illegal immigrant protest bullcrap (I was totally opposed to it personally), and we got a sign on our door saying that we should be boycotted because we're denying jobs to legal citizens to employ illegal aliens. It was pretty ignorant, and they taped it to our glass door. It actually damaged the sign that's affixed to the window (a glorified sticker, I don't know how to describe it otherwise), and it cost us around $200 for another one to get made and affixed for us. How wonderful it is.

I'd gladly fire someone who's illegal on the spot for a legal applicant who had reasonable qualifications. But that hasn't happened yet.

You make me sick....you complain that where you work can't find workers.....how bout raising your wages then? I'm sure your benefit packages suck and it's cheaper for you to hire illegals.......Of course noone is going to apply to wash dishes at minimu
m wage (or close to it) unless they're illegal..........It's called supply and demand........
Your company should be fined and alot more than $200.......where do you work by the way? My cousin works for the INS and I'd like to show him this.........

 

[Dacalo]

My famiy immigrated here legally, we had to wait 5 years for the process. That was when I was 9 (now 26).

I see nothing wrong with your situation, although you got here illegally. Although we had to wait 5 years, it also gave us the right to become US citizens, which I am one. I hope something works out for you, and as some mentioned already, I think your little brother could do something about that once he becomes a certain age.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: gersson
If you were in control of policy, what would you do to solve the border/illegal alien problem?

A 50 foot concrete wall with a .50cal sniper tower every 100 yards behind a very deep, very fast moving river filled with pirahna and hungry gators which would be behind a thousand yards of heavy mine field. Snipers have "fire at will" orders.

Every person coming into the states *must* have a valid passport and *cannot* stay longer than 2 weeks without a temporary visa which must be sponsored by a business that's existed longer than 20 years and the person being sponsored *must* be here to work at a business OTHER THAN the one sponsoring them. If they lose that job, they're out until they can get another visa. The visas will be one year and *NOT* be renewed without leaving the country for six months before applying again if preceedings toward citizenship are not started before the end of the 1-year work visa.

I fvcking hate illegals.

Your plan would only work if EVERYONE in the country had an electronic ID and were required to "Show Papers" to the corner enforcement officer.

Would you like that?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: gersson
If you were in control of policy, what would you do to solve the border/illegal alien problem?

Giant-ass coast-to-coast fence(electrified, subterranian, as impenetrable as possible), and super-harsh penalties for trying to cross. I'm not sure what the penalty would be. Require all trucks crossing the border either way to be fitted with a high-flow nozzle, to flush the truck completely with inert gas. Mandatory bi-lingual signs warning anyone who might want to enter the trailer that riding across in a trailer = death. Death penalty for repeat smugglers. After we minimize the flow, deport like crazy and blacklist anyone who came illegally or attempted to from legal entry.

No guest work.

Edit: Start to look into limiting job-exporting, e.g. phone centers.

Wow thank god nutjobs like you and Nik aren't in power

 

[OutHouse]

Email forward that i happen to like.

Dear Editor:

So many letter writers have based their arguments
on how this land is made up of immigrants.
Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down
the Statute of Liberty because the people now in
question aren't being treated the same as those who
passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and
point out to people like Mr.Lujan why today's American
is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant
any longer.

Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all
areas of Europe to come to the United States, people
had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in
New York and be documented. Some would even get
down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground.
They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support
their new country in good and bad times. They made
learning English a primary rule in their new American
households and some even changed their names to blend
in with their new home.They had waved good bye to
their birth place to give their children a new life
and did everything in their power to help their
children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was
handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare,no labor
laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and
craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for
a future of prosperity.

Most of their children came of age when World War
II broke out. My father fought along side men whose
parents had come straight over from Germany,Italy,
France and Japan. None of these 1st generation
Americans ever gave any thought about what country
their parents had come from. They were Americans
fighting Hilter, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan.
They were defending the United States of America as
one people. When we liberated France, no one in those
villages were looking for the French-American or the
German American or the Irish American. The people of
France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag
that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant
sons would have thought about picking up another
country's flag and waving it to represent who they
were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents
who had sacrificed so much to be here.

These immigrants truly knew what it meant to
be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one
red, white and blue bowl.And here we are in 2006 with
a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and
privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing
with a different set of rules, one that includes the
entitlement card and aguarantee of being faithful to
their mother country. I'm sorry, that's not what
being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants
who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900s deserve
better than that for all the toil, hard work and
sacrifice in raising future generations to create a
land that has become a beacon for those legally
searching for a better life.


I think they would be appalled that they are
being used as an example by those waving foreign
country flags.

And for that suggestion about taking down the
Statute of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the
citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I
wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United
States just yet.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: SoylentG
I'm assistant manager of a restaurant. We have all illegal cooks. We've had a sign up saying that we're hiring cooks for the past year that I've been there (they tell me it's always been up). You know how many legal citizens have applied for the job? 1. And she was a dropout, came in wearing dirty, but expensive clothes, slouching, and was rude. Oh yeah, not to mention she was a felon. How many illegal people have applied during this last year? Somewhere around 15. We closed for the illegal immigrant protest bullcrap (I was totally opposed to it personally), and we got a sign on our door saying that we should be boycotted because we're denying jobs to legal citizens to employ illegal aliens. It was pretty ignorant, and they taped it to our glass door. It actually damaged the sign that's affixed to the window (a glorified sticker, I don't know how to describe it otherwise), and it cost us around $200 for another one to get made and affixed for us. How wonderful it is.

I'd gladly fire someone who's illegal on the spot for a legal applicant who had reasonable qualifications. But that hasn't happened yet.

The question is, what do you pay your cooks? is it a absurd wage that only illegals will work for?

Edit: i hope your management gets fined out the ass for breaking the law.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Looney
Your rig can pay for your citizenship.

I knew someone would point that out.

:-D

I worked like a dog for my PC. I don't even own a car...
I'm not dirt poor. my father makes 50k a year my mom makes 11 and I make...about 9k.

Why not go for your citizenship then?

^^^^^ ?!?

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Looney
Your rig can pay for your citizenship.

I knew someone would point that out.

:-D

I worked like a dog for my PC. I don't even own a car...
I'm not dirt poor. my father makes 50k a year my mom makes 11 and I make...about 9k.

Why not go for your citizenship then?

^^^^^ ?!?

Because it is impossible for me. I am not a permanent resident. I am a temporary worker So me becoming a citizen has everything to do with what happens with the current bill. They have re-newed my work permit for a long while now. Double edged sword. Though I get to stay here, it increasingly becomes harder for me if they tell my family its time to leave.

When the government gets tired of re-newing my Work Permit I will either have to leave or stay here illegally...

If I could I would just pay the money NOW and forget the whole deal.

 

[ngvepforever2]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Looney
Your rig can pay for your citizenship.

I knew someone would point that out.

:-D

I worked like a dog for my PC. I don't even own a car...
I'm not dirt poor. my father makes 50k a year my mom makes 11 and I make...about 9k.

Why not go for your citizenship then?

^^^^^ ?!?

Because it is impossible for me. I am not a permanent resident. I am a temporary worker So me becoming a citizen has everything to do with what happens with the current bill. They have re-newed my work permit for a long while now. Double edged sword. Though I get to stay here, it increasingly becomes harder for me if they tell my family its time to leave.

When the government gets tired of re-newing my Work Permit I will either have to leave or stay here illegally...

If I could I would just pay the money NOW and forget the whole deal.

see...this is what I don't understand. Why does BCIS do this? It's really stupid if you ask me, you have had a a work permit for 9 years now (I think it's the same with the salvadorians) and they don't allow you to apply for permanent residency. I don't understand what the govt. is expecting you to do when they stopped providing the work permits after giving you one for 9 years. Do they expect you to go back? to stay illegally? As I mentioned earlier, we do need an immigration reform that first will take care of all the people that are here legally but without a greencard(with work permits for instance) and then after they have their situation fixed and only then should the illegals be able to gain legal residency. Two things should happen though. First, the TPS program should be eliminated and the people currently on it should be given the option of staying legally or going back. Second, BCIS should really start taking care of all their backlog. All of the people that immigrated here can agree with me that BCIS can really take years and years to process a simple application, not because the process is supossed to take that long but because they just stack the applications until they decide it's time to start working and give the applications a look. I should know since my mom had to wait a good time for her application to be processed (she just recently let me know how costly and hard on her the whole process was).

Regards

ng

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Looney
Your rig can pay for your citizenship.

I knew someone would point that out.

:-D

I worked like a dog for my PC. I don't even own a car...
I'm not dirt poor. my father makes 50k a year my mom makes 11 and I make...about 9k.

Why not go for your citizenship then?

^^^^^ ?!?

Because it is impossible for me. I am not a permanent resident. I am a temporary worker So me becoming a citizen has everything to do with what happens with the current bill. They have re-newed my work permit for a long while now. Double edged sword. Though I get to stay here, it increasingly becomes harder for me if they tell my family its time to leave.

When the government gets tired of re-newing my Work Permit I will either have to leave or stay here illegally...

If I could I would just pay the money NOW and forget the whole deal.

see...this is what I don't understand. Why does BCIS do this? It's really stupid if you ask me, you have had a a work permit for 9 years now (I think it's the same with the salvadorians) and they don't allow you to apply for permanent residency. I don't understand what the govt. is expecting you to do when they stopped providing the work permits after giving you one for 9 years. Do they expect you to go back? to stay illegally? As I mentioned earlier, we do need an immigration reform that first will take care of all the people that are here legally but without a greencard(with work permits for instance) and then after they have their situation fixed and only then should the illegals be able to gain legal residency. Two things should happen though. First, the TPS program should be eliminated and the people currently on it should be given the option of staying legally or going back. Second, BCIS should really start taking care of all their backlog. All of the people that immigrated here can agree with me that BCIS can really take years and years to process a simple application, not because the process is supossed to take that long but because they just stack the applications until they decide it's time to start working and give the applications a look. I should know since my mom had to wait a good time for her application to be processed (she just recently let me know how costly and hard on her the whole process was).

Regards

ng

You seem to have a great grip on this issue. I am indeed a beneficiary of the TPS program. I am glad to have it but something should be said of how slow they are to process my application (costs me money, btw). My currect TPS expires July of this Year. I already sent my application last month and it will 99% get approved. However, my card usually comes in like in Summer of 2007. Until then all I have are a card that says that my stay here is expired and an easily forgeable paper they tell me to print.

4 years ago when I went to get my license, I spent 5 hrs in line only to get turned down despite having my official print.

-_-

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: batmang

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Looney
Your rig can pay for your citizenship.

I knew someone would point that out.

:-D

I worked like a dog for my PC. I don't even own a car...
I'm not dirt poor. my father makes 50k a year my mom makes 11 and I make...about 9k.

Why not go for your citizenship then?

^^^^^ ?!?

Because it is impossible for me. I am not a permanent resident. I am a temporary worker So me becoming a citizen has everything to do with what happens with the current bill. They have re-newed my work permit for a long while now. Double edged sword. Though I get to stay here, it increasingly becomes harder for me if they tell my family its time to leave.

When the government gets tired of re-newing my Work Permit I will either have to leave or stay here illegally...

If I could I would just pay the money NOW and forget the whole deal.

see...this is what I don't understand. Why does BCIS do this? It's really stupid if you ask me, you have had a a work permit for 9 years now (I think it's the same with the salvadorians) and they don't allow you to apply for permanent residency. I don't understand what the govt. is expecting you to do when they stopped providing the work permits after giving you one for 9 years. Do they expect you to go back? to stay illegally? As I mentioned earlier, we do need an immigration reform that first will take care of all the people that are here legally but without a greencard(with work permits for instance) and then after they have their situation fixed and only then should the illegals be able to gain legal residency. Two things should happen though. First, the TPS program should be eliminated and the people currently on it should be given the option of staying legally or going back. Second, BCIS should really start taking care of all their backlog. All of the people that immigrated here can agree with me that BCIS can really take years and years to process a simple application, not because the process is supossed to take that long but because they just stack the applications until they decide it's time to start working and give the applications a look. I should know since my mom had to wait a good time for her application to be processed (she just recently let me know how costly and hard on her the whole process was).

Regards

ng

What the hell is BCIS? You must mean USCIS which is their name of the month lol. BCIS USCIS INS RSSIS ERSCIS have to be some of the most incompetent people ever. The system is so broken it's not even funny. You wouldn't believe the hassle I've had to go through for my wife.

 

[Danadcorps]

To the OP,
I understand where you're coming from and yea, 10k is a lot. I think a better option for you would be to go to school as a F-1 student (remember to get internships and file for opt) and then get a job from a company who is willing to sponsor you (you'd get an education, a higher-paying job, and a patch towards citizenship this way ).

Citrix, if you ever bothered to read about the history of race-relations in the United Stats you'd know that most of what was said in that e-mail is bullshit.

OP, i hope you can overlook the bigots here and i hope that everything works out for your family.

My family lives paycheck to paycheck b/c of all the debt my father left us with when he ditched us so it'll be a bit of a setback to raise 2k for my mom. My bro and i are following the path i described above, (his company is applying for hsi h-1 and i am still an f-1).

As for your credit situation, dude thats one of the most improtant things to have in this counrty. My mom taught us that very early on and our credit rating is extremely good for the limited amount of time that we've had it (btw, im 20 and i get a lot of platinum offers). Research on how to build up your credit and get to work on it ASAP.

 

[smut]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: gersson


Before my story, 2 things.

I am humbled to be able to now legally work here, and my parents aren't the brightest people...

In 1989, I was 5 yrs old. My father was 28 and my mother 24. My crazy brother was 3

-I came here from a San Pedro Sula, Honduras slum.
-Everyone is always talking about America this, America that in central america. My parents figured that they'd try making the journey over here.

As of 1997, I am here legally, can work here, go to school, pay taxes, etc. But it is only a work permit.

My parents are otherwise law abiding people who pay taxes and work honestly (contruction and cleaning -- surprise!)

Given recent events, I began to think about the morality of granting illegal aliens and other non residents a path to citizenship.

Funny thing is I think that I shouldn't get automatic citizenship for coming here illegally!

I think it's morally incorrect to reward bad behavior. On the other hand, man I would love to be able to be here permanently. I couldn't imagine living in Honduras after English is basically my primary language (my spanish is not as good since it's not taught in school).

I'm 23 now and my bro is 21. He's more typical of the issue -- gimme! Another factor is I have another brother who was born here. He's a smart kid; age 14. He speaks spanish like a puerto rican (hard to understand!).

To be able to be here legally, I have to pay 250 every year. Multiply that by 4 and that's a grand! That's a lot of money for my family. Actually 2 Christmas ago was really sad since we gave up presents in order to pay (I got a box of CD markers...still going strong!)

There are plans for a citizenship fee of $2000 ... steep for us.. that's $10,000 for my family! I woulnd't call that amnesty that's for sure!

:Q

Anyway, this is getting long. Ask questions as you see fit. I just wanted to tell a story. I know some people here have some strong opinions about illegal immigration and such. Hope I can add a bit to the considerations.

Um. Yet you have a computer that's probably worth several thousand dollars, and you can't afford to pay your immigrant status?

What's wrong with this picture?

dude, where the fvck do some of you people buy computer parts at? That rig is not worth several thousand dollars and not even close to the person BITCHING about people BITCHING about plasma TVs and $4000 computers. Again, show me where this guy said he had a plasma TV and show me the computer he has worth $4000 as well? PLEASE, you used it for your argument, back it up with facts,

Total for computer is a little bit over 2,000 at newegg. Less adding in rebates and even several hundred less if he got the parts used (probably $1600-1700). Hardly SEVERAL (which means 3+) thousand or $4,000 as another said.

Leave the guy alone, you act like he JUST built this computer after finding out how much citizenship may cost. He built it before and I highly doubt he would have built such a nice rig if he knew it was gonna cost around 2 grand to become a citizen. I'm sure he would have used some of the money towards citizenship. As others have said before this new bill citizenship cost at most a few hundred dollars. Hes a law abiding citizen (from what I can see), works for a living and builds his OWN computer with his OWN money which is alot more then some people can say. Hell, some people here have had their parents buy their car, apartment, computer and are paying for your college tuition. He wasnt complaining, he just explaining his situation. Alot of people here have never had to work a day in their life so their not accustomed to working for what they have. Been given handouts their whole life. I feel your pain man, not everyone has a rich family and can ask mommy or daddy for 2 grand. Keep workin on it man and save up, you'll become a citizen soon enough and you'll have no one to thank but yourself, especially not some of these clowns.

 

[JASANITY]

people wonder why the illegal immigrants from South America have kids that are in gangs and break the law? Its because they believe they are above the law to begin with since they are constantly breaking the law by staying here... that said, we do need the cheap labor from the parents, but maybe we could just send the kids back =)

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: gersson
If you were in control of policy, what would you do to solve the border/illegal alien problem?

A 50 foot concrete wall with a .50cal sniper tower every 100 yards behind a very deep, very fast moving river filled with pirahna and hungry gators which would be behind a thousand yards of heavy mine field. Snipers have "fire at will" orders.

Every person coming into the states *must* have a valid passport and *cannot* stay longer than 2 weeks without a temporary visa which must be sponsored by a business that's existed longer than 20 years and the person being sponsored *must* be here to work at a business OTHER THAN the one sponsoring them. If they lose that job, they're out until they can get another visa. The visas will be one year and *NOT* be renewed without leaving the country for six months before applying again if preceedings toward citizenship are not started before the end of the 1-year work visa.

I fvcking hate illegals.

Your plan would only work if EVERYONE in the country had an electronic ID and were required to "Show Papers" to the corner enforcement officer.

Would you like that?

To get rid of these scumbags? You bet your ass I'd be ready and willing.