I don't get Dark Souls...

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Squeetard

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The game is just not for everybody. I was using a walkthrough and read a few game guides.
In a way I'm jealous of you guys who get it and enjoy the game, I don't like dying all the time, I like to feel powerful, or at least capable.
I did Arkham Origins before xmas, loved the combat, so fluid, I felt like a badass ninja. This game is not fluid. It is almost like a turn based strategy game.
 

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Well this was a good read. I haven't played Dark Souls, or really any PC game lately, mobile gaming has sucked up all my time.

I'll add that I did play Demon souls on PS3 for awhile (I realize this is PC gaming, just bare with me) and while I didn't beat it, I probably had maybe 20-30hours into it. After getting the hang of it my only complaints were 1) The camera or lack of camera controls frustrated me to no end, maybe this was done better on the PC release, but man I hated the camera angles SO much at critical times on PS3.
2) I could never figure out what was good to upgrade and why, it was over a year ago that I played, but I just recall the whole item upgrade process greatly lacking in information.

Other than that, I dig what they were doing, it felt DAMN good to get past a check point or finally get the jump on some bastard that killed you the first time.
 

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The game is just not for everybody. I was using a walkthrough and read a few game guides.
In a way I'm jealous of you guys who get it and enjoy the game, I don't like dying all the time, I like to feel powerful, or at least capable.
I did Arkham Origins before xmas, loved the combat, so fluid, I felt like a badass ninja. This game is not fluid. It is almost like a turn based strategy game.

A turned based strategy game? please troll a little lighter. You are still mad that this game smokes you so bad.

Batman makes you feel like a "badass ninja" because an over simplified game has a bunch of pre scripted motions it goes through? Wow you pressed Y to counter every time a spark symbol appeared over the enemies head.. impressive grasshopper.
 

Squeetard

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And that differs from pressing block every time an enemy attacks you how?
I'll tell you how. In Arkham origins the were different types of attacks with different counters. And several different counters to each type of attack. And combat was fluid. You could chain moves together.
I am offering up my honest opinion, in a respectful manner, and you are being a douche.
 

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they are different

in dark soul you have the stamina bar that gets depleted by everything you do in a battle. If you block an attack it lowers so you cant block forever, if you roll it lowers, if you attack it lowers.

Besides the fact that you are not batman, attack hurt you, some of them can kill you right away or leave you with 1/4 hp, and you only have a limited amount of estus (medikits) that only get refilled in the fireplace

you cant attack indefinetely to make a 20hits combo, your stamina will deplete and if it does you cant even block and you will be dead.

I havent played Origin, but i've played the other batman games, combat is a no brainer, and you have too many tricks, in dark souls is your weapon and your knowledge

Combat in dark souls is not fluid, is more realistic. You need to pause, dodge, attack and wait for your stamina to refill stepping away from battle for a little bit

Oh and something else, in dark souls what weapon you are carrying changes the combats drastically. Each weapon has its own set of moves, each weapon its unique. A "fast" attack, a "strong" attack, a dodge back attack, a rollforward attack, a jump attack and that set again if you are wielding it 2handed (attacks may change a lot if you are carrying it 1 handed or 2handed), and each weapon has an attack speed and an amount of stamina it lowers when you swing it.
Fast weapons do less damage but dont lower your stamina that much, besides they can be good for chaining 3 or 4 attacks. Slow weapons can be devastating if you hit, and you can only do 1 attack (maybe 2 if you upgrade your stamina) before you need to step back to recover.

up to where did you get on the game squee? if you got to the tutorial i ask you how many different enemies did you find in the batman's tutorial? silly henchmen? well those are like the squeletons in ds. you only got a glimpse of the game

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all that being said... dark souls is no perfect, you will die because you make mistakes and you will die because the game has some awkwards moments, like a golem pushing you to a cliff with its feet when it was turning around.

So if you dont like it, its fine, but that doesnt make the game bad... Its just different
 
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Squeetard

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all that being said... dark souls is no perfect, you will die because you make mistakes and you will die because the game has some awkwards moments, like a golem pushing you to a cliff with its feet when it was turning around.

So if you dont like it, its fine, but that doesnt make the game bad... Its just different

Thank you. That is all I've been saying, I even said I am kinda jealous of the peeps who get this and are enjoying it. I loves me some hack n' slash. But this game, to me, is frustrating and unrewarding, to me and a few others.
 

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Modern beat 'em ups like Batman grant players all of the ability and skill of a superhero, while games like Dark Souls simply allow you the potential to be a superhero. If you don't earn that potential using your own skills as a gamer however, then your pretty much fucked.
 

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It feels so appropriate that a Dark Souls thread has so much griefing in it.

You do have to have a sort of twisted sense of humor to enjoy the game. Hell, it's a game where other players can grief you by writing messages that basically say, "Hey, jump in this hole in the ground because it's a secret." And you jump in the hole, die and realize you got punked.

Or another player can join your game at any time without your consent and kill you. Often at a point when you've made significant progress without reaching the next bonfire (waypoint). Often at a point when you've gathered a ton of souls which you drop and possibly lose forever upon your death.


If these things happened to you and your response is, "This is infuriating and stupid," then you won't like Dark Souls. If these things happened to you and your response is "LOL," then Dark Souls is for you.

What you said at first actually makes me laugh...You could not be more right. I wish people would respond to my rational points that i have made numerous times.
 
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Grimbones

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Just an announcement, it has been 7 weeks since Grimbones was done with this thread. It's been 7 weeks and I'm sure that he is totally over this whole thing. I can't possibly imagine him, coming here, 7 weeks after he announced that he was finished with this thread, to once again talk about something that he hates to strangers that he will never meet.

I'm sure that Grimbones, the one that was finished with this thread 7 weeks ago, would not suddenly look at this thread again, 7 weeks later, and start posting to dig it all up again. And I'm sure that being a rational person, who had 7 weeks to get over it, wouldn't then ask to have it closed after he came back, 7 weeks later, to bring it up all over again. I mean, who would do such a thing, after 7 weeks. Clearly, Grimbones, is a rational person to be having a conversation with.

Thanks for bringing nothing to the table except the obvious. I came back because i went back to see why i had been so frustrated with this thread--do you not have a long term memory or something? I came back because i was having so much fun with BF4 i wanted to see why people were so in love with this game.

I conceded points, I conceded why people may like the game, I stopped talking on the thread, and then people started putting the boots to me for sport, so i came back and responded after i found out they were talking crap after i dropped the argument. It's really not that hard to follow logically.

I left in a fit of anger because a bunch of childish individuals were not listening to my rational arguments, and were creating fictions to match their arguments, and i felt i was unable to get through to them, so what was the point? These were my rational and emotional thoughts intersecting...as a human being i'm sure you have never made an ass of yourself...i'm sure you're immune to all manners of humanity.

I'm glad you took the time to further pile on me by adding nothing to the conversation. Good day. Please respond if you feel fit to.
 
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And that differs from pressing block every time an enemy attacks you how?
I'll tell you how. In Arkham origins the were different types of attacks with different counters. And several different counters to each type of attack. And combat was fluid. You could chain moves together.
I am offering up my honest opinion, in a respectful manner, and you are being a douche.

Yes, yes he was. Thank you for actually responding like a human being. This is what i had to put up with for venting my frustration. You really didn't even do that and they are still treating you like a child because you did not approve of a game that they seem to be very much in love with--because otherwise, why all the blind loyalty?

I love LOVE LOVE LOVED Red Dead Redemption, WoW, Bioshock (the original) yet i can still find faults with all of those games. I loved them way more than these people love Dark Souls (if that's possible--they seem to be bordering on infatuation), and i can still say you know what they could have done xyz to make these almost flawless games better.

Sorry you got pulled into this trap, if a MODERATOR WOULD LOCK THIS THREAD, IT WOULD STOP BEING TROLL BAIT.
 

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Your just frustrated and venting. This is not the way it is. This is your opinion of the way you think it is. Experiences vary. I too was frustrated by dark souls in the beginning, but that's only because I was new to the game. Yes the beginning was punishing, but once I learned the mechanics and what was expected of me as the player to survive and push onward, the combat became very very rewarding.

You actually have to time dodges and rolls and attacks, and every swing and strike counts. You cant say that about most games. Skyrim on the other hand.. which I love, has very simple combat that gets boring quickly.

The reason I picked up dark souls was because I had experience with From Software when they developed the Kings Field series. I loved that series when I was younger. It too was a punishing rpg, but its game play is never unfair or cheap and if you are frustrated that is YOUR fault for not adapting to what the game requires to succeed.

I admitted i was frustrated and just venting. I understand other people can feel one way and not another, which is actually why I was asking what people found rewarding about the game, after doing some investigative work, i found that people like their patience being tried--I have admitted. I DO NOT. They enjoy slowly walking through the levels to be prepared for every fight and make sure they do not get surprised. I DO NOT.

If this was on a graph the Reward/Risk ratio would be so piss poor that i found nothing entertaining. About 2 hours into the game i realized what the rest of the game was going to be like...a lot of needless frustration..so i quit, i quit and i never looked back...I responded because people were being jerks. I could beat the game, i beat Ninja Gaiden, but at this stage of my life (adult) i do not really feel validated by beating a hard game, nor did i feel that the game was providing anything of value to my life, only needless frustration so i said...you know what--fuck this game....so i made a post about it because i wanted to see why people enjoyed it.

As i've said many times before IN THIS THREAD, people tend to respond with--and i'm taking creative liberties, but this is what it boils down to--L2p, personal insults, you should go play candy land because you must be too inept to figure out a difficult game etc...

A few people were constructive, and i disagreed, perhaps too fervently, and incurred the personal attacks of many others.

I now understand why you guys enjoy the game. I no longer care. At this point, as i have made plainly clear to the MODS there is very little use coming from this thread. If i knew how to delete it i would. It's providing little value.

At this point i am only responding to personal attacks aimed at me and my character, and that's a waste of time, but i feel the need to do so. Have a wonderful day.
 

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Yes, yes he was. Thank you for actually responding like a human being. This is what i had to put up with for venting my frustration. You really didn't even do that and they are still treating you like a child because you did not approve of a game that they seem to be very much in love with--because otherwise, why all the blind loyalty?

I love LOVE LOVE LOVED Red Dead Redemption, WoW, Bioshock (the original) yet i can still find faults with all of those games. I loved them way more than these people love Dark Souls (if that's possible--they seem to be bordering on infatuation), and i can still say you know what they could have done xyz to make these almost flawless games better.

Sorry you got pulled into this trap, if a MODERATOR WOULD LOCK THIS THREAD, IT WOULD STOP BEING TROLL BAIT.

Your the one who decided to dig this thread up after 7 weeks, seems like you had trouble getting your point across last time as well as this time.

Must be a reason why this game was so popular, shame you can't get into it so just deal with it and let it go
 

Grimbones

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Your the one who decided to dig this thread up after 7 weeks, seems like you had trouble getting your point across last time as well as this time.

Must be a reason why this game was so popular, shame you can't get into it so just deal with it and let it go

It's popular because it's difficult. Napolean Dynamite was popular, that did not make it worth watching. Nazi's were popular in Germany at one time, and still is to some people. What does the popularity of a game have to do with the enjoyment of it? That argument is asinine. All it means is people are sheep in large numbers.
 
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I loved the game, and didn't find the game that hard TBH. If i messed up, i learned and didn't mess it up again at that point. I would think if you can so frustrated and don't like a game, why are you even playing? do you feel slighted that you're not good at it? It's funny that you mention EQ being hardcore when all it was is just mindless grinding. I raided in wow in a top 30 us guild and we've pulled certain bosses more than 400 times. so because another game is considered hardcore and you do well, you should be amazing at another game? I don't go into a game thinking im going to be amazing, maybe you should treat other games as such.

Only 2 places caused me to die a lot, new londo ruin archers and oreinstein fight

I am no longer playing. I felt annoyed that i was not "good at it", then i realized i had all the skills to venture through the game to the end, but no patience to do it, so i quit. I can block, i can sit there and block all game long, it's just not any fun to me. I honestly can't think of another game that i played that was similar to this one in terms of difficulty--besides Ninja Gaiden which i mentioned was a lot of fun even if it was incredibly challenging also. Battletoads maybe? I quit that after i stopped being able to progress in that, i was also like 8 years old.

Grinding? I loved what people call Grinding, the social atmosphere of the game, the rich world, the crafting, the class interdependence, the reliance on others. All great things IMO. The exploration...all rewarding.

I played WoW too, we had a pretty damn good raiding guild, honestly i preferred PvP...it was just more my thing, i enjoy competition, do i get frustrated when i lose, yes, i was one of the most hated people on the server because of how opinionated i get when i lose. You all know that already. I hate losing. Hate it. Hate it. That being said, how is learning how to kill a boss not a grind? You learn it until you can kill them then you rinse and repeat. Grind. Once i started to have to study boss runs in my guild, i lost interest. I was a hunter leader and i would barely research the fights, and i would tell people what to do, and try to adapt during the fights. I'm not going to sit there and study a guide in order to beat a fight lol...talk about dull.

That's not playing a game, that's the game playing you. It's trying to see how many hoops you will jump through in order to have fun. I like to just skip all that and go right to the fun having.

You pulled certain bosses more than 400 times. I don't even know what that means, nor do i care. I can't think of anything more boring than fighting the same boss over and over and over. All that means is you got the fights down to a science so that they were no longer challenging. I hate doing things that are easy. I didn't enjoy PUG stomping in BG's. I didn't enjoy getting PUG stomped in BG's. It's no fun if there is no challenge.

I don't go into a game thinking i am going to be amazing either. In fact, i've been playing BF4 for about a month now...i played Hearthstone for awhile after Dark Souls--got frustrated--and went to BF4 and am still having fun for now. Anyway, so i played BF4, and i was awful, i figured i was past my prime, i'm 27, and my reflexes are definitely not what they used to be--maybe that didn't help me in Dark Souls, but i certainly wasn't going to stick around to find out--but i digress, i was around a .4 KD ratio. Which is abysmal.

I've been working at it and i'm around even on KD ratio now, and will probably move above that. It's actually a fun game, i can look at what i'm doing wrong, analyze it and play better. There are certain games where i just "lose myself" and it's like i'm 18 again and i go on a 19-1 run. It's great fun, but it doesn't happen often. Typically now when i do well i realize i'm doing well and then i die 5 times in a row. It's kind of tragic irony.

I'm glad you're an amazing gamer. You feel the need to publicize how great you are. That's fine. I guess i felt the need to publicize how bad i was at the game, because i was frustrated.

Either way, we're just two human beings sitting here on our computers.
 

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Godwin's law has been invoked, time to close the thread.

Sorry i'm not a psych major--i found it tedious. But i asked for this thread to be closed long before that. Also, i found the reference valid. Popularity has no bearing on anything in regards to its validity.

edit: In fact, i reported my own post in order to petition a lock--turns out mod's don't seem to care.
 
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It's popular because it's difficult. Napolean Dynamite was popular, that did not make it worth watching. Nazi's were popular in Germany at one time, and still is to some people. What does the popularity of a game have to do with the enjoyment of it? That argument is asinine. All it means is people are sheep in large numbers.

Uh what does the popularity of a game have to do with the enjoyment of it?

The whole idea of playing games is based off of enjoyment factor.

So the argument that entertainment such as a video game specifically made to be consumed for pleasure and then said video game being popular for that very reason kinda makes sense. Look the game has a learning curve and a play style all its own that can be frustrating if you dont pick up on it.

But once mastered its rewarding, at least that was my experience with the game. I beat it and I loved it thank you very much, but you play what you like I could care less.


I have a sneaking suspicion that if you actually progressed in this game we wouldnt be here now catering to your need for validation that you dont suck, its the game that sucks. :thumbsup:
 

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Uh what does the popularity of a game have to do with the enjoyment of it?

The whole idea of playing games is based off of enjoyment factor.

So the argument that entertainment such as a video game specifically made to be consumed for pleasure and then said video game being popular for that very reason kinda makes sense. Look the game has a learning curve and a play style all its own that can be frustrating if you dont pick up on it.

But once mastered its rewarding, at least that was my experience with the game. I beat it and I loved it thank you very much, but you play what you like I could care less.


I have a sneaking suspicion that if you actually progressed in this game we wouldnt be here now catering to your need for validation that you dont suck, its the game that sucks. :thumbsup:

I played the MMO Rift in beta, i said, this game is not going to last because it has no staying power, and it's almost a carbon copy of WoW, with W:AR public quests thrown in. Everybody in the beta forums went bananas.

The game sold extremely well for a month or two, then everyone vanished. Because it was basically what i said. What was hilarious was they actually had the game advertised as "you're not in Azeroth anymore." Which was hilarious, because the games were so similar. I'm not saying that i am an oracle, or that i know what games are going to be popular, but i'm a pretty good judge of enjoyment factor because i tend to be pretty unbiased.

That being said. I bought this game off of a recommendation of a buddy. He listened to me complain about games becoming too much easy mode (MMOs mainly), and no difficulty and he suggested this. I complained to him afterwards--the same as i am doing here-- and he just laughed cuz he knew that would be my response, because it was the same that he had.

This is what Dark Souls provides the player who beats it and does well and enjoys it. It's a nice ego stroke. Which is fine, i would do the same thing probably brag about beating it too, but i don't have the patience to do so, and i would never go into a forum saying "well I BEAT IT HANDILY, so you know, you must be more well equipped to playing Hello Kitty Online...!" I'm not the internet badass that most of you are.

The worst is the people who keep saying "it's not even very hard". Those bother me more than anyone, because YOU KNOW they died countless times before they figured out the formula, or they researched the hell out of the game before playing it. I just heard it was good and difficult and bought it for $7.50.

Look dude, i really have no ill will toward you, or anyone in this thread. I just hate the people who are being condescending toward me because i felt strongly about disliking a game they enjoy.

Edit: I put my college art degree to work and made something to try to help convey my feelings during my few hours with Dark Souls.
 
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I left in a fit of anger because a bunch of childish individuals were not listening to my rational arguments, and were creating fictions to match their arguments

But this is completely false. Most people in this thread were retorting your baseless declarations about the game.

As i've said many times before IN THIS THREAD, people tend to respond with--and i'm taking creative liberties, but this is what it boils down to--L2p, personal insults, you should go play candy land because you must be too inept to figure out a difficult game etc...

That isn't what happened at all either. People gave you some sound advice, but you came into the thread with your mind already made up. Go reread your opening post - it left no room for discussion or argument. You were 100% convinced that this game was a waste of time, no matter what other people had to say.

i'm a pretty good judge of enjoyment factor because i tend to be pretty unbiased.

Well you are way off in this case....

This is what Dark Souls provides the player who beats it and does well and enjoys it. It's a nice ego stroke. Which is fine, i would do the same thing probably brag about beating it too, but i don't have the patience to do so, and i would never go into a forum saying "well I BEAT IT HANDILY, so you know, you must be more well equipped to playing Hello Kitty Online...!" I'm not the internet badass that most of you are.

This is also false. The souls series (because you know there is a spiritual predecessor, plus some) was not about difficulty. It was about exploration, mystery, and finally having a game that didn't tell you what to do at every single moment and let you walk through the entire thing in a haze.

It wasn't until the PC release that people started acting like the game was hard. I don't know if it was because of the marketing, the weird lack of skill in certain pc gaming crowds, or a mixture of both.

The worst is the people who keep saying "it's not even very hard". Those bother me more than anyone, because YOU KNOW they died countless times before they figured out the formula, or they researched the hell out of the game before playing it. I just heard it was good and difficult and bought it for $7.50.

But it isn't that hard! On the physical, reflex based side of things Ninja Gaiden is more certainly harder. The difference is on the mental side. In Ninja Gaiden you don't have to think much - just purely react. It's more timing than character buildings, situational management, or any sort of exploration. You go from area to area linearly while beating baddies.

Dark Souls tones down the twitch difficulty and adds a layer of mental challenge. The best part of the game is trying to figure out where you are, what to do, and finding your path to victory. Everything is intentionally opaque to have the game be shrouded in mystery. It adds to the dark and foreboding atmosphere, but none of it is so far reaching that you can't grasp the reigns of destiny and steer your character into taking down demigods.

Look dude, i really have no ill will toward you, or anyone in this thread. I just hate the people who are being condescending toward me because i felt strongly about disliking a game they enjoy.

I think you are simply being way too dramatic for you own good. You are acting in an emotional manner, and it causes a disconnect in the thread.
 

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Just like to say I am also among those who don't understand dark soul players. I've been playing everquest since day 1, and hardcore in both eq and wow. I play all the final fantasies as well as most of squares rpgs. I can't find a single redeeming thing about dark souls. It looks bad. The environment are dull. The monsters are dull. The gear is dull. The story is dull.

I guess no matter how much a game sucks, someone out there will like it and they may be very vocal about it. I guess that is one of the nice things about releasing on console, even crap games sell well.
 

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But this is completely false. Most people in this thread were retorting your baseless declarations about the game.



That isn't what happened at all either. People gave you some sound advice, but you came into the thread with your mind already made up. Go reread your opening post - it left no room for discussion or argument. You were 100% convinced that this game was a waste of time, no matter what other people had to say.



Well you are way off in this case....



This is also false. The souls series (because you know there is a spiritual predecessor, plus some) was not about difficulty. It was about exploration, mystery, and finally having a game that didn't tell you what to do at every single moment and let you walk through the entire thing in a haze.

It wasn't until the PC release that people started acting like the game was hard. I don't know if it was because of the marketing, the weird lack of skill in certain pc gaming crowds, or a mixture of both.



But it isn't that hard! On the physical, reflex based side of things Ninja Gaiden is more certainly harder. The difference is on the mental side. In Ninja Gaiden you don't have to think much - just purely react. It's more timing than character buildings, situational management, or any sort of exploration. You go from area to area linearly while beating baddies.

Dark Souls tones down the twitch difficulty and adds a layer of mental challenge. The best part of the game is trying to figure out where you are, what to do, and finding your path to victory. Everything is intentionally opaque to have the game be shrouded in mystery. It adds to the dark and foreboding atmosphere, but none of it is so far reaching that you can't grasp the reigns of destiny and steer your character into taking down demigods.



I think you are simply being way too dramatic for you own good. You are acting in an emotional manner, and it causes a disconnect in the thread.

Look, i know you enjoy the game, you know i did not enjoy the game. Let me play a scenario for you. I was in the game, and this was just a random moment, not like a defining moment, but one that just happened to occur. I was fighting 3 skeletons at a time, and i used the hotkey to lock onto said character so i could swing at him. I had already que'ed up the attack.

Problem was, apparently there was an archer 70 feet in the background that was targeted instead of the 3 skeletons 2 feet in front of me. so i proceeded to swing incoherently at a skeleton that was nonsensically far away.

So i died, again. It's stuff like that that puts me off about the game. This happened often. I found that i could easily progress through the level by dual wielding my club and just jump lunging at skeletons rather than slowly pick through them with shield. Even if i died once, the 10 other times i was flying through them, so it was worth the time investment, even if it meant having to redo it again.

Again, within the first 30 minutes of the game, i received a "note" which most had actually been helpful, to kill the shopkeeper. I did not know he would not respawn, i actually felt like it might be a bad idea, but i figured hey, maybe i'd get some stuff and it's some secret. He died, i could no longer buy ranged items, and it hampered me in a very bad way. Another learning moment. I became increasingly frustrated. Clearly i put my trust in the wrong people, but when the game explains nothing to you--i literally was unable to find an explanation for what stats effected what in my entire playtime--i decided to trust someone. It did not work out for the better, and god knows i did not enjoy my playtime up to that point so i certainly did not want to start over and grind through everything again, even if i was not very far along.

I trust you read the part about the Dragon that smote me with impunity with barely a warning. Please tell me how i was supposed to expect that. Someone said after the fact that there were spots of oil on the bridge--which made no sense, but whatever--and charred bodies. Well earlier in the level, twice in fact (if i remember correctly), the dragon dropped in front of me and seemed to ignore me completely...so honestly the dragon was the last thing on my mind, especially considering i had killed a boss and felt i should have a campfire ahead soon. It was not. I lost all those souls, because i did not want to backtrack to have to go through everything again just to rest at the campfire. That's tedious to me. If it's not to you, i understand, and more power to you, but i just have very little patience for that kind of game design.

I could continue about being blind sided around corners whilst having to block arrows, but i will not. The game just uses every opportunity to needle the player, and it got to me.

Consult my graph.

I did not find this game to be very explorative. Just as i did not find Dark Siders 2 to be very explorative, even though the game is much more open than Dark Souls. It's fairly linear, just because they do not tell you exactly what path to take does not mean you have a bunch of options really. At least not at the point where i was...Who wants the exploration to come after you've logged hours upon hours into a game. Wasn't that one of the main gripes about FF13?

I wanted to like it. The loading screen and character creation was awesome, afterwards i was sadly sadly disappointed.

Why do you hate drama so much? Are you afraid of emotions? Why can you not understand emotions in others. I have admitted a hundred times now fault of my own in this thread, nobody else really has.

Why do i continue to post? Because i like to think i can get through to people. Because maybe i feel at fault, because maybe i feel that if i talk to someone enough they will get to see i am not a horrible human being.

Sorry if that all makes you uncomfortable. I am stubborn, and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

If after all that you cannot find it within yourself to see an inkling of why this game upset me, i don't know what more i can say.
 
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Just like to say I am also among those who don't understand dark soul players. I've been playing everquest since day 1, and hardcore in both eq and wow. I play all the final fantasies as well as most of squares rpgs. I can't find a single redeeming thing about dark souls. It looks bad. The environment are dull. The monsters are dull. The gear is dull. The story is dull.

I guess no matter how much a game sucks, someone out there will like it and they may be very vocal about it. I guess that is one of the nice things about releasing on console, even crap games sell well.

Well at least i am not completely alone.
 
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