I didn't kill anyone

Evadman

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I have had some fun in my truck the last few days. on Friday, I was driving my '99 ram 2500 to my new house so I could start moving some stuff around. I noticed it was taking quite a bit longer to stop than normal. When I got there, I looked at the rotor, and it had some marks that were indicative of being down to the steel backing pad on the drivers side.

I popped off the wheel, and sure enough, I was down to the backing pad on the inboard side. That sucked, I only got about 2000 miles out of the pads. I was expecting about 10k. In case you didn't know, I put slotted and drilled rotors along with some aggressive racing pads on my truck because I want to be able to stop when I press the brake pedal. I blued the stock type rotors previously, which is why I went this route.

So I was down to the backing pad on the drivers side and passenger side on the inboard pads. I replaced them with some ceramic ones since I needed to use the truck that day. I didn't want to buy replacement racing pads to be shipped out. It only took me about 3 hours from the time I made the discovery that I had no pad until I was up and running again after testing them out, not bad at all IMHO.

So today, I was just minding my own business, driving my ram to work so that I could pick up about 5600 lbs of flooring on the way home today. Usually I drive my FJ, but not today. Now normally, when you press the brake, the truck slows down. Today? Not so much. The brake pedal went to the floor as I approached an intersection at about 45.

I was actually pleasantly surprised at my reaction time, and how my truck reacted. I would bet it took me less than a second to decide to jam the parking brake to the floor, and execute it. I locked both rear wheels, and I was in it for the duration at that point. I couldn't reach the release without taking off my seat belt (stupid design) so the wheels were going to be locked until I stopped.

I ended up stopped with about 1/2 my truck past the white line, but I wasn't in the intersection cross traffic. Amazingly, despite the traffic, I didn't hit anyone and was still mostly in my own lane. If the road was crowned any more, I would have ended up farther into the lane to the right. But the road was almost perfectly level.

When the light changed green, I moved my truck into the gas station using the parking brake. I found that the steel brake line to the rear had rusted and burst. Now, what is also annoying, is that even if it burst, the front brakes should still have worked. That is why there are 2 separate hydraulic circuits. The only place they are combined is in the master cylinder. Therefore, I think I toasted the seals in the master cylinder as well. Just what I needed.

But I didn't wreck my truck, and I didn't run over any smaller cars. I'll call it a win. Well, until I figure out how much it is going to cost to fix.
 
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shortylickens

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Thats why I got an S-10, it keeps me from going buck wild.
And if I need more carrying capacity I use a trailer. Its cheaper and when I dont need it my car is shorter and uses less gasoline.
Also, S-10's suck ass. Next car is going to be a pussymobile like a Murano or something. I'll keep the trailer.
 

TwinsenTacquito

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Glad you didn't Toyota out into traffic. UNEXPECTED NOBRAKITATION!

Racing pads don't require to be warmed up anymore?
 

Evadman

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Racing pads don't require to be warmed up anymore?

They were designed for racing or street use. I have EBC Sport 12.5" diameter GD7100 rotors & did have EBC Bluestuff pads. What I would change next time is to get the rotors zinc plated so that the slots don't rust. I just looked, and they now only have greenstuff for my truck. I wonder if those have the same bite, but will last longer. I'll have to look into trying out those.
 

grohl

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holy shit, that is scary. Nice response and recovery. How long until your heart rate was back to normal?
 

rh71

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in states where there are no mandated annual inspections, how are these things supposed to be caught? What if some nut wanted to drive around with half-broken axles because he's out of cash?
 

ussfletcher

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Forgive my ignorance, but how is it that the parking brake can stop the car if the brake lines and such are all blown to hell?

I assume it must lock the differential or something right?
 

Evadman

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holy shit, that is scary. Nice response and recovery. How long until your heart rate was back to normal?

A long-ass time.

in states where there are no mandated annual inspections, how are these things supposed to be caught? What if some nut wanted to drive around with half-broken axles because he's out of cash?

They aren't caught until an accident in that case. Well, assuming he could drive with half broken axles.

Forgive my ignorance, but how is it that the parking brake can stop the car if the brake lines and such are all blown to hell?

Parking brakes are usually cable operated, though there are some air and hydraulic versions. They use an entirely separate system to stop the vehicle. In my truck's case, there is a cable that runs from the pedal to each of the rear drums. Pulling the cable engages the drums, thus stopping the vehicle. There is also a ratcheting stop that keeps the cable tight even if you let go of the pedal since it is designed for holding the vehicle stationary without someone in it.
 

rudeguy

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did you wipe afterwards?

Good job not smashing anything! Its good for you old guys to get your heart rates up once in a while...
 

Evadman

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Currently in the shop, looks like $250-$300 to fix only the line that burst. Once it was up on the lift, I inspected the other hard lines, and I told them to replace every hard line that was rusted, and the 2 rubber lines to the front calipers while they were at it. Then flush and bleed the system. That will be about $800 by his estimate. I would do it, but I don't have time, or a lift that makes it easy.
 

bobdole369

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Gratz2u for knowing how to drive!!!!! Lots of folks would have just screamed or called the cops on their cellular telephones. I know some people that think the E-brake handle is something for her to decorate/fill with crap such that when actually needed is impossible.
 

Vette73

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ceramic are not good in high heat areas (i.e. towing lots of weight)

You need a semi-met type pad.
 

bobdole369

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ceramic are not good in high heat areas (i.e. towing lots of weight)

You need a semi-met type pad.

What? The whole point of ceramic pads is to avoid brake fade due to overheating right?
 

Vette73

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What? The whole point of ceramic pads is to avoid brake fade due to overheating right?


Nope. Here is what they list below Ceramic pads...


"Ceramic pads are not recommended for severe duty truck and towing applications."


Ceramic is good for less dust and noise. Not performance.
 

destrekor

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great reaction!

I too had a similar problem in my 97 Dakota, but thankfully the situation was different.
Somehow it just worked and I don't know how or why, but I'm thankful.

Drive to a friends house, parallel park on his street. Not one problem the entire way, through intersections, turning or parking.
When I go to leave and put the truck into reverse to maneuver more room to leave the parking space, it becomes aware my foot reached the floor. Not good. I continue anyway, and immediately determine, yep.. no breaks.

Had some left-over brake fluid in the truck from the last time the brakes had problems (burning through fluid). So I go to look in the brake fluid resevoir... extremely low. So I pour a bottle in.
And try the process again. After a few pumps on the break, like I had to do before, I started getting some resistance. And then it was gone. Now I think... wtf?
Look under my truck, nice little puddle. Is it my truck? Dry everywhere else. Get under it and notice there's definitely a drip from the rear left wheel-axle assembly... somewhere, but can't tell where exactly.

Had it towed and was like a $700 repair bill. New lines completely and now I cannot remember if the master cylinder was shot or not...

However, at this point, basically the interior, frame, sensors, wiring, and the actual engine, are the only remaining original factory items in this damn truck. Just about everything else has been replaced.
 

radioouman

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Hey Evadman,
I know that the Dodge Dakota and the Ram 2500 are different beast entirely, but my Dad is driving a '93 Dakota and had the rear line going from the T-connector to the drum rupture and he had no brakes in the front either. Almost rear-ended his boss in the parking lot at work.
 

JEDIYoda

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Forgive my ignorance, but how is it that the parking brake can stop the car if the brake lines and such are all blown to hell?

I assume it must lock the differential or something right?

no clue huh.......get under your car and all will be made known.
 
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