I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

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ivwshane

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This is true. Like I said, there won’t be anything constructive coming from his side just constant attacks. The problem is those attacks resonate with many Americans so Joe will need to defend against all whilst making his case on getting the country back on track. It’s sort of (heck not sort of, it is..) unfair to Joe because he’s expected to debate while Trump isn’t.

If you’ve watched any of Biden’s debates you’d know he can easily hold his own against someone like trump. Where Biden struggles is against someone like Harris or warren, as in people who really, really, know their shit.
 

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If you’ve watched any of Biden’s debates you’d know he can easily hold his own against someone like trump. Where Biden struggles is against someone like Harris or warren, as in people who really, really, know their shit.

I watched (I think) all of the primary debates. He held his own just fine for the most part but there was one point with Julian Castro that turned heated for him and Castro was accusing Biden of not remembering things.


I think Biden will do fine against Trump for sure and honestly he just needs to let Trump act a fool and dig his own holes, but during the debates you know as well as I do that Biden’s mental capacity (if that’s the right term) will be brought up by Trump.

At the end of the day I see him doing just fine, he’s got a good team behind him and they’ll make sure he’s well prepared to counter any sort of dog s#&$ that Trump throws his way. And like you said he basically just has to prove he’s the sane, normal, competent choice to vote for which should be a pretty easy feat.
 

ivwshane

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I watched (I think) all of the primary debates. He held his own just fine for the most part but there was one point with Julian Castro that turned heated for him and Castro was accusing Biden of not remembering things.


I think Biden will do fine against Trump for sure and honestly he just needs to let Trump act a fool and dig his own holes, but during the debates you know as well as I do that Biden’s mental capacity (if that’s the right term) will be brought up by Trump.

At the end of the day I see him doing just fine, he’s got a good team behind him and they’ll make sure he’s well prepared to counter any sort of dog s#&$ that Trump throws his way. And like you said he basically just has to prove he’s the sane, normal, competent choice to vote for which should be a pretty easy feat.


I remember that and do you know what’s funny about that? Turns out Biden was right and Castro was wrong.

 

K1052

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I think he’ll be fine in a debate and you’re right he did just fine in the primaries so why shouldn’t he now. But there are worries out there ((seeded by the Trump campaign no doubt) that Biden needs to dispel. He has to debate Trump and barring any kind of dumb gaffs will prove to the electorate that he’s the more sane and stable candidate. Given the chaos of this year I think people are desperate for that. But he has to debate Trump, if he doesn’t his campaign is over.

Biden has always said he'd debate Trump. Ironically it is the Trump camp who has not officially accepted the invitation.

I doubt the debates will change any minds really which polls indicate are very largely made up already.
 

Zorba

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Yeah don't worry - when in a clown car of 10+ candidates on the debate stage, I'm sure his speaking time won't increase exponentially. Nothing to worry about....
Biden went 1 on 1 with Bernie on March 15th and did just fine.
 

Zorba

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Biden has always said he'd debate Trump. Ironically it is the Trump camp who has not officially accepted the invitation.

I doubt the debates will change any minds really which polls indicate are very largely made up already.
Yeah, all the talk of Biden not debating has always been projection from the Trump campaign.
 
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Yeah, all the talk of Biden not debating has always been projection from the Trump campaign.

Then why are they keeping Biden off the TV screen as much as possible after a laundry list of gaffs after getting the presumed nomination?

Why is his staff and actual party (with the likes of Pelosi) saying that he shouldn't debate Trump?



The answer is pretty simple - he's not bad with prepared canned speeches and prepared canned counter-points that are written on a piece of paper. But with a Trump style debate, those just don't have a place. He will put Biden on the spot and Biden won't have something prepared and will look like a complete idiot.

Trump looks like an idiot all the time to the point where it looks normal.
 

soundforbjt

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Then why are they keeping Biden off the TV screen as much as possible after a laundry list of gaffs after getting the presumed nomination?

Why is his staff and actual party (with the likes of Pelosi) saying that he shouldn't debate Trump?



The answer is pretty simple - he's not bad with prepared canned speeches and prepared canned counter-points that are written on a piece of paper. But with a Trump style debate, those just don't have a place. He will put Biden on the spot and Biden won't have something prepared and will look like a complete idiot.

Trump looks like an idiot all the time to the point where it looks normal.
Let me guess...you think Trump won the debates with Clinton?
 

Thump553

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I saw a poll in the last few days predicting Trump would win the debate by a large margin. I really hope Trump does show up for the debate. OTOH Hlllary mopped the floor with him in every debate they had and look where we ended up.
 

Jhhnn

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Then why are they keeping Biden off the TV screen as much as possible after a laundry list of gaffs after getting the presumed nomination?

Why is his staff and actual party (with the likes of Pelosi) saying that he shouldn't debate Trump?



The answer is pretty simple - he's not bad with prepared canned speeches and prepared canned counter-points that are written on a piece of paper. But with a Trump style debate, those just don't have a place. He will put Biden on the spot and Biden won't have something prepared and will look like a complete idiot.

Trump looks like an idiot all the time to the point where it looks normal.

Why ask dishonest questions?
 
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fskimospy

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Then why are they keeping Biden off the TV screen as much as possible after a laundry list of gaffs after getting the presumed nomination?

Why is his staff and actual party (with the likes of Pelosi) saying that he shouldn't debate Trump?



The answer is pretty simple - he's not bad with prepared canned speeches and prepared canned counter-points that are written on a piece of paper. But with a Trump style debate, those just don't have a place. He will put Biden on the spot and Biden won't have something prepared and will look like a complete idiot.

Trump looks like an idiot all the time to the point where it looks normal.
The guy who predicted Biden would do poorly in a one on one debate, only to later learn he had already done them has some more thoughts about how the debates will go.
 

fskimospy

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I saw a poll in the last few days predicting Trump would win the debate by a large margin. I really hope Trump does show up for the debate. OTOH Hlllary mopped the floor with him in every debate they had and look where we ended up.
If that’s the case that’s good news for Biden. He will do fine, and then people will be SHOCKED.

The debates aren’t really debates anyway, they are scripted exercises where it’s very easy to avoid uncomfortable/bad subjects. Usually the two candidates aren’t even allowed to address each other.

I think the main cause of this poll is conservatives swallowing their own bullshit. I remember how Greenman was utterly shocked that Biden could give a good speech at the convention despite there being no rational reason to doubt this. He had just internalized right wing lies about Biden and was genuinely surprised that the people who lie about everything had lied about this too.
 

ondma

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He’s gone all in on Russian propaganda and has become a useful idiot. You can’t tell him this because he’s been brainwashed to distrust everyone including what his own eyes see.
I think it is a mistake to double down on this as Biden seems to be doing. There are plenty of other things to attack Trump for besides what is becoming (and probably will always remain) a he said/she said and using "un-named sources", who apparently are not coming forward. Yes, what he said is terrible if true, but again, it seems we will never know what was actually said. Biden's focus on this just hints at desperation to me.
 

fskimospy

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I think it is a mistake to double down on this as Biden seems to be doing. There are plenty of other things to attack Trump for besides what is becoming (and probably will always remain) a he said/she said and using "un-named sources", who apparently are not coming forward. Yes, what he said is terrible if true, but again, it seems we will never know what was actually said. Biden's focus on this just hints at desperation to me.
The guy with a huge lead is desperate? Wut? I think he’s focusing on it because his internal polling is showing it’s an effective line of attack.

Really it’s not hard to see that Trump is in panicked, desperation mode now. His campaign is flailing so badly that they are trying to insult Biden for visiting his son’s grave. His own campaign has surrendered on the possibility of winning the popular vote and are now focused on squeezing out a tiny electoral college victory again.
 

K1052

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I think it is a mistake to double down on this as Biden seems to be doing. There are plenty of other things to attack Trump for besides what is becoming (and probably will always remain) a he said/she said and using "un-named sources", who apparently are not coming forward. Yes, what he said is terrible if true, but again, it seems we will never know what was actually said. Biden's focus on this just hints at desperation to me.

Trump is on video basically saying the stuff about McCain that he's alleged to have in private. I'm not sure how the idea he has a low opinion of military service stretches credulity when his own statements over the years clearly imply this.

It does not matter if the sources are named are not. If not named it's made up. If they come out and say it they are disgruntled. There is no level of accusation that he won't dispute or deflect. He once tried to claim the Access Hollywood tape was fabricated for Christs sake after he admitted it was him. Trump is made of low moral character, cruelty, and has unpopular opinions and the only issue is if the people who support him just embrace that or have to engage in these self-deceptions to avoid criticism.
 

ondma

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The guy with a huge lead is desperate? Wut? I think he’s focusing on it because his internal polling is showing it’s an effective line of attack.

Really it’s not hard to see that Trump is in panicked, desperation mode now. His campaign is flailing so badly that they are trying to insult Biden for visiting his son’s grave. His own campaign has surrendered on the possibility of winning the popular vote and are now focused on squeezing out a tiny electoral college victory again.
What "huge lead"? Polls are starting to shift. Minnesota is now considered a toss up, Biden has lost his lead in Texas, and Ohio is now trending toward Trump. Yes, overall Biden still has a lead, but the latest CBS poll I saw was only like 8 points for Biden, which I dont consider huge by any means.
 
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The guy with a huge lead is desperate? Wut? I think he’s focusing on it because his internal polling is showing it’s an effective line of attack.

Really it’s not hard to see that Trump is in panicked, desperation mode now. His campaign is flailing so badly that they are trying to insult Biden for visiting his son’s grave. His own campaign has surrendered on the possibility of winning the popular vote and are now focused on squeezing out a tiny electoral college victory again.

HUUUUUUUUUGE lead.

Just keep telling yourself that on election day bud. It worked wonders for Hillary, why not Biden? Make sure you tell yourself that on election week as well, not even worth going to the polls because it's just going to be swamped with 5 hour lines for Biden voters.
 

fskimospy

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What "huge lead"? Polls are starting to shift. Minnesota is now considered a toss up, Biden has lost his lead in Texas, and Ohio is now trending toward Trump. Yes, overall Biden still has a lead, but the latest CBS poll I saw was only like 8 points for Biden, which I dont consider huge by any means.
8 points would be the largest margin of victory over an incumbent in the last four decades. If that’s not a huge lead then I don’t know what is.

As for the rest, just listen to yourself. Biden has lost his lead in TEXAS??? If Biden has a lead in Texas he hasn’t just won the election, it’s a blowout.
 
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fskimospy

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HUUUUUUUUUGE lead.

Just keep telling yourself that on election day bud. It worked wonders for Hillary, why not Biden? Make sure you tell yourself that on election week as well, not even worth going to the polls because it's just going to be swamped with 5 hour lines for Biden voters.
Yes, if Biden is up by eight points on Election Day I’ll say he has a huge lead because that reflects reality.

As for the rest, who cares what you think? Your name might as well be Dunning-Krueger.
 
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ondma

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Trump is on video basically saying the stuff about McCain that he's alleged to have in private. I'm not sure how the idea he has a low opinion of military service stretches credulity when his own statements over the years clearly imply this.

It does not matter if the sources are named are not. If not named it's made up. If they come out and say it they are disgruntled. There is no level of accusation that he won't dispute or deflect. He once tried to claim the Access Hollywood tape was fabricated for Christs sake after he admitted it was him. Trump is made of low moral character, cruelty, and has unpopular opinions and the only issue is if the people who support him just embrace that or have to engage in these self-deceptions to avoid criticism.
This is all true, but despite it, Trump won in 2016. Everybody knows what Trump is like. The main problem I have with Biden is using these undocumented comments in his campaign ads. A risky move should they be proven false, for very little gain, imo. It also makes it appear that Biden is sinking to Trump's own level of personal attack.
The comments are already out there, anyone who cares or is willing to believe them has most likely heard them already.
 

K1052

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Trump won TX by 11 points in 2016. Every survey has Biden and Trump within MOE. The state party is shitting bricks and just unsuccessfully sued to throw the Libertarian off the ballot.

That's how things are going down here.
 
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ondma

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8 points would be the largest margin of victory over an incumbent in the last four decades. If that’s not a huge lead then I don’t know what is.

As for the rest, just listen to yourself. Biden has lost his lead in TEXAS??? If Biden has a lead in Texas he hasn’t just won the election, it’s a blowout.
The important metric to me (obviously it wont be to you, since you refuse to accept that Biden might lose), is the direction of the polling. Clearly, in several states, Biden is trending downward. I cant think of any region in which Biden is trending upward.
 
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If this doesn't make you come back to reality then nothing probably will.

Comparing things to polls was the precise mistake of 2016. You're obviously damned to repeat it.

 
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