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crt1530

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: crt1530

Oh, and SVT Cobra is right to call Accipter out on having "powerlifted for a while early on." Next time you post unsubstantiated gym lifts, remember to make the deadlift number bigger than the squat number.

Why is that? I can squat more than I can deadlift. My hands aren't strong enough to hold any more than 315 lbs on the bar. I don't use straps. I'm not any kind of pro powerlifter, though.

People who squat unequipped through a full range of motion will nearly always have a larger deadlift than squat. It's biomechanically easier to lift heavier weight in deadlift for 95+% of the population (assuming no health issues). The vast majority of the time when people have unequipped squat numbers higher than their deadlift numbers, it's because they are doing partial squats. Most people figure that if they can unrack a weight and lower it any amount, that is a squat. It's like counting a bench press rep that doesn't touch your chest. Sure, you had the weight on the bar, but it doesn't count. A full squat is when the crease of your hip goes below the top of your knee.

You are limiting your posterior chain development if you never deadlift more than 315. I recommend you consider training your hands or at least buy some lifting straps. You can start training your supporting grip by simply hanging from a pullup bar for time. Personally, I think it's desirable to train for grip strength, but to each their own.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Amused
One thing people need to accept is that not everyone is genetically able to put on signifigant muscle. I happen to be genetically gifted and able to do so naturally. But 80% or more of the male population will never be able to get as big as me.

As exrx.net points out: "Evidence suggests that less than 20 percent of men and very few women can develop large muscles even if they wanted to, regardless what program they follow. Bodybuilders seen on TV typically, have trained for years, poses a certain degree of genetics, and most likely, have used anabolic steroids sometime in their careers."

http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Toning.html

One thing people need to realize is that different body types DO exist. Not everyone can look like a fitness magazine model. And you must accept your genetics and strive to reach YOUR potential. Most people cannot get big. Many people will never be extremely lean. But you can get in the best shape for YOUR body type.

Work out to feel good. Not to fit an image. I started working out with no intention of getting big. I merely wanted to prevent going down the same road my father did and suffer from middle age onset obesity and type II diabetes. He was dead by 59. Basically his desk job and an unwillingness to exercise killed him.

At least you acknowledge that genetics play a large role. I grow tired of arguing with people on bodybuilding message boards who are clearly above average in terms of size, strength, etc., who try to preach that their success is soley the result of their hard work, and that anyone can become an IFBB pro if they only work hard enough.

Eventually these people are going to attempt something in life that they do not have a genetic advantage at and will realize the error of their view.

Some people are genetically predisposed to being fatter than others. Some people naturally accumulate muscle more readily than others.

That being said, I think that article is horsesh1t. Any article that is about "toning" gets a big red flag right off the start. Then the author pulls out the "Evidence suggests that less than 20 percent..." crap. What evidence? Where? What is the cutoff for muscles to be considered "large?" ExRx is an excellent resource, but it is not beyond reproach. Any man with normal testosterone levels can increase their muscle mass through a caloric surplus and weight training.

It's not the typical "toning" article and you would know that if you read it objectively.

There are some genetics that cannot be overcome. This is one of them.

The human body is NOT one size fits all. And seeing that simplistic mentality on this message board is depressing... especially among people who normally would have higher than average intelligence. The snake oil fitness industry WANTS everyone to think we can all look like fitness/body building magazine models if we only buy their products and work hard. They, and uneducated personal trainers have filled the public's heads with such nonsense.

There are people who work harder, smarter and have a far better diet than I do who will never get anywhere near as big as I am. And there are people who don't work as hard as I do who are able to get bigger and stronger.

The article does not say one cannot increase muscle mass. Everyone can do that. But how much they can gain is 100% genetics. The article is saying significant muscle size (like mine) is only achievable for less than 20% naturally. The rest have to take anabolic steroids to achieve the same results.

Another good article: (for women but it applies to men, as well)

http://www.acefitness.org/fitfacts/fitfacts_display.aspx?itemid=76

The truth is, not everyone responds to training in quite the same way. While testosterone plays a role in muscle development, the answer to why some men and women increase in muscle size and others don't, lies within our DNA.

We are predisposed to respond to exercise in a particular way, in large part, because of our genetics. Our genetic makeup determines what types of muscle fibers we have and where they are distributed. It determines our ratio of testosterone to estrogen and where we store body fat. And it also determines our body type.

All women fall under one of three body classifications, or are a combination of types. Mesomorphs tend to be muscular, endomorphs are more rounded and voluptuous and ectomorphs are slim or linear in shape. Mesomorphs respond to strength training by building muscle mass much faster than their ectomorphic counterparts, even though they may be following identical training regimens.

Endomorphs generally need to lose body fat in order to see a change in size or shape as a result of strength training. Ectomorphs are less likely to build muscle mass but will become stronger as a result of resistance training.

Google "muscle size" +"body type" to see more.

No, it's not a typical "toning" article. And if you read what I said, I did recognize that genetics plays a role in bodybuilding endveavors. Saying "evidence suggests" and throwing the good ole Pareto principle (80/20) in without a citation or link to a study or credible article is lazy at best. More than likely he pulled that number from his rear end. I take issue any time people quote statistics as fact and have nothing to back up those claims (I majored in mathematics).

Nobody is going to naturally look like a current day pro bodybuilder. Very few people even have the capability to look like Reg Park or John Grimek. But saying that 80% has no chance to develop "large muscles" without citations or definitions (large?) leads me to view the article as overly simplistic and inaccurate.

I don't really want to start debating variation in distribution of muscle fiber types or hormone ratios. I know that people have different insertion and origin points for their muscles/tendons. I concede that people are all different. My issue is with the article you referenced.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: crt1530
My issue is with the article you referenced.

I used exrx.net because it is the most respected source of exercise information in this forum. Not to mention personally. They are one of the few not prone to myths and snake oil.

That's cool that you question it, though. They are kinda vague in that article simply because they use it in passing. There are plenty of more specific references online to this.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Genetics has a lot to do with it...but also steroids.

Yes, steroids can overcome genetics to a point. But even steroids alone cannot give someone the perfection of... let's say Schwarzenegger.

But yeah, just about anyone can be big with anabolic steroids. That's how those who can't put on muscle do it, and how those who can, get ridiculously big.

I got lucky. I admit that. I have no illusions of superiority. That I can get big is merely the "luck of the draw." (for lack of a better word since I do not believe in "luck")
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
My issue is with the article you referenced.

I used exrx.net because it is the most respected source of exercise information in this forum. Not to mention personally. They are one of the few not prone to myths and snake oil.

That's cool that you question it, though. They are kinda vague in that article simply because they use it in passing. There are plenty of more specific references online to this.

ExRx is an excellent resource. I am interested in any studies or articles you've seen which support the 80/20 assertion. Also, since you mention yourself as an example so frequently, what is your height and weight (measurements even)? I'd like to know where you're coming from.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
My issue is with the article you referenced.

I used exrx.net because it is the most respected source of exercise information in this forum. Not to mention personally. They are one of the few not prone to myths and snake oil.

That's cool that you question it, though. They are kinda vague in that article simply because they use it in passing. There are plenty of more specific references online to this.

ExRx is an excellent resource. I am interested in any studies or articles you've seen which support the 80/20 assertion. Also, since you mention yourself as an example so frequently, what is your height and weight (measurements even)? I'd like to know where you're coming from.

As I said, google. I'm no expert I am just agreeing with them after 20 odd years of experience and observation.

I am 6' 220. I have a 33" waist, 19" arms (pumped) and a 47" chest.

I have never taken steroids. I have always trained low volume, high intensity. I was also blessed/cursed with my mother's small frame, giving me a small waist, and small wrists.

My brothers are able to put on muscle much like me, but choose not to. One is just lazy (though back in high school he was big and ripped and played football) now and the other is a daily runner.

Pics of me:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG
 

Vic

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Uh... I'd say a bigger concern than the OP's workout regimen is his poor body image. I suggest counseling (seriously and in a good way).
 

J Heartless Slick

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O.P.,

There is nothing wrong with your body except your unrealistic expectations. You have a specific body and I doubt you can do anything about that outside of using drugs and maybe surgery.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
My issue is with the article you referenced.

I used exrx.net because it is the most respected source of exercise information in this forum. Not to mention personally. They are one of the few not prone to myths and snake oil.

That's cool that you question it, though. They are kinda vague in that article simply because they use it in passing. There are plenty of more specific references online to this.

ExRx is an excellent resource. I am interested in any studies or articles you've seen which support the 80/20 assertion. Also, since you mention yourself as an example so frequently, what is your height and weight (measurements even)? I'd like to know where you're coming from.

As I said, google. I'm no expert I am just agreeing with them after 20 odd years of experience and observation.

I am 6' 220. I have a 33" waist, 19" arms (pumped) and a 47" chest.

I have never taken steroids. I have always trained low volume, high intensity. I was also blessed/cursed with my mother's small frame, giving me a small waist, and small wrists.

My brothers are able to put on muscle much like me, but choose not to. One is just lazy (though back in high school he was big and ripped and played football) now and the other is a daily runner.

Pics of me:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG

Lookin good dude!
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: crt1530
My issue is with the article you referenced.

I used exrx.net because it is the most respected source of exercise information in this forum. Not to mention personally. They are one of the few not prone to myths and snake oil.

That's cool that you question it, though. They are kinda vague in that article simply because they use it in passing. There are plenty of more specific references online to this.

ExRx is an excellent resource. I am interested in any studies or articles you've seen which support the 80/20 assertion. Also, since you mention yourself as an example so frequently, what is your height and weight (measurements even)? I'd like to know where you're coming from.

As I said, google. I'm no expert I am just agreeing with them after 20 odd years of experience and observation.

I am 6' 220. I have a 33" waist, 19" arms (pumped) and a 47" chest.

I have never taken steroids. I have always trained low volume, high intensity. I was also blessed/cursed with my mother's small frame, giving me a small waist, and small wrists.

My brothers are able to put on muscle much like me, but choose not to. One is just lazy (though back in high school he was big and ripped and played football) now and the other is a daily runner.

Pics of me:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG

yhellothar




 

zinfamous

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so, how many people clicked on this topic b/c of "with pole," and found themselves extremely dissapointed? c'mon....admit it....
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: crt1530
In general, there is nothing wrong with your physique as is.

maybe you have a psychological problem, like an eating disorder. do you binge and purge?
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
GDit atot, don't post if you do not know what you are talking about. Special K can help you though, he knows his stuff about bbing.


Anyway Accipter22, given your past record of threads, and your pictures, I call major shens on your even attempting power lifting or meeting your goals as that is not the way a PL would talk, nor does your figure show any type of developed pling muscles. Sorry try again.


At 195 I squatted 475, once at college, once at my home gym. I deadlifted 420 on several occasions, I had to stack dumbells criss-cross at my gym and attempt to row them because they only went to 115 and I wanted to try about 150. I don't know any PLer that DOESN'T talk about meeting goals. What on EARTH do you do?

At 195lbs? Hmm sounds like you were in the women's division.


I wasn't in a competition asshole I just wanted to see how high I could get eating natural food and not supplementing. That was actually about the limit on squatting, if I put on more weight than 195 my knees start screwing up. So I'm assuming 475 is my natural limit on squatting...but i DO think I could get higher on Deadlifting, as I hit 400 again at 175 last summer.

So what're your #'s then since you're talkin so much?
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
GDit atot, don't post if you do not know what you are talking about. Special K can help you though, he knows his stuff about bbing.


Anyway Accipter22, given your past record of threads, and your pictures, I call major shens on your even attempting power lifting or meeting your goals as that is not the way a PL would talk, nor does your figure show any type of developed pling muscles. Sorry try again.


At 195 I squatted 475, once at college, once at my home gym. I deadlifted 420 on several occasions, I had to stack dumbells criss-cross at my gym and attempt to row them because they only went to 115 and I wanted to try about 150. I don't know any PLer that DOESN'T talk about meeting goals. What on EARTH do you do?

At 195lbs? Hmm sounds like you were in the women's division.


I wasn't in a competition asshole I just wanted to see how high I could get eating natural food and not supplementing. That was actually about the limit on squatting, if I put on more weight than 195 my knees start screwing up. So I'm assuming 475 is my natural limit on squatting...but i DO think I could get higher on Deadlifting, as I hit 400 again at 175 last summer.

So what're your #'s then since you're talkin so much?

*waits for SVT to post his 500 lb. BP vid*
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
GDit atot, don't post if you do not know what you are talking about. Special K can help you though, he knows his stuff about bbing.


Anyway Accipter22, given your past record of threads, and your pictures, I call major shens on your even attempting power lifting or meeting your goals as that is not the way a PL would talk, nor does your figure show any type of developed pling muscles. Sorry try again.


At 195 I squatted 475, once at college, once at my home gym. I deadlifted 420 on several occasions, I had to stack dumbells criss-cross at my gym and attempt to row them because they only went to 115 and I wanted to try about 150. I don't know any PLer that DOESN'T talk about meeting goals. What on EARTH do you do?

At 195lbs? Hmm sounds like you were in the women's division.


I wasn't in a competition asshole I just wanted to see how high I could get eating natural food and not supplementing. That was actually about the limit on squatting, if I put on more weight than 195 my knees start screwing up. So I'm assuming 475 is my natural limit on squatting...but i DO think I could get higher on Deadlifting, as I hit 400 again at 175 last summer.

So what're your #'s then since you're talkin so much?

*waits for SVT to post his 500 lb. BP vid*



bench press doesn't impress me. Show me vids of squatting or deadlifting, then I'll be impressed.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: Amused
The last thing this thread needs is a pissing match.

I'm not pissing on him at all. I'm just saying that deadlifts & squats impress me more than bench pressing. if he has a proportionally just as heavy pull or squat I'd be genuinely interested in seeing it.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Accipiter22
Originally posted by: Amused
The last thing this thread needs is a pissing match.

I'm not pissing on him at all. I'm just saying that deadlifts & squats impress me more than bench pressing. if he has a proportionally just as heavy pull or squat I'd be genuinely interested in seeing it.

Well, to be fair he started pissing first.

At any rate, to get back on topic... what is your reaction to my information?
 

mithrandir2001

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At the end of the day, it's the strength that you have, the density of your bones and the health of your cardiovascular system that matters. Image is nice but it cannot become an obsession or you will suffer unnecessarily.
 

Geekbabe

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I'm no expert but I've heard it said that if you do just cardio and diet that you'll end up with a body that looks as it did when you started... just a smaller version of it.If you want to change your basic build/structure lifting is probably the way to go.If you've been at it for years and not getting the rwsults you want,I'd say you need to really invest some $$$
get a comperhensive evaulation at a sports medicine center and get a new workout regime or perhaps check your self-perceptions and expectations.

The other thought I had is this,if you're simply really unhappy with your waistline and can afford to so,why not look into liposuction?
 

AnonymouseUser

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Pics of you without a shirt on (possibly)... Not feeling compelled to click the pics... hmm...

Judging by the replies in this thread, I must not be the only one...
 
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