I didn't realize how popular Macs were

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Ichinisan

Lifer
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There is a right click. Boot Camp Control Panel (In the tray) > TrackPad > Secondary Click (Bottom right corner)

As far as the display goes, it beats the hell out of the terrible Carbon's screen door effect panel. And lets not even bring up the Dell E6330's we were rolling out on a regular basis before we decided on Ultrabooks.

Or just put two fingers anywhere on the pad and click (default configuration).
 

BlitzPuppet

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How to easily get over 100 posts in a thread on ATOT:


  1. Post ANYTHING about ANY Apple product. The fanbois/haters will come out of the woodworks.
  2. Post Something Pro/Con Democrat/Republican.
  3. Blatantly Troll any subject.
 
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Yongsta

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I'm not the biggest Apple fan but they make good laptops. I used to use Acer, Dell, Toshiba's and they would last a few years before you run into problems. They felt cheap (they were priced around $500 - $900).

I've had a mid 09 Macbook Pro (core2duo) for over four years now and it's still running strong. I recently upgraded the harddrive to an SSD, ram to 8GB, and OS to Mavericks. It's running smoothly and fast, with windows the OS becomes slower over time but in Mac OS I haven't really encountered that. Nice aluminum unibody chassis, they're well built.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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That's a hell of a sales pitch. Screenshots are painful, standard keys are non-existent, but at least the touchpad works as well as a 5 year old version of Ubuntu :^D



Page up/down is done with Fn+ArrowUp and Fn+ArrowDown.
Home/End is done with Fn+ArrowLeft and Fn+ArrowRight.

EXACTLY like many Windows Ultrabooks (and other condensed keyboards)
 

videogames101

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Aug 24, 2005
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Sorry, just have troubles wrapping my head around ones ability to talk about wasting money when you have a $200 video card in your link.

You are comparing purchasing computers to paying for a college education. The former costs under $1k, the latter is multiple thousands and years of commitment. I don't think it's a valid comparison.

People have different needs/wants. Because they don't match up to yours doesn't make them dumb/trendy/whatever adjective you want to imply.

I've been a windows user for going on 20 years. I remember staffing computer labs in college in the late 90's making fun of the crashed Macs that lined the wall in one lab. There was only one or two out of about a dozen that would work at any given time. All the rest had that goofy "Mac" face stuck on the boot screen.

Times change, needs change. I picked up a Macbook air a few years back and it's one of the best computing purchases I've made. It has a better trackpad than any other laptop I have ever used/owned. It's nearly as light as tablet. The battery life is excellent. It's fast, has a sleep/recovery speed and consistency that Windows couldn't dream of. And it's got some included "consumer productivity" features like the video and photo apps that area great combination of useful & easy that I have yet to replace on a Windows machine. Toss in integration like the iCloud photo stream from iPhones and things like Face Time and it's just a very nice ecosystem.

I research my products well. There's not a serious competitor to the Macbook Air in my opinion. There's other ultrabook but they all have some cheapy quirk or lack of polish (trackpads and drivers that don't suck for them) that can't match a Macbook. The app suite Apple bundles is just icing on the cake for a lot of people.

You're post seems defensive. I pointed out that most engineering work done on Windows and Linux machines. Then I pointed out many of the people walking around on my campus using $1000 Macbook Pros are only in college because theirs parents are paying for them to waste time getting drunk 5 nights a week while "working" on a liberal arts degree. Contrary to what you thought I was implying, I think Apple makes very high quality products, especially when it comes to physical design. I have no problem with your Macbook Air purchase, it probably suits your needs well. The only one who used the word "foolish" to describe purchasing a Mac is you.

When it comes time to replace the device, I can still resell it for a very good amount of money further reducing my total outlay for a new device. Can't say the same for Winbook.

There's nothing dumb or foolish about the purchase. It does what I need, does it well, and still has a high resale value if I want to upgrade. In three years will that $200 video card still have 50%-60% of it's value?

I don't treat my computer as an investment vehicle. They depreciate quickly.

Yeah, all those people in the graphic design, publishing, music, and film industries don't do a damn thing.

Industry? I'm talking about post secondary education. Next time you see a business major ask which engineering field he transferred from.
 
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Investment would assume appreciated value. It's more along the lines of reduced risk. They hold their value very well and can be easily resold to offset the costs of newer ones. Very few other products can claim the same. It's just one nice perk that's a byproduct of a quality product that is in demand.
 

Kaido

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Feb 14, 2004
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How to easily get over 100 posts in a thread on ATOT:


  1. Post ANYTHING about ANY Apple product. The fanbois/haters will com out of the woodworks.
  2. Post Something Pro/Con Democrat/Republican.
  3. Blatantly Troll any subject.

We need a troll thread about the pros of Republicans who use Apple products :biggrin:
 

Theb

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Well now that I've been pulled into this thread. We have been transitioning into an Apple household. We have two Windows laptops (7 and XP) but they collect dust most of the time in favor of Apple products. My wife has an Android phone because she wanted a physical keyboard, but her work just gave her an iPhone it will be interesting to see if she changes her mind.

I have a Kindle and that's really my last nonApple hold out. I was thinking about upgrading to a paperwhite, but then there's the Retina mini and the Retina display is ridiculously nice. If I succumb to the pull of the Retina Mini I'll be completely immersed in an Apple bubble.

I wouldn't call myself a fanboy. I kind of don't want to be in a bubble, but each time it's time to buy a device I look at the Apple product and the competition and the Apple product is the one I want.

How to easily get over 100 posts in a thread on ATOT:


  1. Post ANYTHING about ANY Apple product. The fanbois/haters will com out of the woodworks.
  2. Post Something Pro/Con Democrat/Republican.
  3. Blatantly Troll any subject.

I was actually just thinking about how this thread seemed atypical for an Apple thread. I was surprised it contains actual discussion instead of jumping straight to flame city.
 

videogames101

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Most of the engineers at my company are using Macs. Macs are great for coding Ruby, Ruby on Rails, and Python.

I think software development is actually an exception. Not that Macs are particularly suited for it, but in that it's fairly OS agnostic. You can even code on a thin client, and if you're writing native applications the OS for your target environment can be virtualized.

The engineering work I was referring to uses specific engineering software packages that are usually developed exclusively for Windows or Linux.
 

Theb

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Feb 28, 2006
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We need a troll thread about the pros of Republicans who use Apple products :biggrin:

1. Invest in keyboard manufacturers
2. Make thread about circumcised Republicans using Apple products
3. Everyone has to replace their worn out keyboards
4. Profit
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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That's actually the one I was jesting about. That's four keys you need to hit and I have to do it so infrequently I have to google the freaking thing everytime to remember.

Printscreen. One finger. One button. *shakes cane*

You one of those guys that sends a huge screenshot that includes the taskbar or multiple monitors when you only wanted to screenshot a single app window?

In Windows, I hold [Alt] when I press [Print Screen].

Before that, I restore the window ([Alt]+[Space],[R]) and resize to the precise size I need with pixel precision to make sure it's the minimum size without a horizontal scrollbar. It helps to use the keyboard when resizing the window ([Alt]+[Space],Arrow Keys). You can hold [Ctrl] while resizing with keyboard for single-pixel precision.


I usually follow that with:
[Win]+[R],"mspaint",[Enter]
[Ctrl]+[E],[1],[Tab],[1],[Enter]
[Ctrl]+[V]

Then, I might do some resizing cropping (using various keyboard shortcuts for flipping and zooming while I do so).

Then I'll select-all ([Ctrl]+[A]) and copy-paste to somewhere else or just save the file.

I can't stand MSPAINT in Windows 7/8. It simply can't do some of the things I used to do in the previous version.
 

ControlD

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I think software development is actually an exception. Not that Macs are particularly suited for it, but in that it's fairly OS agnostic. You can even code on a thin client, and if you're writing native applications the OS for your target environment can be virtualized.

The engineering work I was referring to uses specific engineering software packages that are usually developed exclusively for Windows or Linux.

Agreed. I don't believe one single piece of software I need for my job has an Apple version (Excel I guess, although I'm not sure if the Apple version has 100% VBA functionality). I highly doubt there ever will be unless MS suddenly goes out of business.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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"barf" you say? That's an appropriate name.

Suit yourself. You don't have to use it, and neither do I. It's nice having the choice to modify my system in any way I choose. I'm not locked into some little twat's vision of what a computer should look like.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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You one of those guys that sends a huge screenshot that includes the taskbar or multiple monitors when you only wanted to screenshot a single app window?

In Windows, I hold [Alt] when I press [Print Screen].

Before that, I restore the window ([Alt]+[Space],[R]) and resize to the precise size I need with pixel precision to make sure it's the minimum size without a horizontal scrollbar. It helps to use the keyboard when resizing the window ([Alt]+[Space],Arrow Keys). You can hold [Ctrl] while resizing with keyboard for single-pixel precision.


I usually follow that with:
[Win]+[R],"mspaint",[Enter]
[Ctrl]+[E],[1],[Tab],[1],[Enter]
[Ctrl]+[V]

Then, I might do some resizing cropping (using various keyboard shortcuts for flipping and zooming while I do so).

Then I'll select-all ([Ctrl]+[A]) and copy-paste to somewhere else or just save the file.

I can't stand MSPAINT in Windows 7/8. It simply can't do some of the things I used to do in the previous version.

Similar to how I do it except with more hotkeys. I'll try your method out.

It's obviously more effecient than apple's implementation.
 

vi edit

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You one of those guys that sends a huge screenshot that includes the taskbar or multiple monitors when you only wanted to screenshot a single app window?

No. Alt + print screen was replaced with Windows key + S for me. One note lets me do a capture of a particular screen area. Snipping tool does that too, but it's not a hot key.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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No. Alt + print screen was replaced with Windows key + S for me. One note lets me do a capture of a particular screen area. Snipping tool does that too, but it's not a hot key.

Oh yeah: You can also press [Win]+[Print Screen] in Win8 to save a PNG screenshot directly to Pictures\Screenshots\
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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Investment would assume appreciated value. It's more along the lines of reduced risk. They hold their value very well and can be easily resold to offset the costs of newer ones. Very few other products can claim the same. It's just one nice perk that's a byproduct of a quality product that is in demand.

The plus side of the depreciation of PC laptops combined with the fact that they've gotten fast enough years ago means you can get awesome laptops for $200-300 on the used market.
 
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