I can't lift no more

[shortspanishguy]

Hope it works out for you bud.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: SampSon
He is not heavy into weight training so I can't really give you an opinion on how that will affect you. As for him he can do everything he ever did as if the back condition never existed. He said that the back surgery was the best thing that could possibly have happened for him.

That great to hear SampSon.

I really hope and prey my outcome is the same. I just want to be able to train properly.

I'm going to scrap the rest of the year and not lift anything approaching heavy. Just take my time do the rehab and build up very slowly. Do technique work and start my real training in 2007. Hopefully doing it this way gives me the best chances a full recovery that lasts, and not a premature recovery and end up injured again.

Koing

[off to sleep now]

Crap, I had a full post and I accidently closed the window.

I'm sure that after you have the full surgery and go through the full rehab you should be able to train as well as you have ever could. You ALWAYS have to keep in mind that you did have a corrective back surgery and be careful during exercises that put extreme strain on that area. Though surgery or not you can easily injur yourself in extreme weight training. Even the most fit people in the world sustain crippling injuries.

My step-father (and uncle) now does daily exercises and can lift as much, if not more, than he could before the surgery. Part of the problem with his back was that in his middle age he did not exercise on a consistant basis and didn't properly strengthen his back muscles as he should have. Now that he does properly exercise he really has no problem at all.

So good luck with your surgery and remember that the surgery you are getting is being done in a VERY sensitive area and can possibly end up crippling you for life. So count your blessings before you go in and make sure you have a good surgeon.

 

[lavagirl669]

that sucks....hang in there and it will feel really great to get back when you finally can

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
WWYBFYWB???????
WTFBBQ!

You're

1. Not funny
2. Annoying
3. Lame
4. I hate mangos!

No your right, it was a lame post... Didn't read the thread....

For you Koing...

 

[dym]

sorry to hear that, dude

 

[Koing]

Thank you all of AT. Just feels good somehow, even though most of you don't know me but your kind words are greatly appreciated :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: SampSon
Crap, I had a full post and I accidently closed the window.

I'm sure that after you have the full surgery and go through the full rehab you should be able to train as well as you have ever could. You ALWAYS have to keep in mind that you did have a corrective back surgery and be careful during exercises that put extreme strain on that area. Though surgery or not you can easily injur yourself in extreme weight training. Even the most fit people in the world sustain crippling injuries.

My step-father (and uncle) now does daily exercises and can lift as much, if not more, than he could before the surgery. Part of the problem with his back was that in his middle age he did not exercise on a consistant basis and didn't properly strengthen his back muscles as he should have. Now that he does properly exercise he really has no problem at all.

So good luck with your surgery and remember that the surgery you are getting is being done in a VERY sensitive area and can possibly end up crippling you for life. So count your blessings before you go in and make sure you have a good surgeon.

I hate it when that happens.

I have always been careful to warm up, warm down properly. Stretch and to warm up properly before I do any exercises. I always work abs or back (alternate sessions) at the end of every session. Always do things with a straight back and never round back.

I'm seriously hoping and preying I make it out alright and that I can train. The worse thing would be to not be able to train or even have less use after surgery because something went wrong.

Glad that your uncle can do more after surgery :thumbsup:. That is the sort of thing that I need to hear.

Yeah I know surgery has it's pitfalls but hopefully today modern medicine can do a great job on me. The other coaches that don't think I'll ever recovery is definately not comforting my mind. I just hope I have the edge over them with my flexibility and todays surgeons to make a full recovery.

Koing

 

[Fausto]

Damn dude, that SUCKS.

Here's to quick healing. :beer:

 

[Red Dawn]

I had back surgery about 21 years ago and I lift pretty heavy. Unfortunately periodically my back goes out, usually just for a week. The problem stems from scar tissue on my nerve canal on my spine where the disc was removed. All I can do when my back goes out is to take it easy and let it calm down.

Now keep in mind my surgery was done over 20 years ago and they have come a long ways with the procedure.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: SMOKE20
I had three discs fused so I know what you're going through. They will probably want a myelogram before surgery and that is no picnic in itself.

I went into surgery expecting a fusion and probably two....a 3 hour surgery because they open your hip and shave some bone from it for the fusion. What I ended up with was a 5 1/2 hour surgery, three discs fused, the incision on my hip for bone for the fusion plus some bone from the bone bank and 2 8" Titanium Rods and 6 Titanium screws in my back!

Therapy began after 4 weeks and was everyday for 3 months, then 3 times a week for 6 months, then 2 times a weeks for 3 more months.

As mentioned, pain killers can be a blessing and a problem. If I did and still do very little (within my doctors recomondations) I can get by pretty weel without much. If though, I go anywhere beyond their recomondations, it's Darvocet or Vicoden for several days, or, live with as bad/worse pain than before surgery.

I can't complain a whole lot though, as bad as they said it was when they actually got in there, I guess I'm lucky......just sucks to be so limited with what I can do. Just LISTEN to your doctors and therapists or be prepared to pay the price in pain. On the plus side.....I can also tell better than weathermen when it's going to rain/snow since surgery! LOL!

Good Luck!

Wow that sounds harsh. A fusion sounds harder then just cutting a bit of the disc of the spinal column but I REALLY don't know what is more 'complicated'. I'll know more of the actual details when I see the consultants on the 3rd of March. The Chiro has recommended that they do not cut the disc as that is more risky to a full recovery then cutting a bit of the spinal column away.

Lookslike you had a WHOLE lot more stuff that will be done to me though. Looks like you had rehab for a whole year. I'm looking at 6 weeks then taking my time to get myself in training condition.

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I had back surgery about 21 years ago and I lift pretty heavy. Unfortunately periodically my back goes out, usually just for a week. The problem stems from scar tissue on my nerve canal on my spine where the disc was removed. All I can do when my back goes out is to take it easy and let it calm down.

Now keep in mind my surgery was done over 20 years ago and they have come a long ways with the procedure.

Thanks for your input.

What do you mean when your back goes out? Hurts a lot or you just can't do any training on it?

My Chiro thinks the cutting away a bit of the spinal cord is the best option for me also. Hopefully with what they can do now (I have no clue how this technology has come) has gotten better and leaving scar tissue behind isn't such a problem anymore.

Koing

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I had back surgery about 21 years ago and I lift pretty heavy. Unfortunately periodically my back goes out, usually just for a week. The problem stems from scar tissue on my nerve canal on my spine where the disc was removed. All I can do when my back goes out is to take it easy and let it calm down.

Now keep in mind my surgery was done over 20 years ago and they have come a long ways with the procedure.

Thanks for your input.

What do you mean when your back goes out? Hurts a lot or you just can't do any training on it?

My Chiro thinks the cutting away a bit of the spinal cord is the best option for me also. Hopefully with what they can do now (I have no clue how this technology has come) has gotten better and leaving scar tissue behind isn't such a problem anymore.

Koing

Trust mew, they won't be cutting any of your spinal cord. The kind of back injury you have sounds more like a compressed disk or a ruptured dick and todays procedures are way more advanced and less radical then they were when I had mine. I think eventually I will have to go under the knife again to do something about this scar tissue when it becomes too disabling.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Trust mew, they won't be cutting any of your spinal cord. The kind of back injury you have sounds more like a compressed disk or a ruptured dick and todays procedures are way more advanced and less radical then they were when I had mine. I think eventually I will have to go under the knife again to do something about this scar tissue when it becomes too disabling.

lmao

Good luck with everything, Koing.

 

[SMOKE20]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: SMOKE20
I had three discs fused so I know what you're going through. They will probably want a myelogram before surgery and that is no picnic in itself.

I went into surgery expecting a fusion and probably two....a 3 hour surgery because they open your hip and shave some bone from it for the fusion. What I ended up with was a 5 1/2 hour surgery, three discs fused, the incision on my hip for bone for the fusion plus some bone from the bone bank and 2 8" Titanium Rods and 6 Titanium screws in my back!

Therapy began after 4 weeks and was everyday for 3 months, then 3 times a week for 6 months, then 2 times a weeks for 3 more months.

As mentioned, pain killers can be a blessing and a problem. If I did and still do very little (within my doctors recomondations) I can get by pretty weel without much. If though, I go anywhere beyond their recomondations, it's Darvocet or Vicoden for several days, or, live with as bad/worse pain than before surgery.

I can't complain a whole lot though, as bad as they said it was when they actually got in there, I guess I'm lucky......just sucks to be so limited with what I can do. Just LISTEN to your doctors and therapists or be prepared to pay the price in pain. On the plus side.....I can also tell better than weathermen when it's going to rain/snow since surgery! LOL!

Good Luck!

Wow that sounds harsh. A fusion sounds harder then just cutting a bit of the disc of the spinal column but I REALLY don't know what is more 'complicated'. I'll know more of the actual details when I see the consultants on the 3rd of March. The Chiro has recommended that they do not cut the disc as that is more risky to a full recovery then cutting a bit of the spinal column away.

Lookslike you had a WHOLE lot more stuff that will be done to me though. Looks like you had rehab for a whole year. I'm looking at 6 weeks then taking my time to get myself in training condition.

Koing

Hi again...

My objective was not to scare you, it was just to give a little insight.

The Myelogram I spoke of is basicly a requirement presurgery. All it is (LOL! that sounds so funny having been through 3 and they are not fun) is a long needle is injecting dye into your "problem" areas and then they do a scan and it basicly gives the doctors a roadmap of what to expect. In my case, it was the base of my back....S1, L1, L2 and L3 I believe or something like that.

The problem was, they knew about the problem at the base, but didn't know about the damage above those levels until they opened me up. I actually had 4 herniated discs.

From what you've described, I doubt you'll have anywhere near the problems I had.....but I bet the pain is just as bad!

Red is right, they can even do a LOT more now than they did when I had my initial surgery. My doctor keeps telling me too that they are very close to disc replacement surgery. I fully believe that at least 90% of my pain daily is a direct result of the rods and screws in my back at this point. Like Red, I too know full well that I will require additional surgery in the future but the doctors tell me to delay this as long as possible because further surgery will lead to further immobility in my case and the longer I can wait, the better the possibility something new will come forward and hopefully make it plausible for the removal of the 8" rods in my back...

My message to you is...........take care of yourself post surgery............and I don't mean for the first 6 months, year, etc.. From now on you're going to have to protect your back and if they advise you not to do things......don't do them. I Know, they advised me not to do several things and after awhile, I figured I was well enough to do them. NOT! Just be careful especially considering what you'll be doing.

 

[HN]

sorry to hear that koing. i've always appreciated your workout tips. hope things go well from here on out...

i kinda know what you mean about the cough/sneezing causing pain; had that for a week and it was pretty debillitating (along with 2 back spasms in the past).

on a related note - on a normal workout week, how often do you do squats? i've been meaning to ask that for awhile.

 

[Aquila76]

Hope it goes well Koing. The wife had a pinched Syatic(?) nerve, eventually determined due to a cyst in her leg. After they got it out, she had a quick bit of rehab and was back to normal. I tell ya, if there is anything completely wacky bizzare that can happen to a person, it happens to her.

Anyway, as a funny point, Does UK have Boost Mobile? Check this ad starring Travis Barker (Click on the 'Travis' link under 'TV ads' on bottom left).

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Koingg
My Chiro thinks the cutting away a bit of the spinal cord is the best option for me also. Hopefully with what they can do now (I have no clue how this technology has come) has gotten better and leaving scar tissue behind isn't such a problem anymore.

Koing

Your chiro may not even be a doc (most aren't), and I'm pretty sure isn't a surgeon (never seen one). Why is he commenting on your treatment?

Am I off-base here?

 

[DVad3r]

I feel your pain man. I got hit by a car a couple of months ago and fractured my clavicle. My life has been garbage this past while not being able to train at the gym. I am only now starting to heal up and it will be another month before I can go back and start doing baby weights for motion. My muscles are all jelly, all that work/effort gone, gotta start over

Hope your surgery goes well man, best of luck.

 

[eakers]

damn I am sorry to hear that, I know fitness is something that is very important to you.

Take care of yourself.

 

[DVad3r]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Koingg
My Chiro thinks the cutting away a bit of the spinal cord is the best option for me also. Hopefully with what they can do now (I have no clue how this technology has come) has gotten better and leaving scar tissue behind isn't such a problem anymore.

Koing

Your chiro may not even be a doc (most aren't), and I'm pretty sure isn't a surgeon (never seen one). Why is he commenting on your treatment?

Am I off-base here?

Yes totally because neither have anything to do with the chiro's recommendation, a person that sees these things all the time and has experience with clients. Your illuminating the chiro as some sort of negative source of information because he doesnt seem to have "master university credentials" of being a doctor. If I was in an injury and needed medical support I would like to hear everyones side before I make a decision, I don't care who it is, nurse, chiro, doc, or a friend.

 

[TheNinja]

That sucks man, hopefully you can make a full recovery.

I recently had shoulder issues, unfortunately nobody can figure out what is really wrong and I just get the run around "take time off....ice it....stretch it...lift lighter weights...etc." So I took a month off, lost all my muscle and starting lifting..guess what, sore shoulder again.

I'm no expert but you may never reach the lever where you are at now without some sort of pain, but seeing how you are in good shape you should have a shot at it. Just take it easy for now and don't make it worse.

 

[Koing]

Thanks for all the support guys. Yesterday I felt really ******

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Koingg
My Chiro thinks the cutting away a bit of the spinal cord is the best option for me also. Hopefully with what they can do now (I have no clue how this technology has come) has gotten better and leaving scar tissue behind isn't such a problem anymore.

Koing

Your chiro may not even be a doc (most aren't), and I'm pretty sure isn't a surgeon (never seen one). Why is he commenting on your treatment?

Am I off-base here?

The Chiro I'm seeing is actually qualified and knows his stuff. He came to research my Weightlifting coach so he can refer his patients. He is credible and I was very suspect of seeing him at first. He if wasn't I would stay the hell away from him. I know Chiro's have a bad 'reputation' but I can only speak for the one that I am seeing. He is a sports specialist and knows a few things about weightlifting and is more credible then most Chiro's and Dr's in regards to sports.

Did you guys know jumping up and down puts 3x your bodyweight to the floor. Impact forces are VERY big.

Koing

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: HN
sorry to hear that koing. i've always appreciated your workout tips. hope things go well from here on out...

i kinda know what you mean about the cough/sneezing causing pain; had that for a week and it was pretty debillitating (along with 2 back spasms in the past).

on a related note - on a normal workout week, how often do you do squats? i've been meaning to ask that for awhile.

Pre-injury I would squat 3x a week. Every session I would do squats. ALWAYS squat imo. You don't have to go balls to the wall every session. Switch it so you alternate HEAVY and LIGHTER sessions. After a while you can get more complex but this may confuse the beginner lifter. My reps and weights vary every session as my coach works these outs in cycles for how many weeks going to a competition or a longer term goal.

3x a week squating and you will see HUGE overall body gains. You will fill out a lot and you will eat more as you will be hungry = big gains all around :thumbsup:. I didn't find it hard to put muscle on when training. Just eat and squat and you gain mass.

Koing