"I Don't get all the hate for Dragon Age 2" - Take 2

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Dumac

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Ok, but try it from a different direction. Suppose you found a great place to eat. You went there and had what you consider to be really great meals, not once but several times. Then someone that you don't know comes along and says "You eat Where? That place is crap. The food is crap. the service is crap. What is wrong with you?"

Hey, I didn't like DA2. I have made a lot of posts in defense of my reasons for not liking the game. But if someone Does like it, I don't call their sanity or facilities into question. I might attach there stance, but not the person themselves.

But that is just me.

And I think that opinions are representations of the person themselves. And therefore grossly misguided or not understandable opinions cast a shadow of doubt upon the bearer of the opinion themselves.

And this goes beyond simply not liking a game. Like I said, there are games that I don't like, but I can understand why others would. With DA2, it comes down to the core concepts of what is acceptable.
 

Bateluer

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LOL. I would love to hear what you do think of it.

Years ago, my Ex and I finished playing Xcom and we looked around for another game like it. We stumbled upon a game called "Incubation". The reviews pretty much panned it as junk. But she really enjoyed it. I thought it was fairly unredemptive, but she actually played it all the way through to the end.

Goes to show, even if one person (or even a lot of people) thinks something isn't good, doesn't mean that everyone will think that.

And gift cards are wonderful, aren't they? I purchased my copy of Skyrim with gift cards. Otherwise I would not have been able to get it at all.

Coupon code they emailed me to entice me to buy crap. I don't plan on buying Skyrim until its priced more reasonably, and there's some mods to compensate for Bethesda.

But, I will definitely be posting my thoughts on DA2 after I play through(some of) it.
 

Bateluer

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How DA2 manages to look worse than DAO, while performing worse, is beyond me. Combat animations are teh suck!

Any mods to correct this?
 

thespyder

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How DA2 manages to look worse than DAO, while performing worse, is beyond me. Combat animations are teh suck!

Any mods to correct this?

It's pretty clear that the art direction on the game was geared more towards "Main stream" players. In other words, they sacrificed playability for over the top "Action" and jumping around in combat (Manuvers) and exploding corpses.

Aside from that, it's the same engine so there was probably only so much they could do to "Improve" it. And quite a few of the choices that they "Improved" (elves) were significant steps in the wrong direction in my opinion.
 

BudAshes

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It still bothers me that this guy created a new thread saying I confused the games in the original DA2 thread. I hate when people are stupid and then tell you that you are the one that is stupid.
 
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And I think that opinions are representations of the person themselves. And therefore grossly misguided or not understandable opinions cast a shadow of doubt upon the bearer of the opinion themselves.

And this goes beyond simply not liking a game. Like I said, there are games that I don't like, but I can understand why others would. With DA2, it comes down to the core concepts of what is acceptable.

And who determines what is "acceptable"? I mean it is only a game. If someone plays DA2 and enjoys it, more power to them. I am an older adult and consider myself reasonably intelligent and well educated, but I played DA2 and enjoyed it as a light diversion. Was it as immersive and deep as DA1, no, but you can stil play it for what it is.

It might not meet your standards, or be "acceptable" to you, but I think it is unfair to judge someone you dont even know by whether or not they like a game.
 

Bateluer

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And who determines what is "acceptable"? I mean it is only a game. If someone plays DA2 and enjoys it, more power to them. I am an older adult and consider myself reasonably intelligent and well educated, but I played DA2 and enjoyed it as a light diversion. Was it as immersive and deep as DA1, no, but you can stil play it for what it is.

It might not meet your standards, or be "acceptable" to you, but I think it is unfair to judge someone you dont even know by whether or not they like a game.

It seems to be kinda shitty . . . but I'm going to without judgement until I actually get into Kirkwall. All the fighting and dialogue so far as been idiotic.
 

thespyder

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It seems to be kinda shitty . . . but I'm going to without judgement until I actually get into Kirkwall. All the fighting and dialogue so far as been idiotic.

You haven't reached Kirkwall yet? Um..... Yeah. Um.... If you set your expectations based on what you have seen so far, you might be OK.
 

Bateluer

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You haven't reached Kirkwall yet? Um..... Yeah. Um.... If you set your expectations based on what you have seen so far, you might be OK.

I got the gates of Kirkwall, the Gallows, last night. Had to install the game, patch it to current, login to my Bioware account, register the key with Bioware, attempt activation with EA, password reset my EA account, try activate again, log into my EA account in a browser, verify profile settings, then complete activation. Lot of crap just to start. :/
 

thespyder

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I got the gates of Kirkwall, the Gallows, last night. Had to install the game, patch it to current, login to my Bioware account, register the key with Bioware, attempt activation with EA, password reset my EA account, try activate again, log into my EA account in a browser, verify profile settings, then complete activation. Lot of crap just to start. :/

Yep. Lots o crap. There seems to be a theme there. let's see if it continues.
 

Arg Clin

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The sex scenes were lame and censored in DA2.. plenty of reason for the hate right there
 

shortylickens

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Its amazing, you can download high quality porn for free nowadays yet folks still need to see it in their games.
 

Bateluer

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The sex scenes were lame and censored in DA2.. plenty of reason for the hate right there

They were censored in DAO too. Unless you installed some mods, they were pretty tame.

The Witcher 2 did sex scenes right.
 

Fayd

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not to contridict my OP, but as far as i care, they can continue using the original DA:O engine and churn out new games as long they have a good story and likeable characters, plus a few changes to bring new skills/spells.

sidenote: Y U NO REMAKE BG2 WITH DAO ENGINE??

for instance, they can make a game that REALLY focuses on companion relationships. i remember in BG2 Anomen would disappear from the game if you don't do what he wants (go rescue his sister whatever she died anyway in all my playthroughs with him lol).
give us more stuff like that.

the reason bioware went to the dragon age storyline is cause they were sick of using forgotten realms canon, with all the baggage that brings. so they made their own.

i think they did an excellent job of making a new universe with the original game. even if the sequel DA2 wasn't up to snuff, it fleshes out the universe more and gives the impression that there is something to this universe beyond the darkspawn and the fight against them.

as far as anders goes, i didn't use him in my party. the swashbuckler and the rogue were way too awesome to leave out, and with my mage, that leaves only room for whoever's side quest i'm doing.

i have high hopes for dragon age 3. i do hope the franchise is not killed.
 

thespyder

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the reason bioware went to the dragon age storyline is cause they were sick of using forgotten realms canon, with all the baggage that brings. so they made their own.

Not quite. They wanted their own intellectual property to make and use, not one that was owned by another entity where they couldn't make the changes they want. Although it is principally the same thing, it's less pejorative towards Forgotten Realms.
 

Arg Clin

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Its amazing, you can download high quality porn for free nowadays yet folks still need to see it in their games.
Not porn no - but it adds to the credibility and believability of the story. The visuals has to be in sync with the story being told.

It's an epic fail in DA2 to portray Isabella as a sort of nympho and then let it all add up to a severely anticlimatic (no pun intended) romance scene.

They were censored in DAO too. Unless you installed some mods, they were pretty tame.

The Witcher 2 did sex scenes right.
Yes DAO scenes were tame too - but not nearly as bad as those in DA2.

I agree 100% - The Witcher 2 did it right.
 
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Bateluer

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Not quite. They wanted their own intellectual property to make and use, not one that was owned by another entity where they couldn't make the changes they want. Although it is principally the same thing, it's less pejorative towards Forgotten Realms.

Second. While I enjoy the Forgotten Realms, a developer cannot make any real 'changes' to the canon without approval from WotC. Thedas allows Bioware to do pretty much anything they want. They can introduce important characters, then kill them off. They have have the player's actions impact Thedas for decades and centuries. They can obliterate entire cities. Try make an officially licensed FR CRPG that kills Elminster and Drizzt, and burn Waterdeep to the ground, and see what happens.
 

thespyder

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Second. While I enjoy the Forgotten Realms, a developer cannot make any real 'changes' to the canon without approval from WotC. Thedas allows Bioware to do pretty much anything they want. They can introduce important characters, then kill them off. They have have the player's actions impact Thedas for decades and centuries. They can obliterate entire cities. Try make an officially licensed FR CRPG that kills Elminster and Drizzt, and burn Waterdeep to the ground, and see what happens.

So exactly, but it is a bit more invasive than that. With Forgotten Realms, someone else (WoTC) runs the show 100%. They say when games get made. They get 100% approval rights on any material (major or minor) or changes thereof. With their own intellectual property, Bioware could have done anything they wanted, until EA came along and shackled them.
 

Bateluer

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So exactly, but it is a bit more invasive than that. With Forgotten Realms, someone else (WoTC) runs the show 100%. They say when games get made. They get 100% approval rights on any material (major or minor) or changes thereof. With their own intellectual property, Bioware could have done anything they wanted, until EA came along and shackled them.

They can still do anything they(EA) want. Sad to see the potential squandered though.
 

Fayd

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Not quite. They wanted their own intellectual property to make and use, not one that was owned by another entity where they couldn't make the changes they want. Although it is principally the same thing, it's less pejorative towards Forgotten Realms.

er, i thought i covered that with "with all the baggage that brings". i do remember seeing a developer discussion on this point, and it was made very clear that they wanted their own intellectual property due to being frustrated by using someone else's.
 
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