I can't decide! 970 vs 390 vs PS4

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Actaeon

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What? There are tons of couch CO-OP games on the PC. I'd argue right now outside of Wii/Wii U, PC has more couch CO-OP games than PS4+Xbone combined. They took out couch CO-OP from Halo 5 (which basically made the game useless to me since the GF and I played through MCC together.)

Pretty much every console game with couch CO-OP also supports it on PC. Only thing I'll give you is that, yes, it isn't as easy as consoles plug and play. But it's definitely there. Here is a good site if you are ever looking for games to play with the girlfriend (as someone who does a lot of CO-OPing with his significant other, it's very useful).

http://www.co-optimus.com/games.php

EDIT: I'd also like to add thanks to Emulators, we also enjoy games we played as kids together. Nothing beats a good session of original TMNT: Turtles in Time (with the awesome original soundtrack) then playing it with the person you love (even if they suck balls at it haha).

Thanks for the site. I looked up Borderlands, the series we are currently couch co-oping. Sadly none of them are couch co-opable on PC. I'll cross check this site when buying games on a platform, but it really is super easy to just turn on the controller, sign in, and start gaming. PC is a little more work but worth it for some games.
 

3DVagabond

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I'd get a 290 or a PS4 and wait for the next gen. I'd also be concerned with Maxwell (970) Performance tanking once Pascal comes out.
 

railven

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Thanks for the site. I looked up Borderlands, the series we are currently couch co-oping. Sadly none of them are couch co-opable on PC. I'll cross check this site when buying games on a platform, but it really is super easy to just turn on the controller, sign in, and start gaming. PC is a little more work but worth it for some games.

Yeah, some shooters do have split-screen built in, very few do unfortunately. I'm surprised Gears of War: Ultimate kept it in, since I don't recall the original PC version having split screen.

Seeing some videos of it, XBone can't handle that game in Split screen. Woof!
 

tential

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What? There are tons of couch CO-OP games on the PC. I'd argue right now outside of Wii/Wii U, PC has more couch CO-OP games than PS4+Xbone combined. They took out couch CO-OP from Halo 5 (which basically made the game useless to me since the GF and I played through MCC together.)

Pretty much every console game with couch CO-OP also supports it on PC. Only thing I'll give you is that, yes, it isn't as easy as consoles plug and play. But it's definitely there. Here is a good site if you are ever looking for games to play with the girlfriend (as someone who does a lot of CO-OPing with his significant other, it's very useful).

http://www.co-optimus.com/games.php

EDIT: I'd also like to add thanks to Emulators, we also enjoy games we played as kids together. Nothing beats a good session of original TMNT: Turtles in Time (with the awesome original soundtrack) then playing it with the person you love (even if they suck balls at it haha).


I think he means SplitScreen.

Borderlands was my favorite CoOp experience, but thanks for that site, bookmarking so I can play games with my bro now.

Edit: When you factor in emulators though, Dolphin Emulator gets more time than anything else so far on my PC for gaming.
 
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happy medium

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GTX970 for $235
R9 390 for $220
R9 290 for $180
Each of these cards runs cool too so you do not need to worry about temperatures, etc.

The cards temps are ok but the 100watts of extra power/ heat from the 290/390 is dumped into your case/room. Lets not forget that.
 

RussianSensation

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The cards temps are ok but the 100watts of extra power/ heat from the 290/390 is dumped into your case/room. Lets not forget that.

That is true, but I would still buy a $180 card with performance ~ 390/970 and spend the difference on PC games, or put aside $120 towards a next gen GPU upgrade or since the OP wants a PS4, he has $120 towards PS4 slim. In my recommendation, going with a 290 would have provided him the possibility of killing 2 birds with 1 stone: upgrading his PC to get 90%+ of the performance of the 970/390, while getting him that much closer to a PS4 once it has more exclusive support. Also, if you notice, I noted that if the OP could sell the NV gaming coupon, then the MSI 970 could have dropped much closer to $200.

It's a moot point though as all 3 of the choices I provided are now sold out.

The cheapest 970 I can find after $25 AMEX discount is $245, but if the OP games with closed headphones on or loud speakers, it's still possible to pick up an R9 290 for $175. That's a big difference in price because it means by 2016 if PS4 drops to $249.99 on Black Friday, the OP will have $125 extra to use towards it
 

Eric1987

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I feel a lot of PC gamers pushed PC gaming on console folkls saying how much better it is, how steam sales save you money in the long run... (lol.... I can't believe people actually believe this it's so hilarious), etc.

PC gaming isn't cheap, it requires more VC upgrades to stay current than just having a console which doesn't change. If you simply want to just play fun games, a console is where it's at.

I've always held that PC gaming should be reserved for those who want to play lol/cs/dota2/mmos/etc. Those who can't stand console graphics. And those who want to competitive game.

If all you do is just play games, especially single player, and aren't huge on graphics, I have 0 idea what you're doing on PC. Sadly, that describes a lot of new PC gamers who just had PC gaming shoved down their throats on online forums/internet

Are you awake? Sales on games saves me a TON of money vs consoles.
 

RussianSensation

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I feel a lot of PC gamers pushed PC gaming on console folkls saying how much better it is, how steam sales save you money in the long run... (lol.... I can't believe people actually believe this it's so hilarious), etc.

PC gaming isn't cheap, it requires more VC upgrades to stay current than just having a console which doesn't change.

- You only need a Core i3/FX6300 + HD7870 (R9 270 = $90) to deliver better gaming performance than a PS4 for the entirety of this console generation. If you choose to upgrade the graphics card for extra performance or IQ, it's your choice but not a requirement.

- Over 5-7 years of the console generation, + PSN/XB Live fees, PC gaming is not more expensive than console gaming. I would argue it's cheaper if someone buys a lot of games.

Side note: Don't you think it's a bit unreasonable to ignore that console gaming also means buying a living room TV for a lot of people? For 20+ year olds who moved out of their parents' house and do not have a TV, don't forget to add the cost of a living room TV to your console. In many instances it's far cheaper to purchase a PC monitor for games than to buy even a half-decent TV.
 

railven

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Side note: Don't you think it's a bit unreasonable to ignore that console gaming also means buying a living room TV for a lot of people? For 20+ year olds who moved out of their parents' house and do not have a TV, don't forget to add the cost of a living room TV to your console. In many instances it's far cheaper to purchase a PC monitor for games than to buy even a half-decent TV.

Is that common? I moved out of my mom's house with furniture! Living room set, two televisions, and a bedroom set. Then again, mother stop coddling me when I was 14 and started working haha.
 

Actaeon

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Yeah, some shooters do have split-screen built in, very few do unfortunately. I'm surprised Gears of War: Ultimate kept it in, since I don't recall the original PC version having split screen.

Seeing some videos of it, XBone can't handle that game in Split screen. Woof!

GOW:U for Xbox is on our list to play once we're through Borderlands but from the footage I've seen the game looks quite good and smooth.

PC's are great and I love mine. I just spent almost 2x on a 980 Ti than what I spent on the entire Xbox . But the Xbox does simplify and make jumping into a game very easy while offering a good experience. It is nice to just 'plug and play'. The PC can offer a better experience, but is often more work. There is a place for both in my home.
 

Actaeon

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Not to mention free games.

Tons of free and discounted games on console too...

If you own an Xbox One, you get four free games a month through Xbox Live (two 360 games, two X1 games). They just gave away Tomb Raider and MGS5. Thief is free in two weeks. There are plenty of other great games too. Just by playing GOW:Ultimate (buy or borrow a friends), MS will give you codes for the four Xbox 360 GOW games for free. Basically you get the entire franchise at no to very low cost.

Deals with Gold also give Steam-like sales. I picked up Shadow of Mordor GOTY for $16 months before it ever got that cheap on Steam. I picked up the recent two Wolfenstein games at $16 for both. EA access costs $30 a year and you get access to a catalog of EA games. Battlefield 4 & Hardline, EA Sports titles, Dragon Age Inquisition, Titanfall and more.

If you buy physical games, you can trade them in, swap, borrow, or resell, something you can't easily do with Steam keys.

Anyway, the point I'm getting to is that Consoles have many of the same discounts you see on PC and even some benefits PCs can't get. The cost of gaming on console is very competitive with PC.
 

tential

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Is that common? I moved out of my mom's house with furniture! Living room set, two televisions, and a bedroom set. Then again, mother stop coddling me when I was 14 and started working haha.

I left home with my clothes. I couldn't bring my TV, 70 inch HDTV doesn't really fit anywhere. Still not sure how/when I'll get it.

But I mean, most people guys in my frat house had a TV in their room, no monitor. So they'd already have a TV. Most dudes in general in college had a TV in their room. I didn't have a real monitor though. So I used my newly built gaming PC with my TV, then with my projector. Buying a monitor would make it so I could use it for webbrowsing/gaming and I can already webbrowse on a laptop, phone, or on a projector which I'm doing right now. Or, I could buy a projector/HDTV, and webbrowse/game/watch TV with guests/play console game split screen/smash without needing to hunch around a monitor.

So a monitor for me is a luxury purchase as it doesn't really add much for me at all. It's only now that monitor's have freesync/gsync, that I was worried, but import screens now have taken care of this issue. I'm curious to see if Pascal/Arctic Islands support a newer version of DP or not and whether we'll see 4K sets that do beyond 60 hz soon. I really would prefer to get a 4K monitor that does 80-90 hz. I think with the knowledge of higher refresh monitors being more and more common, I can't stand 60hz anymore lol.


- You only need a Core i3/FX6300 + HD7870 (R9 270 = $90) to deliver better gaming performance than a PS4 for the entirety of this console generation. If you choose to upgrade the graphics card for extra performance or IQ, it's your choice but not a requirement.

- Over 5-7 years of the console generation, + PSN/XB Live fees, PC gaming is not more expensive than console gaming. I would argue it's cheaper if someone buys a lot of games.

Side note: Don't you think it's a bit unreasonable to ignore that console gaming also means buying a living room TV for a lot of people? For 20+ year olds who moved out of their parents' house and do not have a TV, don't forget to add the cost of a living room TV to your console. In many instances it's far cheaper to purchase a PC monitor for games than to buy even a half-decent TV.

With the hassle that comes with figuring out the perfect settings for each game to achieve console settings that don't dip all the time. Setting Triple Buffered Vsync to smooth gameplay out which means learning to use Radeon Pro if you're using AMD since it's not in the normal drivers, why? I do not know. I really don't.

And I had a TV when I moved out. Most people did actually. Most kids in college had a TV. Most didn't have a desktop/monitor, so that would be a whole new purchase but I think that's besides the point.

For the subscriptions though, that's true. You do have a yearly subscription, but I think that pays for itself now with the free games. I stopped subscribing to Xbox Live before that started and it was definitely worth the cost for Xbox Live for the service, and now with free games? It's a far better deal than when I got it.

Tons of free and discounted games on console too...

If you own an Xbox One, you get four free games a month through Xbox Live (two 360 games, two X1 games). They just gave away Tomb Raider and MGS5. Thief is free in two weeks. There are plenty of other great games too. Just by playing GOW:Ultimate (buy or borrow a friends), MS will give you codes for the four Xbox 360 GOW games for free. Basically you get the entire franchise at no to very low cost.

Deals with Gold also give Steam-like sales. I picked up Shadow of Mordor GOTY for $16 months before it ever got that cheap on Steam. I picked up the recent two Wolfenstein games at $16 for both. EA access costs $30 a year and you get access to a catalog of EA games. Battlefield 4 & Hardline, EA Sports titles, Dragon Age Inquisition, Titanfall and more.

If you buy physical games, you can trade them in, swap, borrow, or resell, something you can't easily do with Steam keys.

Anyway, the point I'm getting to is that Consoles have many of the same discounts you see on PC and even some benefits PCs can't get. The cost of gaming on console is very competitive with PC.

When people use the Steam Sales Argument, it's $60 console vs steam sales. I've NEVER paid $60 for a console game anymore. I've gotten many console games within 2 weeks of release for $30 from rebates/deals/AMEX statement credit deals.
Also, from what I've seen, people "save" money, and buy tons of games they never end up playing with Steam sales. PC Gamers have libraries that are MASSIVE. But I also don't know how many games a console gamer or gamer buys during the life span of a console. I buy like 10..... maybe 15 tops.

My Wii U is just an expensive smash playing machine after all. I always imagined though that console gamers bought less games with how large PC gamers libraries are on Steam, but I don't know.
 
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monstercameron

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I have a PC and Xbox One. I didn't buy a PS4 because there aren't really any good exclusive games on it. Sad but true. I picked up the Xbox One primarily for exclusives and co-op couch gaming with my girlfriend so we can play together. Co-op gaming on the couch is almost non-existant on PC and the Xbox One makes it very easy for us to play together. I've been very satisfied with my Xbox One so far. The newest Tomb Raider looks beautiful.

For a game on available on both platforms, I usually buy whatever is cheaper, though sometimes if a game is better suited for one platform, I'll buy it there instead. For example, Fallout 4 is a natural fit on the PC. But for a game like Titanfall or Call of Duty, it seems like a better fit for console since the online user base is larger.
How are you enjoying coop couch halo...sorry I just had to.
 

Actaeon

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For the subscriptions though, that's true. You do have a yearly subscription, but I think that pays for itself now with the free games. I stopped subscribing to Xbox Live before that started and it was definitely worth the cost for Xbox Live for the service, and now with free games? It's a far better deal than when I got it.

Can't speak for the Playstation side, but you can get Xbox Live for just $30/year from cdkeys.com. $2.50/month is very fair considering the free games you get each month.

When people use the Steam Sales Argument, it's $60 console vs steam sales. I've NEVER paid $60 for a console game anymore. I've gotten many console games within 2 weeks of release for $30 from rebates/deals/AMEX statement credit deals.

Yup. All big releases are the same price on PC as Console. Battlefront, Fallout 4, GTA5, Witcher 3, etc. All are $60 at launch. There is no magical PC discount.

Just like being smart about a Steam deal you can be smart about console deals too. I picked up FO4 (PC), COD:BO3 (XO), and Rise of Tomb Raider (XO) for just $90 combined through the recent Target sale. Brand new releases at half off. I wouldn't have paid full price for any of them on either platform. These games will go on sale in a month anyway or a reseller will have some type of store wide discount you can apply to a game.

Also for monitor vs TV, as long as the monitor has HDMI, it'll work on a console too. Just a matter of how big you want to go and the price you want to pay. You don't need a big TV to play a console, just like you don't need a monitor to play on a PC (I use my TV).
 

tential

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Can't speak for the Playstation side, but you can get Xbox Live for just $30/year from cdkeys.com. $2.50/month is very fair considering the free games you get each month.



Yup. All big releases are the same price on PC as Console. Battlefront, Fallout 4, GTA5, Witcher 3, etc. All are $60 at launch. There is no magical PC discount.

Just like being smart about a Steam deal you can be smart about console deals too. I picked up FO4 (PC), COD:BO3 (XO), and Rise of Tomb Raider (XO) for just $90 combined through the recent Target sale. Brand new releases at half off. I wouldn't have paid full price for any of them on either platform. These games will go on sale in a month anyway or a reseller will have some type of store wide discount you can apply to a game.

Also for monitor vs TV, as long as the monitor has HDMI, it'll work on a console too. Just a matter of how big you want to go and the price you want to pay. You don't need a big TV to play a console, just like you don't need a monitor to play on a PC (I use my TV).

I'm only picking up a monitor because of Freesync. It's a shame Import monitors aren't reviewed at the large sizes (I mean it's nice that they're reviewed at all though), because I'd pick up a 70+ inch monitor if possible. But at this point, the UHD550 seems to be the safest bet in ensuring Freesync will work with my purchase, and actually getting my monitor. Still holding out for news on the Microboard monitor though.
 

Headfoot

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Really? Wtf is with people suggesting consoles to a guy who has a fast CPU and otherwise fast machine except the GPU? Seriously, what bad advice.

Keep playing on the objectively superior PC platform and upgrade. I'd go 390 personally but they're so close its basically a toss up. Whatever has a better deal.
 

96Firebird

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I concur with Headfoot, you have the bones for a decent PC, and a new video card could really wake it up. Flip a coin between the 970 and 390, you probably won't notice a difference between the two.
 

NTMBK

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I feel a lot of PC gamers pushed PC gaming on console folkls saying how much better it is, how steam sales save you money in the long run... (lol.... I can't believe people actually believe this it's so hilarious), etc.

PC gaming isn't cheap, it requires more VC upgrades to stay current than just having a console which doesn't change. If you simply want to just play fun games, a console is where it's at.

I've always held that PC gaming should be reserved for those who want to play lol/cs/dota2/mmos/etc. Those who can't stand console graphics. And those who want to competitive game.

If all you do is just play games, especially single player, and aren't huge on graphics, I have 0 idea what you're doing on PC. Sadly, that describes a lot of new PC gamers who just had PC gaming shoved down their throats on online forums/internet

The main thing for me is that I am sick of throwing out my games every generation, or keeping all my consoles plugged in. Right now on my PC under the TV, I can play games across multiple generations all on the same box- and on older games, I can crank the graphics way up beyond what their console version was ever capable of.
 

railven

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The main thing for me is that I am sick of throwing out my games every generation, or keeping all my consoles plugged in. Right now on my PC under the TV, I can play games across multiple generations all on the same box- and on older games, I can crank the graphics way up beyond what their console version was ever capable of.

With a lot of games that were once only on console or handhelds getting PC versions, I find myself funneling more to my PC and less to my consoles. There will be a point where all that must have Japanese titles are available on PC, and I can't wait.
 

tential

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The main thing for me is that I am sick of throwing out my games every generation, or keeping all my consoles plugged in. Right now on my PC under the TV, I can play games across multiple generations all on the same box- and on older games, I can crank the graphics way up beyond what their console version was ever capable of.

that's why I moved to PC. I had a WiiU, Xbox 360, GC, Playstatiohn, etc etc etc, all hooked up. But my PC did everything, and let me play old games at better graphics, which I don't care about buying games new.

How are you enjoying coop couch halo...sorry I just had to.

So I can't play online CoOP Multiplayer splitscreen? That's part of the reason I first purchased my TV was for playing splitscreen and having enough screen real estate to see.

So.... I guess I'm not getting Halo 5 now.
 
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The main thing for me is that I am sick of throwing out my games every generation, or keeping all my consoles plugged in. Right now on my PC under the TV, I can play games across multiple generations all on the same box- and on older games, I can crank the graphics way up beyond what their console version was ever capable of.


And on top of that there is emulation, that opens up games on every system up till Wii, excluding OG Xbox. And over time all systems will be available, baring some edge cases.
 
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