I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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The debate commission is going to mute mics this time. I would not be surprised if Trump refuses to debate again.
I hate how everyone is biased against Biden*. Take the Trump training wheels off and let him look like a fucking loon.

*Statement is mostly sarcasm.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Travis County (Austin) isn't doing too bad, either. As of today, 31% of registered voters have cast a ballot. That's just 7 days into the 18 day early voting period.

Also note, that's 31% of the record 97% of eligible voters that were registered.
I, a true blue Okie, will play "God Blessed Texas" loudly and repeatedly if by some miracle Texas turns this year.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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Breaking down the Texas numbers.

Texas set a lot of records. One thing that the break down shows is of the 1.8million new registered voters, 600,000 of them come from three deep blue counties, Harris, Bexar, and Travis. Remember Cruz only beat Beto by 220k votes.

People should definitely keep on eye on Texas. Over 25% of registered voters have already voted. Election night returns should come quickly. My guess it won’t be called until 99% reporting but that should be by 10pm central.

I’d also like to bring up some polling. Trafalgar group says they take into account the shy Trump voter effect. When in reality they are R biased GOP polling firm. How close were they in the Beto v Cruz 2018 race? They were no where close. They had Cruz up over 9% in their final poll. The final result was Cruz by 2.5%.

Texas is at the tipping point thanks to Betos ground infrastructure that he has kept building since 2018. The state Dems and Beto have focused on the down ballot races. Texas goes blue this year or in the 2022 Governors race that I feel will be Patrick v. Beto.
 
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K1052

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Breaking down the Texas numbers.

Texas set a lot of records. One thing that the break down shows is of the 1.8million new registered voters, 600,000 of them come from three deep blue counties, Harris, Bexar, and Travis. Remember Cruz only beat Beto by 220k votes.

People should definitely keep on eye on Texas. Over 25% of registered voters have already voted. Election night returns should come quickly. My guess it won’t be called until 99% reporting but that should be by 10pm central.

I’d also like to bring up some polling. Trafalgar group says they take into account the shy Trump voter effect. When in reality they are R biased GOP polling firm. How close were they in the Beto v Cruz 2018 race? They were no where close. They had Cruz up over 9% in their final poll. The final result was Cruz by 2.5%.

Texas is at the tipping point thanks to Betos ground infrastructure that he has kept building since 2018. The state Dems and Beto have focused on the down ballot races. Texas goes blue this year or in the 2022 Governors race that I feel will be Patrick v. Beto.

Travis County has already hit 58% percent of 2016 turnout with two weeks to go.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Travis County has already hit 58% percent of 2016 turnout with two weeks to go.
I think that answers the enthusiasm question for Dems.

And every person that votes early is one person not in line on election day, making it easier for people to vote on election day.
 

Wreckem

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Travis County has already hit 58% percent of 2016 turnout with two weeks to go.

The state as a whole was at 45% of 2016 vote totals. With essentially two weeks to go Texas is going to shatter the 2016 vote totals.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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The state as a whole was at 45% of 2016 vote totals. With essentially two weeks to go Texas is going to shatter the 2016 vote totals.
Up to 52% now. 4.61M people have voted in Texas. About the same as all votes for Trump in 2016.

ETA: Florida is at 32.3% and Georgia is at 41.4%.
 
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K1052

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The state as a whole was at 45% of 2016 vote totals. With essentially two weeks to go Texas is going to shatter the 2016 vote totals.

Moving from a low turnout state to even a moderate turnout state would be a major change for TX. One the GOP here is not at all happy about.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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538 has Trump up by 1.3% in Texas, well within the margin of error, so it's all about turnout. He was up by 8.5% in 2016 & won by 9%. Texas turnout is traditionally low, so there's a lot of uncharted territory. If the Texas GOP isn't running scared, they probably should be.
 

fskimospy

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538 has Trump up by 1.3% in Texas, well within the margin of error, so it's all about turnout. He was up by 8.5% in 2016 & won by 9%. Texas turnout is traditionally low, so there's a lot of uncharted territory. If the Texas GOP isn't running scared, they probably should be.
We should be clear that the margin of error for poll aggregates is much smaller than for individual polls and we don't really know what the margin of error here is. That being said, 538 gives Biden roughly the same chance to win Texas as it gave Trump to win the presidency in 2016.
 
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K1052

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Interesting doings in forecaster land noting that Trump is running well behind in a growing number of districts vs 2016 based on R and D internals. This was the first sign in 2016 that things had turned against Hillary. Some speculation that reality could be closer to the national polling than the state polls due to so many people getting burned by those in 16 and overcorrecting. We'll see.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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538 has Trump up by 1.3% in Texas, well within the margin of error, so it's all about turnout. He was up by 8.5% in 2016 & won by 9%. Texas turnout is traditionally low, so there's a lot of uncharted territory. If the Texas GOP isn't running scared, they probably should be.
I just heard on their podcast, Nate Silver was saying he thinks pollsters might be hedging a bit in traditional red states. They'd rather be wrong on the side of Trump than wrong on the side of Biden.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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We should be clear that the margin of error for poll aggregates is much smaller than for individual polls and we don't really know what the margin of error here is. That being said, 538 gives Biden roughly the same chance to win Texas as it gave Trump to win the presidency in 2016.

I'm confident that the margin of error is greater than 1.3% simply because a huge gain in turnout introduces variables not previously in play.
 
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uclaLabrat

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I'm confident that the margin of error is greater than 1.3% simply because a huge gain in turnout introduces variables not previously in play.
Yeah, but those are model effects, not impact of the sample size on the statistical confidence interval.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Breaking down the Texas numbers.

Texas set a lot of records. One thing that the break down shows is of the 1.8million new registered voters, 600,000 of them come from three deep blue counties, Harris, Bexar, and Travis. Remember Cruz only beat Beto by 220k votes.

People should definitely keep on eye on Texas. Over 25% of registered voters have already voted. Election night returns should come quickly. My guess it won’t be called until 99% reporting but that should be by 10pm central.

I’d also like to bring up some polling. Trafalgar group says they take into account the shy Trump voter effect. When in reality they are R biased GOP polling firm. How close were they in the Beto v Cruz 2018 race? They were no where close. They had Cruz up over 9% in their final poll. The final result was Cruz by 2.5%.

Texas is at the tipping point thanks to Betos ground infrastructure that he has kept building since 2018. The state Dems and Beto have focused on the down ballot races. Texas goes blue this year or in the 2022 Governors race that I feel will be Patrick v. Beto.

Beto ended his political career in Texas by saying hell yes we're coming for your guns. I'm so pissed at him for being a dumbshit in his presidential run since otherwise he would have beaten Cornyn (Cruz is much better liked by GOP voters out here) and maybe even dragged Biden along for a Texas win. Gun control is an electoral loser and Beto should have kept his focus on healthcare.
 
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alexruiz

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I suspect mismanagement is a big part of it, but people and big donor corps. just aren’t donating to him. I don't know why - he does so much for them. He even learned what “quid pro quo” means, and uses it regularly.

You are right.
I think that while tax breaks help the big fish keep more money, in the end, they understand that STABILITY is paramount.
In grad business school you get hammered a lot with "stability and risk / country factors" when taking those courses on economics.
Who cares about a lower tax rate if there is no country left?

Regardless, let's bury the cheeto!

Edit: Forgot about it. The super rich are heavily dependent on stock price, as most of their wealth is stock options.
 

nickqt

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You are right.
I think that while tax breaks help the big fish keep more money, in the end, they understand that STABILITY is paramount.
In grad business school you get hammered a lot with "stability and risk / country factors" when taking those courses on economics.
Who cares about a lower tax rate if there is no country left?

Regardless, let's bury the cheeto!

Edit: Forgot about it. The super rich are heavily dependent on stock price, as most of their wealth is stock options.
For the super rich, liquid wealth above a certain point becomes irrational. As in, having $500,000,000 in liquid wealth means everything on earth is essentially free. There's no reason to be that liquid, when you can let the criminals on Wall St. manufacture ROI.

When the criminals on Wall St. inevitably break our manufactured "economy" and crash the market, most of the Wall St. criminals have already extracted "wealth" and are just fine, and the super rich are basically handed a windfall.

When the stock market takes a shit, the super rich use their irrational liquid wealth to buy up shares and real property at firesale prices.

Rinse, repeat.

It always amuses me when people believe the super rich get bummed out when the market crashes. They're about to quadruple their wealth in a short period of time, much greater than some 7% or so annual ROI they might earn in a "functioning" market. They're insulated from a shit economy, unlike everyone else who have to pay the bills when the Wall St. casino craps out.

And of course the only Wall St. criminals who actually get prosecuted for the myriad of crimes committed are the ones who stole from the super rich. People who stole from everyone else get positions at the SEC and as Treasury Secretary.
 

blankslate

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It's more about Trump's terrible governance biting him in the ass as more people wake up to the fact that he is in fact a shite executive.

The 30% to 40% who still support Trump are basically TFGs or just greedy fucks (like 50 cent).


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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Up to 52% now. 4.61M people have voted in Texas. About the same as all votes for Trump in 2016.

ETA: Florida is at 32.3% and Georgia is at 41.4%.
Another 700,000 people voted in Texas yesterday, up to 59.6% of 2016 turnout.

GA is now 46.7% and FL is 39.1%.
 
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gothuevos

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The Trafalgar pollster predicting another "silent Trump vote" will carry him to victory. I think things are a bit different this time around, but I know a lot of Democrats are nervous about this other shoe dropping.
 
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