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Meghan54

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This happens in Ontario. Can't renew your license or plate sticker unless you have proof of insurance. Driving without insurance is punishable by law.


So, you must own a vehicle to obtain a driver's license? Because that's about what you're saying.

Having a driver's license does not require one to own a vehicle, so how does one obtain insurance if one does not own a vehicle? As far as I know, you can obtain a driver's license in any state in the union without owning a vehicle.
 

Humpy

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It is reasonable to expect to be safe from getting hit by a car while in your home. Sue the apartment complex for negligently failing to provide suitable barriers between the parking lot and the dwelling.
 
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Speaking from personal experience (t-bone, I got hit), the other operator wasn't cited because the accident happened on private property, which this sounds to be the case. I am not sure about the laws governing vehicle operation on private property, but it sounds like this might be the case. Police filed a report and I filed a claim against the other motorist's insurance company.

While the responding officer is tasked with filing a report, calling for EMT, etc., how can he charge someone for an accident. I p[resume the driver could have been charged with all sorts of things had this been on a public road (manslaughter 2?, driving while uninsured, etc.).
 

clamum

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Irving police believe the driver accidentally hit the accelerator instead of the brakes...
orly? Plowed through a fence, an apartment, then finally this guy's apartment, and it was just because you hit the accelerator instead of brakes? In a parking lot?! If that's actually true you don't belong driving a goddamn car, without a doubt.

Poor situation though for the guy. It sounds like he's at least thankful for being alive and in decent shape, which is true. Could've easily been worse.
 

cbrunny

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So, you must own a vehicle to obtain a driver's license? Because that's about what you're saying.

Having a driver's license does not require one to own a vehicle, so how does one obtain insurance if one does not own a vehicle? As far as I know, you can obtain a driver's license in any state in the union without owning a vehicle.

Hmm. Good point. I'm not sure. I honestly don't remember. I was insured when I got my license as an occasional on my parents policy but I don't remember outside of that.
 

Red Squirrel

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That's screwed up, but does not surprise me. The driver might even be able to sue because if the house had not been there he would perhaps not have been injured. The "justice" system is far from juste.

Also what the hell is up with news sites having so much freaking javascript and hosting them on so many different domains? It looked like there was suppose to be a video or something, so after allowing about 20 domains, nothing changed, but there was another 20 that had to be added, I added those, then another 10. I just gave up at that point.
 
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DCal430

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Seems one issue he has is he has a high deductible medical plan, so he has to pay his high deductible before they will pay for needed medical supplies. This is why high deductible plans need to be banned. People should not be on a high deductible plan.
 

Darwin333

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Yeah it's fucked up. This does not absolve her from a civil suit, however. ....I don't think there are limits to what she can be charged for in a civil suit? I guess the problem here is that he can only win what she can afford after all assets tabulated.

That's exactly right. He could win $1M in the civil suit but you can only get what they have and since she was driving without insurance I bet it isn't much. If she is renting an apartment and only has $100 in her banking account then that $1m ruling doesn't mean much. Sure they can garnish her wages but even that has a limit and it's likely to be pocket change compared to his medical bills. Not to mention that if you garnish someone too much they will simply stop working or will find under the table work.
 

HamburgerBoy

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This is why I support bringing back debtor's prisons.

EDIT: And the death penalty for wreckless driving.
 

Darwin333

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Seems one issue he has is he has a high deductible medical plan, so he has to pay his high deductible before they will pay for needed medical supplies. This is why high deductible plans need to be banned. People should not be on a high deductible plan.

The issue is that the driver didn't have automobile insurance which would have covered said high deductible. He shouldn't have to purchase more expensive health insurance in order to protect himself from other peoples responsibility of caring state required insurance of their own.
 

Darwin333

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So, you must own a vehicle to obtain a driver's license? Because that's about what you're saying.

Having a driver's license does not require one to own a vehicle, so how does one obtain insurance if one does not own a vehicle? As far as I know, you can obtain a driver's license in any state in the union without owning a vehicle.

License plate not drivers license. If you own a vehicle and want a license plate on it then you must show and maintain proof of insurance. If you decide to no longer insure the vehicle you must return said license plate. You can own or not own a vehicle all you want and still get a drivers license. Although you generally need to use a vehicle with insurance on it in order to obtain your first license but that's it.
 

cbrunny

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License plate not drivers license. If you own a vehicle and want a license plate on it then you must show and maintain proof of insurance. If you decide to no longer insure the vehicle you must return said license plate. You can own or not own a vehicle all you want and still get a drivers license. Although you generally need to use a vehicle with insurance on it in order to obtain your first license but that's it.

Oh that's my bad then. I said license and plate sticker.
 

DrPizza

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many states are like that. but then you can just cancel your car insurance once you get the license.
This is so obvious, I can't figure out how the idiots in so many states haven't figured out the insanely simple solution. In NY, you can NOT cancel your car insurance once you get the car registered. To cancel with a company, you have to provide proof of insurance with another company. To cancel without a new insurance policy, you need proof from the DMV that you've turned in your plates. If you simply let your policy lapse, at midnight when the policy lapses, the insurer's computer automatically notifies the state's DMV that your registered car no longer has insurance. Police have the ability to scan license plates while driving, and can identify vehicles with expired registrations, lapsed insurance policies, etc. I see people charged with unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle all the time in the police reports - people who lost it to DWI or whatever. What is relatively rare is an accident where someone's charged with no insurance. Because of stories like in the OP, I question the sanity of the folks in those states who put up with conditions like that - where the state makes it easy for people to drive a car without the financial ability to cover damages that they may do with their car.
 

DCal430

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Also in most states the minimum required coverage is tiny as hell. Here you only need $15,000 in injury coverage and $5,000 property coverage. Someone hits your $25,000 car causes $30,000 injuries to you. You better hope you have good coverage your self, because their minimum coverage will only pay for $5,000 of your car, and very little of your medical bills. Hope your Car or health insurance company takes care of the rest.
 

Markbnj

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This is so obvious, I can't figure out how the idiots in so many states haven't figured out the insanely simple solution. In NY, you can NOT cancel your car insurance once you get the car registered. To cancel with a company, you have to provide proof of insurance with another company.

You can't do it in NJ either, for that reason, and also because you have to carry a dated card that the insurance company issues to you every six months.

Not sure what law the OP didn't understand. The cops determined it was an accident. Accidents are not criminal undertakings unless they involve negligence. Perhaps the issue is the laws that apparently make it easy to drive without insurance.

Anyway, she is civilly liable, for sure.
 
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Speaking from personal experience (t-bone, I got hit), the other operator wasn't cited because the accident happened on private property, which this sounds to be the case. I am not sure about the laws governing vehicle operation on private property, but it sounds like this might be the case. Police filed a report and I filed a claim against the other motorist's insurance company.

While the responding officer is tasked with filing a report, calling for EMT, etc., how can he charge someone for an accident. I p[resume the driver could have been charged with all sorts of things had this been on a public road (manslaughter 2?, driving while uninsured, etc.).
An hour and a half after posting this I was in a restaurant where two LEO's were having dinner. When they got up to leave, I prompted them about this, my interpretation and asked them for their interpretation. I was right on their money. But that is my locality, not where this took place or anywhere else.
 
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