I can't understand the gloating of the NVIDIA fanboys about the data we have on ATI's upcoming releases...

[dug777]

It looks to me like although they may not have the ultra high-end (although i can't see that being as clear cut as many seem to think, i suspect it will be a pretty close battle, especially since the Crossfire benchmarks AT gave us a while back showed Crossfire to be as, if not more efficent than SLI...), they have the rest of the field excellently catered for, both in terms of potential (since that's all it is atm ) performance and with points like 'Even the low end RV515 cards will utilize some form of H.264 decoding and/or HDCP support'...

So ATI is a bit late to market...but at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level except possibly (and there's nothing certain about that) at the top end...

Just my 2c and humble opinion...flame away NvWhores (like you need my permission )

And before you do, please read and digest this, so you actually know what i'm talking about
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2532

quote:
Originally posted by: VIAN
ATI isn't a bit late to the market, remember, it's like dog years, computer years are very short. ATI is very late to market. I would have to expect a more powerful solution.



why? all they have to do is equal or slightly beat the 7800/68000 cards they are competing with

Thats all that has happened in the past isn't it? One company steps ahead...we have a wait until the other catches up or mildly surpasses it, and so on...

 

[VIAN]

ATI isn't a bit late to the market, remember, it's like dog years, computer years are very short. ATI is very late to market. I would have to expect a more powerful solution.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: VIAN
ATI isn't a bit late to the market, remember, it's like dog years, computer years are very short. ATI is very late to market. I would have to expect a more powerful solution.

why? all they have to do is equal or slightly beat the 7800/68000 cards they are competing with

Thats all that has happened in the past isn't it? One company steps ahead...we have a wait until the other catches up or mildly surpasses it, and so on...

 

[SketchMaster]

Bla bla bla bla bla ATI bla bla bla bla. Blabla bla bla bla bla Nvidia bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, bla bla bla bla bla.

Bla bla bla bla, BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA! N00B!


There, I saved every one ten hours of flaming.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Bla bla bla bla bla ATI bla bla bla bla. Blabla bla bla bla bla Nvidia bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, bla bla bla bla bla.

Bla bla bla bla, BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA! N00B!


There, I saved every one ten hours of flaming.

:thumbsup: i'm tempted to edit the contents of my post, and simply replace it with this post

 

[klah]

blah blah blah klah klah klah

 

[emilyek]

I bet a cookie that the difference between the the x1800xt-- or whatever it is-- and the 7800gtx in gaming benches will come down to OpenGl and Dx9 and that it'll be the same HL2 versus DOOM3 decision again.

 

[Corporate Thug]

dug, thats why they are called fanbois....

 

[SketchMaster]

The point I was trying to make with that post is I wish you guy's would stop bickering about thoes damn cards. The full reviews are less then a month away, just sit back and wait.

God you fan-boy's piss me off to no end.

 

[mthomas988]

Originally posted by: dug777
It looks to me like although they may not have the ultra high-end (although i can't see that being as clear cut as many seem to think, i suspect it will be a pretty close battle, especially since the Crossfire benchmarks AT gave us a while back showed Crossfire to be as, if not more efficent than SLI...), they have the rest of the field excellently catered for, both in terms of potential (since that's all it is atm ) performance and with points like 'Even the low end RV515 cards will utilize some form of H.264 decoding and/or HDCP support'...

So ATI is a bit late to market...but at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level except possibly (and there's nothing certain about that) at the top end...

Just my 2c and humble opinion...flame away NvWhores (like you need my permission )

The late to market thing seriously hurt their oem deals...thus their stock is in the toilet...so saying they're "just a little late" is a gross understatement...

AT benchmarks of CrossFire showed SLi get a 10% larger boost in Doom3 and a 38% larger boost in HL2...the only notable victory for CrossFire was in SC:CT, which was run in SM2.0 mode to be fair to ATi cards.

Nvidia cards all the way down to the 6200 can do H.264 with a driver update...the purevideo processor is programmable...

As far as performance goes...ATi's own CEO stated that they "should" be able to beat the GTX "if" they get the clock speeds they want. I'm guessing they wanted more than the reported 600Mhz R520 is running at. Even if it is faster than the GTX, nvidia could easily release an ultra clocked to 500Mhz with 1400Mhz ram that would take the lead back...or they could just wait a couple months and release the 90nm version clocked at 600Mhz...

I think R520 will be a short-lived stepping stone to R580...R580 and G80 is where the next high-end battle will really take place...the GTX already one this one by default...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: mthomas988

Originally posted by: dug777
It looks to me like although they may not have the ultra high-end (although i can't see that being as clear cut as many seem to think, i suspect it will be a pretty close battle, especially since the Crossfire benchmarks AT gave us a while back showed Crossfire to be as, if not more efficent than SLI...), they have the rest of the field excellently catered for, both in terms of potential (since that's all it is atm ) performance and with points like 'Even the low end RV515 cards will utilize some form of H.264 decoding and/or HDCP support'...

So ATI is a bit late to market...but at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level except possibly (and there's nothing certain about that) at the top end...

Just my 2c and humble opinion...flame away NvWhores (like you need my permission )

The late to market thing seriously hurt their oem deals...thus their stock is in the toilet...so saying they're "just a little late" is a gross understatement...

AT benchmarks of CrossFire showed SLi get a 10% larger boost in Doom3 and a 38% larger boost in HL2...the only notable victory for CrossFire was in SC:CT, which was run in SM2.0 mode to be fair to ATi cards.

Nvidia cards all the way down to the 6200 can do H.264 with a driver update...the purevideo processor is programmable...

As far as performance goes...ATi's own CEO stated that they "should" be able to beat the GTX "if" they get the clock speeds they want. I'm guessing they wanted more than the reported 600Mhz R520 is running at. Even if it is faster than the GTX, nvidia could easily release an ultra clocked to 500Mhz with 1400Mhz ram that would take the lead back...or they could just wait a couple months and release the 90nm version clocked at 600Mhz...

I think R520 will be a short-lived stepping stone to R580...R580 and G80 is where the next high-end battle will really take place...the GTX already one this one by default...

I think you fail understand what i meant The x850 Crossfire scores are irrelevant..except for the % improvement on a single card they show..thats about all you are going to be able to carry over to the r520 Crossfire

From AT 'the performance increase from a single X850 XT to CrossFire is up 43% as opposed to SLI's benefit of 34% over a single card.', 'Nearly a 2x increase in performance over the single X850, Far Cry benefits from CrossFire more than any other game that we tested.', ' The performance numbers that we see here put ATI's solution in a much better position than NVIDIA's 6800 Ultra SLI. In this case, the x850 CrossFire even competes with the 7800 SLI solution as they both reach near the CPU limit of the system at 1600x1200.'...get the picture?

and as far as the PVP ever doing h.264-we'll believe it when we see it

 

[mthomas988]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: mthomas988

Originally posted by: dug777
It looks to me like although they may not have the ultra high-end (although i can't see that being as clear cut as many seem to think, i suspect it will be a pretty close battle, especially since the Crossfire benchmarks AT gave us a while back showed Crossfire to be as, if not more efficent than SLI...), they have the rest of the field excellently catered for, both in terms of potential (since that's all it is atm ) performance and with points like 'Even the low end RV515 cards will utilize some form of H.264 decoding and/or HDCP support'...

So ATI is a bit late to market...but at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level except possibly (and there's nothing certain about that) at the top end...

Just my 2c and humble opinion...flame away NvWhores (like you need my permission )

The late to market thing seriously hurt their oem deals...thus their stock is in the toilet...so saying they're "just a little late" is a gross understatement...

AT benchmarks of CrossFire showed SLi get a 10% larger boost in Doom3 and a 38% larger boost in HL2...the only notable victory for CrossFire was in SC:CT, which was run in SM2.0 mode to be fair to ATi cards.

Nvidia cards all the way down to the 6200 can do H.264 with a driver update...the purevideo processor is programmable...

As far as performance goes...ATi's own CEO stated that they "should" be able to beat the GTX "if" they get the clock speeds they want. I'm guessing they wanted more than the reported 600Mhz R520 is running at. Even if it is faster than the GTX, nvidia could easily release an ultra clocked to 500Mhz with 1400Mhz ram that would take the lead back...or they could just wait a couple months and release the 90nm version clocked at 600Mhz...

I think R520 will be a short-lived stepping stone to R580...R580 and G80 is where the next high-end battle will really take place...the GTX already one this one by default...

I think you fail understand what i meant The x850 Crossfire scores are irrelevant..except for the % improvement on a single card they show..thats about all you are going to be able to carry over to the r520 Crossfire

From AT 'the performance increase from a single X850 XT to CrossFire is up 43% as opposed to SLI's benefit of 34% over a single card.', 'Nearly a 2x increase in performance over the single X850, Far Cry benefits from CrossFire more than any other game that we tested.', ' The performance numbers that we see here put ATI's solution in a much better position than NVIDIA's 6800 Ultra SLI. In this case, the x850 CrossFire even competes with the 7800 SLI solution as they both reach near the CPU limit of the system at 1600x1200.'...get the picture?

and as far as the PVP ever doing h.264-we'll believe it when we see it

I'm referring to the difference in % increase on this page on the 4xAA section.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2477&p=9

The numbers you're referring to were done without AA...where the nvidia cards are cpu limited in Doom3. I can't imagine why anyone dropping $1000 on vid cards would play without AA...can you?

The quote you posted from the article...well...what can I say...that's one of the few things I've seen on AnandTech that's just plain ignorant. CLEARLY all the nvidia cards were cpu limited...

 

[magomago]

RAGE FURY MAXX Part 2

 

[orwell84]

Originally posted by: emilyek
I bet a cookie that the difference between the the x1800xt-- or whatever it is-- and the 7800gtx in gaming benches will come down to OpenGl and Dx9 and that it'll be the same HL2 versus DOOM3 decision again.

Thank you.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: magomago
RAGE FURY MAXX Part 2

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: mthomas988

Originally posted by: dug777
It looks to me like although they may not have the ultra high-end (although i can't see that being as clear cut as many seem to think, i suspect it will be a pretty close battle, especially since the Crossfire benchmarks AT gave us a while back showed Crossfire to be as, if not more efficent than SLI...), they have the rest of the field excellently catered for, both in terms of potential (since that's all it is atm ) performance and with points like 'Even the low end RV515 cards will utilize some form of H.264 decoding and/or HDCP support'...

So ATI is a bit late to market...but at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level except possibly (and there's nothing certain about that) at the top end...

Just my 2c and humble opinion...flame away NvWhores (like you need my permission )

The late to market thing seriously hurt their oem deals...thus their stock is in the toilet...so saying they're "just a little late" is a gross understatement...

AT benchmarks of CrossFire showed SLi get a 10% larger boost in Doom3 and a 38% larger boost in HL2...the only notable victory for CrossFire was in SC:CT, which was run in SM2.0 mode to be fair to ATi cards.

Nvidia cards all the way down to the 6200 can do H.264 with a driver update...the purevideo processor is programmable...

As far as performance goes...ATi's own CEO stated that they "should" be able to beat the GTX "if" they get the clock speeds they want. I'm guessing they wanted more than the reported 600Mhz R520 is running at. Even if it is faster than the GTX, nvidia could easily release an ultra clocked to 500Mhz with 1400Mhz ram that would take the lead back...or they could just wait a couple months and release the 90nm version clocked at 600Mhz...

I think R520 will be a short-lived stepping stone to R580...R580 and G80 is where the next high-end battle will really take place...the GTX already one this one by default...

Actually the purevideo processor on my 6800GT doesn't do doodo, It's broken as well as everyone elses on their 6800's

 

[nitromullet]

...at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level...

Nice... Way to sound impartial right from the start. Makes for a good discussion.

 

[michal1980]

isn't your own topic here a fanboy topic?

i mean looky here, i pulled this 520 to test out of... err oh sorry not out yet, who knows what it can do.

oh look heres my crossfire boards.

wait thats a cross bow. phhf can't test that.

oh look heres my 'MASTER' card to get crossfire to work.
damn not here yet ethier.

your complete solution is currently VAPORWARE.

where as right now you can get a 7800gt w/mobo for 360 ar.

i'm sorry while i do not like fanbois, (used both ati/nvidia card based on price/performance ratio).

you ati guys are making me sick, months and months of listening how your stuff will be better, yet months and months of no product, phfff.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

...at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level...

Nice... Way to sound impartial right from the start. Makes for a good discussion.

read my whole post, and take that in context.

Apart from the XT/GTX battle, looking at the specs in the AT article i (personally, IMHO etc) think that, again, read the article and my posts to see why i think that...

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: michal1980
isn't your own topic here a fanboy topic?

i mean looky here, i pulled this 520 to test out of... err oh sorry not out yet, who knows what it can do.

oh look heres my crossfire boards.

wait thats a cross bow. phhf can't test that.

oh look heres my 'MASTER' card to get crossfire to work.
damn not here yet ethier.

your complete solution is currently VAPORWARE.

where as right now you can get a 7800gt w/mobo for 360 ar.

i'm sorry while i do not like fanbois, (used both ati/nvidia card based on price/performance ratio).

you ati guys are making me sick, months and months of listening how your stuff will be better, yet months and months of no product, phfff.

hmm i smell an Nvidia troll

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: nitromullet

...at least they are bringing a complete solution to the market, and one that looks to be superior to NVIDIAs offerings at every level...

Nice... Way to sound impartial right from the start. Makes for a good discussion.

read my whole post, and take that in context, troll.

Apart from the XT/GTX battle, looking at the specs in the AT article i (personally, IMHO etc) think that, again, read the article and my posts to see why i think that...

yeah i think ATI will have the better mid-low end solutions becuase NV havent introduced anything based on G70, they're just keeping with the NV40 based solutions for now

its kinda like ATI just rebadgin the 9600pro to the x600 and continuing to sell it

 

[BrokenArrow]

I love it when OBVIOUS 'fanboys' get on here and label everyone 'fanboys' and 'trolls' for the other company. Even those who state clearly that they have used both companies products and choose based on price/performance at the time of purchase. I think we all know who the REAL 'fanboys' are. *cough* Dug777=ATi fanboy *cough*
- scuse me.

 

[hans030390]

Ok...the X1800XT is just an x850 (highest end) with (i believe) more vertex shaders. (like, 8 at least). Now, the x850 on its own did very well in games (i think around 6500 in 3dmark05?)...So, tweak the card a good bit, redesign it, and OC the hell out of it, (and add features like SM3), you get the X1800Xt. Now, i'm assuming from this that the x1800xt will probably be AT LEAST equal to the 7800gt, but more likely the 7800gtx.

But hey, what do i care, it has SM3 it's all good.

fixed the vertex shader thingy...just a bad website that i got the info from.

 

[ayabe]

From AT's Roadmap this morning it looks like the XL is going to be the card to get, 512 RAM like the XT just a slower clock speed, just a few more weeks

 

[michal1980]

yes i'm a troll because when nvidia released there great fx line, i droped my nvidia ge4 card, for an ati 9600xt.

now i do have an 6800gt. what am i getting next, who knows the 7800t bundle looks good.

but that upgrade would still cost me some mucho bucks, so i might sit out this round till the m2 gets here