i dont overlock anymore because it outdated

[deustroop]

i no longer use desktop obsolete
i use laptop
mobile pc
winddws 10 '4gb of ram and 32 essd hdd, built in camera and microphone.
hp stream 14.. cheap 100 refurbish on ebay or 200 new at walmart

Written by a non gamer.

PC video games drive the desktop, and lets see , is there money in that ? Oh yeah. PC gaming revenues in 2018 were $33.4 billion, up 3.2% year-on-year.

People who think the end of the desktop has arrived are content to watch movies on their phones and have never played DooM, completely irrelevant to the PC world.

The rest of us are having a hell of a time.

Play on Macduff

 

[Kenmitch]

i underclock. throttle speed down to save power and run cooler. setting,power and sleep, additional power setting.
it no longer about speed it about efficiency
i no longer use desktop obsolete
i use laptop
mobile pc
winddws 10 '4gb of ram and 32 essd hdd, built in camera and microphone.
hp stream 14.. cheap 100 refurbish on ebay or 200 new at walmart

If I was your e-peen I'd slap you upside the head for saying such a thing in a public forum.

 

[kawi6rr]

I have't overclocked in over 12 years, never really needed to but it was fun at the time to see what I could get from that chip. I just buy the X variant or factory overclocked chip that I want nowdays.

 

[moinmoin]

If you undervolt, wouldn't that affect the idle performance and voltage as well? Since undervolting means having the BIOS set to constantly deliver a set voltage to the CPU. Right? Or am I horribly outdated with the overclocking and undervolting world?

On modern chips idling cores should enter sleep states that pretty much power gate them, minimizing power usage. Keeping idling cores awake is a waste of power, regardless of frequency and voltage. Undervolting is used to increase efficiency of non-idling cores. Stock voltage is set to something high enough to ensure all possible chips run stable, but usually many chips still run stable at rather significantly lower voltages. Undervolting increases efficiency, reduces heat and as a result of both makes the chip more likely to boost (more cores) higher (speaking of the ideal case of how boosting is handled).

 

[chrisjames61]

i underclock. throttle speed down to save power and run cooler. setting,power and sleep, additional power setting.
it no longer about speed it about efficiency
i no longer use desktop obsolete
i use laptop
mobile pc
winddws 10 '4gb of ram and 32 essd hdd, built in camera and microphone.
hp stream 14.. cheap 100 refurbish on ebay or 200 new at walmart

May I ask why you are in an overclocking forum? I can see why you don't overclock. That $100 tablet or whatever it iswould not be an ideal candidate.

 

[JDG1980]

Back in 2011, you could buy an i5-2500K and get an extra 1100 MHz (up from 3.3 GHz to 4.4 GHz) just by adjusting the multiplier, no weird voltage tweaks required. It even worked fine with the tiny stock cooler, so it wasn't a massive power hog. Intel could easily have shipped Sandy Bridge with stock clocks of 4+ GHz, they just didn't feel the need to because of the lack of competition.

That kind of headroom simply isn't left on the table any more. Modern CPUs, from both AMD and Intel, use much more precise boost algorithms to, in effect, overclock by default. You can do things like increase the all-core boost to the same as the single-core boost if your cooling and power delivery are up to it, but you usually won't get a massive amount of headroom at the top end of clock speeds. Maybe 200-300 MHz at best.

I agree with the original poster, the golden age of overclocking is over, and these days I care a lot more about getting good performance in a modest power footprint than in pushing the envelope to the edge.

 

[chrisjames61]

The O.P. did a post and run. He is a troll.

 

[mopardude87]

Last overclock i did was a tape mod on a Q6600 since this chip was sitting in a Dell. 25% oc with a simple piece of tape simply is great and to pull it off on a oem of all things. My i7 8700 non k certainly doesn't feel slow and its going to be a while before its gonna slow me down at 4k. Prob going to be forced into a platform upgrade if the video card slot physically changes. Been a while since we jumped away from agp to pci-e is there even a chance of the slot physically changing any time soon?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Been a while since we jumped away from agp to pci-e is there even a chance of the slot physically changing any time soon?

PCIe 4.0 just came into vogue, and you can put a PCIe 3.0 video card in there if you want. So no changes.

 

[rancherlee]

Na, I tend to buy chips that tend to have some decent headroom (aka, the cheaper version). Pretty good overclock on my Current R1600 with 4.0ghz all core vs. the 3300 stock all core. Granted not a big of a jump as my 8320 was with a 3.5 to 4.5 overclock or my Old Athlon XP Mobile with the wire trick but still a good 15%+ gain.

 

[IGBT]

I agree...many times less is more. For those of us that actually use computers for work related tasks (IBM Maximo) fleet maintenance procedures and HR tasks.. reliability and stability is the real "bench mark" of performance.

 

[kastriot]

Guys, you fell for retarded troll who btw had successful mission with so many replies, this is sad assuming he has underclocked brain too.

 

[deustroop]

Na, we end up having an interesting talk on o/c attitudes and techniques. Doesn't really take much, even a troll, for this group to liven up dead space with o/c wisdom. He does us a favour.

 

[chrisjames61]

The logic behind "overclocking is outdated" defies description. It is done mostly for fun as a hobby. Like putting a K&N filter and Flowmaster exhaust on your vehicle. People don't overclock because they have to. I don't think the original poster is uh, very enlightened......

 

[chrisjames61]

I agree...many times less is more. For those of us that actually use computers for work related tasks (IBM Maximo) fleet maintenance procedures and HR tasks.. reliability and stability is the real "bench mark" of performance.

We aren't really talking about machines at a place of work or commercial setting in this thread.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I shed a tear remembering the pencil trick on my Athlon 900 to OC it.

Times really have changed. Pepperidge Farm remembers when the members here would overclock their calculators, watches, and toasters if they could figure out how to do it.

 

[moinmoin]

The logic behind "overclocking is outdated" defies description. It is done mostly for fun as a hobby. Like putting a K&N filter and Flowmaster exhaust on your vehicle. People don't overclock because they have to. I don't think the original poster is uh, very enlightened......

But do people overclock just for overclocking? Personally I overclock, but in the end it's all about optimizing the system, and if overclock doesn't do anything for that but e.g. undervolting does that's perfectly fine as well. Maybe we should find a catchy name for running a system outside of specs, including all possible manual optimizations?

 

[Markfw]

But do people overclock just for overclocking? Personally I overclock, but in the end it's all about optimizing the system, and if overclock doesn't do anything for that but e.g. undervolting does that's perfectly fine as well. Maybe we should find a catchy name for running a system outside of specs, including all possible manual optimizations?

My 2990wx on water will only do 3.2 ghz stock at load. Now I run either 4 ghz or 3.8 ghz. Thats a big difference in performance. even 3.2>3.8 And stability ? has not rebooted or errored in a month of 24/7

 

[chrisjames61]

But do people overclock just for overclocking? Personally I overclock, but in the end it's all about optimizing the system, and if overclock doesn't do anything for that but e.g. undervolting does that's perfectly fine as well. Maybe we should find a catchy name for running a system outside of specs, including all possible manual optimizations?

Legally cars in America can only do 65 mph but they obviously have the headroom to do a lot more. Same with cpu's. That is my dumb car analogy of the day lol!

 

[chrisjames61]

But do people overclock just for overclocking? Personally I overclock, but in the end it's all about optimizing the system, and if overclock doesn't do anything for that but e.g. undervolting does that's perfectly fine as well. Maybe we should find a catchy name for running a system outside of specs, including all possible manual optimizations?

I agree 100%. That being said you can read posts and get a feel for why a person overclocks. Many have systems that are maybe not that fast and are looking for a few extra fps that make a game more playable etc.... Then you have people that have really high end rigs that overclocking is in no way necessary but they like to tinker with timings, voltages, high end cooling and benchmarking etc...

 

[Markfw]

Legally cars in America can only do 65 mph but they obviously have the headroom to do a lot more. Same with cpu's. That is my dumb car analogy of the day lol!

Actually the speed limit is not as high as 85. I know I have driven in Montana with 75 mph, and I think Utah or Neveda has 85.

 

[chrisjames61]

Actually the speed limit is not as high as 85. I know I have driven in Montana with 75 mph, and I think Utah or Neveda has 85.

I thought up until recently somewhere in Nebraska there was no speed limit. In New York City where I live it is congestion and noise 24/7.

 

[VirtualLarry]

My understanding, was that it was a States' Rights issue to set speed limits within their state, but there was a "pull" from the Federal Gov't, in terms of a Federal Highway Speed Limit, that was mandated in the State, IF the state received Federal Highway Funding.

Meaning, the State could increase the Highway Speed Limit as high as was safe, but then they would lose out on funding for their Highways. This may have changed, many cars are designed for higher speeds, while still remaining safe and fuel-efficient. The Federal Speed Limit was set basically at the height of the gas crisis of the 70s, to promote fuel economy.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Montana used to be "reasonable and prudent". Those were the days!

 

[chrisjames61]

My understanding, was that it was a States' Rights issue to set speed limits within their state, but there was a "pull" from the Federal Gov't, in terms of a Federal Highway Speed Limit, that was mandated in the State, IF the state received Federal Highway Funding.

Meaning, the State could increase the Highway Speed Limit as high as was safe, but then they would lose out on funding for their Highways. This may have changed, many cars are designed for higher speeds, while still remaining safe and fuel-efficient. The Federal Speed Limit was set basically at the height of the gas crisis of the 70s, to promote fuel economy.

Being born in the early 60's I remeber those days well.