I cringe whenever I have to factor in the O.S when building a computer

kyrax12

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Do you guys buy your O.S for $90 or do you "get it some other not so delightful way"

Man the expense of the O.S is such a factor for me. I am guessing more gamers don't buy the O.S and use some other ways to get it.

Just so it's noted, we allow the discussion of piracy as a technical matter, but not the advocacy/bragging of engaging in it. So if this is a discussion about the high rate of piracy among gamers, that's cool. If this is looking for support in pirating an OS, that's not cool.
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lxskllr

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I use GNU/Linux, so cost isn't an issue. If you're so tight on money <$100 is a sticking point, you shouldn't be building in the first place. Use the money for something more important.
 

kyrax12

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It sucks that life isn't free. You have 2 choices, be a criminal or deal with it somehow.

Well when someone is building their computer and I might be speaking out of my butt, but most of them want to spend most of their cash on the Hardware than the software.

I think it has more to do with prioritizing where to allocate money when on a budget more than anything.
 

Zaap

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Yeah I don't really get the conflict. Spend say, $1000-$1500 on a computer build, but then balk at spending $100-$140 on the OS (assuming you need to use Windows) that will make it more than just a useless collection of parts? Why is that such a hardship?

Anyway, yes. I don't mind buying the OS. I tend to only build Hackintoshes, so OSX has for years either been very cheap ($30) or currently as cheap as it gets (free). But I also always dual-boot Windows and have no problem paying for my copy of Windows as well.

The question to me is a bit like: do you buy your primary SSD drive, or if you could totally get away with it and no one would even know, would you just steal it? I'd still buy it.

And same thing for commercial software and/or games.
 

Charlie98

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The OS is a component just like RAM or a CPU. It's like buying a car and bitching about the cost of the tires.
 

kyrax12

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The OS is a component just like RAM or a CPU. It's like buying a car and bitching about the cost of the tires.


It's funny because whenever I see people post their builds, they don't factor in the O.S in their budget when they list the specs.

Either they already have it, or whatever..

Thought I am still deciding on "how" I am going to get the OS though.
 

escrow4

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Bought a plain Win 8 OS for $100 and have another $100 (or a bit over I think) 8.1 licence. On top of some $15 upgrade licences. I'm pretty sure I've bought at least 2 or 3 Win 7 licences too. Bad idea to use cracked OS's, you don't know what is in them.
 

Jodell88

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heh, all I have to do is download an Arch Linux iso, configure some stuff and install. Takes less time than installing windows, its updates and all the software I need. Not to mention the reboots in-between.
 

pmv

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For basic web browsing word processing I reckon there's no need to pay for an OS, linux will do that job fine, no?

For gaming (or, I guess, serious corporate use) on the other hand its just another component you have to pay for.

I think the only way it rankles is that it doesn't go down in price or improve in performance quite as much as most items of hardware do over time.

What I mean is, you have your eye on a certain video card or some RAM or a CPU, postpone buying for 6 months and the price may well drop considerably, while windows always stays the same price. Of course, of late, hardware hasn't exactly been improving in leaps-and-bounds either.
 
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Cerb

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By and large, games don't run on Linux (except some of the best games ever, like Nethack, and Dwarf Fortress ), so there's a $90+ cost to get your foot in the door. You're going to spend hundreds on a GPU and CPU, probably hundreds on Steam--but do spend what you can at GoG, even though their library is relatively tiny, because they're awesome--and $90 at build time makes you cringe? I lucked up and didn't have to buy a new OS, but I figured my hardware budget with the cost of a new Pro OEM license already removed from it, in case my activations had been used up.

Likewise, if dealing with people that want/need Windows, or want/need Office, it costs what it costs, and not having it costs a lot more than the software.

As far as builds go, many people will fall into some set of the following, without any pirating:

1) They are students, or work at a college, and get it free or discounted; or have some other means, like a work and home program, MSDN, Action Pack, etc., to get it cheap; or have already paid for several licenses through such systems, as part of getting access to other important software licenses. FI, some schools have deals where if you need software for courses, you pay a flat fee and get like 90% of it, usually including a current-version OS license--the software makers want you hooked on their stuff when you leave school, after all! Some companies will also make deals where every employee gets a free or discounted option, so as not to be using old insecure incompatible software at home on account of being cheap. Not everyone has these opportunities, but if you work for government agencies, schools, or IT companies, they often have some way of allowing you to get Windows, and other software, cheaper.

2) Due it being a fixed cost, they have already removed it from the budget before they started looking at what they could spend on hardware.

3) They bought it when it went on sale somewhere, in preparation for a future upgrade, knowing the regular price was likely to be $90+ when it came time for parts. Many did this with the 7 family packs, and the early Win 8 deals. Windows 7 still goes on sale for anywhere from $60 to $80, so if you knew you'd be upgrading or building some other new Windows boxes, buying one or more copies when it was one sale would make more sense than waiting for when you needed to buy hardware, as long as you knew you'd use it.
 
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kyrax12

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Should I invest on Windows 7 or Windows 8?

Is Windows 8 needed for future gaming?

If I have to replace a MOBO, I am guessing I will have to call Microsoft to reactivate the O.S right?
 

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If you're going to buy an OS for a new machine, buy Windows 8. Its idiosyncrasies can be dealt with, and as far as gaming is concerned Windows 7 is as an evolutionary dead end; Direct3D 11.1 and later are only for Windows 8.
 
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nemesismk2

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If you don't want to spend any money on a operating system then linux is the way to go. I have used linux with ubuntu in the past but i usually always BUY the latest Microsoft Windows Operating System. However this time i stopped at Windows 7 but will seriously consider buying Windows 9 instead as a replacement for Windows 7.
 

smakme7757

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When i was younger - 16 and below i always pirated my OS, my games and everything else. I was in school, getting $35 a week from mum and dad. So when i first saved up enough cash for a PC i spent it all on parts (that were shit mind you) then pirated everything else.

It was always such a hassle.

These days I have a purchased license for everything from my OS to Photoshop.
 

MustISO

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Windows 7 is frequently on sale for $80. Would I like it to be cheaper? Sure but it's not like it's $200.
 

Bateluer

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When you're looking at spending a 1000+ for a gaming machine, then 10% of the cost for a Windows license isn't that bad. Situation is a little different when you're on a budget and trying to build a decent gaming machine for 400-500 dollars. In that situation, spending 25% of your build on a Windows license hurts. It doesn't exactly endear Microsoft when Linux is free and MacOS versions are 20 dollars.



If you're going to buy an OS for a new machine, buy Windows 8. It's idiosyncrasies can be dealt with, and as far as gaming is concerned Windows 7 is as an evolutionary dead end; Direct3D 11.1 and later are only for Windows 8.

I'd disagree. Gaming on Windows 7 is going to be on par with W8 for years to come, probably longer, since W8 is going to be quickly abandoned and fall out of the market. Its not selling, OEMs are forced to sell W7 with their machines, and Microsoft wants to quickly move on to Windows 9 to get out of the stigma they created around 8.

Yes, you could be W8 now, and spend the next 12 months beating your head against its idiosyncrasies and flaws, and maintaining the required addons to make the UI usable. But you're not going to gain anything over 7 in that time frame. Remember, W7 still outsells W8. If gaming in the primary focus, and we acknowledge that developers will target the largest install base, then W7 is still a perfectly fine choice for a Windows license.

The above is only for gaming though. If you're not gaming, slap on whatever your preferred Linux distro is and be done with it.
 
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blankslate

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I'd disagree. Gaming on Windows 7 is going to be on par with W8 for years to come, probably longer, since W8 is going to be quickly abandoned and fall out of the market. Its not selling, OEMs are forced to sell W7 with their machines, and Microsoft wants to quickly move on to Windows 9 to get out of the stigma they created around 8.

^this it takes a while for game developers to require the newest gaming APIs to run their game.

the seemingly rapid pace in which MS seems to be moving on to Windows 9.... unless you are playing the few games that will require 11.1 to even run or just want the latest and greatest Windows 7 will still serve well for a gaming machine until Windows 8 comes out.

It's pretty much the user's preference at this point in my opinion.

When Win 9 comes out it'll be a more clear cut choice'
 

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There's a very simple solution for this problem: don't factor in the OS cost. Simple. Someone asks me I want a gaming PC for 1000USD, I immediately ask "do you really? Do you need a Windows license, mouse, keyboard, screen and whatnot?"

And then I adjust the budget accordingly.

I consider myself to have a 1200USD build, but if I were to buy everything in my workstation the price would go way beyond twice that. Monitors, routers, pen tablet, mouse, keyboard, sound system, headset, router, steering wheel, joystick, UPS, the desk itself, my chair...

There's loads of other places to spend money on, if you need a computer. It's not just the tower.
 

escrow4

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^this it takes a while for game developers to require the newest gaming APIs to run their game.

the seemingly rapid pace in which MS seems to be moving on to Windows 9.... unless you are playing the few games that will require 11.1 to even run or just want the latest and greatest Windows 7 will still serve well for a gaming machine until Windows 8 comes out.

It's pretty much the user's preference at this point in my opinion.

When Win 9 comes out it'll be a more clear cut choice'

And will Windows 7 ever have 11.1 or 11.2? Nope. Windows 8 and 9 will. 7 IS a dead end, its 5yrs old and will soon be security support only (January 13, 2015 is end of mainstream support). All those pretty features won't be backported. It is foolish to buy a 5yr old OS for brand new Haswell system now or Skylake system in the future.
 

mikeymikec

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Well when someone is building their computer and I might be speaking out of my butt, but most of them want to spend most of their cash on the Hardware than the software.

By that rationale you'd pirate the games as well.

Another way of looking at it is, think of all the interesting things you could do with the computer without the operating system! Or perhaps think of the benefits/reasons of an OS.
 

Cerb

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By that rationale you'd pirate the games as well.

Another way of looking at it is, think of all the interesting things you could do with the computer without the operating system! Or perhaps think of the benefits/reasons of an OS.
The commercial costly OS series, Microsoft Windows, or just an OS?

'Cause I can do everything but diagramming and gaming without Windows, and FOSS GUI diagramming software is getting better by leaps and bounds, these days. To me, the cost of Windows is entirely a video game support cost.
 
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