I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

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BenSkywalker

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What percentage of people have "perfect" vision? I'd be willing to wager that it's less than 5%. So for 95% of people, it would be a "retina" display.

I'd like to point out where this sub topic started from-

Apple made up this term and never said that 300 ppi minimum is what classifies a device as "retina".

I was pointing out the fact that according to Steve Jobs the iPad3 does *not* have a retina display. There is now a whole bunch of debate on what line should be used based on whose visions, the point is that Steve Jobs says the iPad3, if it is 10" and 2048x1536, does not have a retina display. Are the people in this thread now going to slander Jobs name and say he was a liar? Or are they going to admit that 'retina display' is a really stupid bit of PR BS?

Apple's retina display on the iPhone went virtually unmatched for 2+ years

This comment is very Apple like

The iPhone 4 came out June 24th 2010. Today is March 4th 2012. Unmatched for 2+ years, well, typical Apple fan
 

Pliablemoose

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The iPhone 4 came out June 24th 2010. Today is March 4th 2012. Unmatched for 2+ years, well, typical Apple fan

You really don't keep up, do you?

<--SGNote last week, rooted and on a prepaid network. I'd remind you I had a G1 virtually from launch and have had nearly a dozen Android phones, carry an HTC Flyer, and have 2 active Android OS'd phones at the moment, both prepaid now... The only thing I'm a true fan of is doing away with damn cell phone contracts and subsidized phones.

And you're still too busy looking at the trees to realize there's a forest around you. That's not a personal attack, but you're focusing on the wrong stuff, this thread is about why Apple continues to do so well in the tablet sector.

A lot of why is because the refine the crap out of their software, and they design the interface to appeal to the widest range of consumers as possible.

Android lends itself to being adapted to cheaper devices that aren't as functional, the fully specced android tablets trail in sales by a large margin, too expensive, too complicated for grandma, too damn ugly, lose their value too quickly, etc... the list goes on and on.
 
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Puddle Jumper

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I think the big disconnect on the forums is that Apple doesn't target people that post in tech forums as their primary customers, we get way too hung up on specs and not the user experience.

Apple's retina display on the iPhone went virtually unmatched for 2+ years, the tablet screen will pop for most users, and frankly blow their minds.

Good specs are necessary for a good experience. Sadly I will admit that most consumers have such low standards that if you give them decent and tell them it is good they will think it's excellent.

I really don't get the love everyone has for IPS, it's only redeeming quality is it is the least bad LCD technology currently available.
 

BenSkywalker

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You really don't keep up, do you?

We have three and a half months until the iP4 has been out two years. You can try and paint yourself however you would like, lunatic levels of accolades on an undeserving product is more telling then anything else. Apple doesn't make *any* display no matter how people want to spin it in their head. This is a discussion about Samsung versus LG when talking about displays, only fanboys see it differently.

Compared to the best available, it is a pretty crappy display that LG put into the iP4. Yes, it is very good for a very small LCD panel, but that's like saying you have a really good Yugo.
 

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I'd like to point out where this sub topic started from-



I was pointing out the fact that according to Steve Jobs the iPad3 does *not* have a retina display. There is now a whole bunch of debate on what line should be used based on whose visions, the point is that Steve Jobs says the iPad3, if it is 10" and 2048x1536, does not have a retina display. Are the people in this thread now going to slander Jobs name and say he was a liar? Or are they going to admit that 'retina display' is a really stupid bit of PR BS?



This comment is very Apple like

The iPhone 4 came out June 24th 2010. Today is March 4th 2012. Unmatched for 2+ years, well, typical Apple fan

Lol, you seem a little butthurt that, if rumors are true, Apple will be releasing a 10" tablet thats very high res. Buy whatever you'd like, but the display on the iPad3 is going to wipe the floor of the competition. Nice try on trying to downplay the ipad3.
 

Pliablemoose

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We have three and a half months until the iP4 has been out two years. You can try and paint yourself however you would like, lunatic levels of accolades on an undeserving product is more telling then anything else. Apple doesn't make *any* display no matter how people want to spin it in their head. This is a discussion about Samsung versus LG when talking about displays, only fanboys see it differently.

Compared to the best available, it is a pretty crappy display that LG put into the iP4. Yes, it is very good for a very small LCD panel, but that's like saying you have a really good Yugo.


Wow...
 

stlc8tr

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I was pointing out the fact that according to Steve Jobs the iPad3 does *not* have a retina display. There is now a whole bunch of debate on what line should be used based on whose visions, the point is that Steve Jobs says the iPad3, if it is 10" and 2048x1536, does not have a retina display. Are the people in this thread now going to slander Jobs name and say he was a liar? Or are they going to admit that 'retina display' is a really stupid bit of PR BS?

Shrug. I think for most people, the iPad 3 display will be a giant leap forward, just like it was from the 3GS to the 4.

Will it be a "Retina" display? Depends on the person and how far away they hold the tablet. I know that I hold my tablet father away than my phone.

As far as the "Retina" marketing, I know that most company wish they were as stupid as Apple when it comes to marketing.
 

cbn

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First off, there are lots of Android tablets being sold... in the form of the Kindle Fire.

The problem from my perspective is price. HP showed you could get people to line up for a tablet not made by Apple - you just need to price it low enough.

I have an Asus Transformer - now running ICS. And I have a first gen iPad. And to be honest, I like them both well enough. But if I had to pick, I'd keep the iPad. There's generally more software for the iPad. I can cite lots of specific examples, like my daughter is studying for the Colorado State Geography Bee and there's really no good apps on Android for the Geo Bee. Meanwhile there's 3+ really high quality ones on the iPad. And, yeah, geography bee studying programs are a bit far from mainstream usage, but there's more. My younger daughter is learning to tell time - better apps for that on iPad. For learning/practicing algebra - iPad is better. My wife is learning French and last I checked for intermediate level French, the iPad apps were way better. So, from my non-rooting, non-custom ROM, when I look at which device we use more at home, it's the iPad.

On the phone front, I switched to Android and I don't think I'll go back to the iPhone, but for tablets, I think my Asus Transformer is headed to Ebay. We don't need two of them and they iPad gets used more.

My issue with Android tablets is that they are priced too close to parity with iPads meanwhile the iPad has better advertising, better name recognition, and more apps.

From my perspective, what Android needs to do in the tablet space is come up with a seamless user experience, price it cheap, they'll sell lots of them and the apps will follow. Like the Kindle Fire.

I'd like to add in a request for better security features on the Android Operating System devices.
 

cbn

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What's wrong with Android's security now?

Why? I know of no one who has had any security issues on android. That is one ofthe lamest requests i have heard.

I doubt this Forbes article is the best source of information (for various reasons) , but I have been reading about Android having security problems (off and on again) for the last 8 months or so...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...ues-could-score-windfall-for-apple-microsoft/

12/16/2011 @ 9:05AM |9,785 views
Android Security Issues Could Score Windfall For Apple, Microsoft
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After the passing of Steve Jobs, investors face uncertainty in shares of Apple (AAPL). Will the stock next hit $100 or $1,000? This article is the eighth in a series, &#8220;The Future of Apple,&#8221; designed to give investors appropriate insights on the future of the iconic company.

The main competitor of Apple&#8217;s operating system iOS is Android from Google (GOOG). An operating system is a set of programs that provides common services to the applications running on a device and manages hardware resources.

There is a ticking bomb in Android that may never explode, but the tail risk cannot be ruled out. The bomb is Android&#8217;s vulnerability to malware. If the bomb does explode, Apple stock will jump by $100 and Google stock may drop by $100.

Mainstream media has not yet caught on the potential security vulnerabilities in Google Android, but geeks have been writing about it. Here are a few snippets:

December 12, 2011 Computerworld: Google pulls 22 more malicious Android apps from Market (&#8216;RuFraud&#8217; sent texts to premium numbers, posed as popular games like &#8216;Angry Birds,&#8217; &#8216;Need for Speed.&#8217

October 5th, 2011 Android Police: Massive Security Vulnerability In HTC Android Devices (EVO 3D, 4G, Thunderbolt, Others) Exposes Phone Numbers, GPS, SMS, Emails Addresses, Much More

July 11, 2011 Computerworld: Researchers uncover more Android malware on Google&#8217;s Market (New texting malware pops up on Chinese download sites.)

June 1, 2011 Computerworld: Google faces new round of Android malware (Again yanks malware-infected apps from Android Market as hackers try trickier tactics.)

March 01, 2011 Mashable: Google Pulls 21 Apps In Android Malware Scare

A simple conclusion to be drawn is that Android suffers from security flaws. It appears that and a lack of trusted digital signatures for apps in Android is a problem.

Use of an insecure Java-based virtual machine to execute apps may also be an issue. Google Android is fractured. (For background, please see Amazon Kindle Fire A Blessing For Apple In Google Battle and Google Chases Apple With Ice Cream Sandwich.)

In Android, fixing security issues is problematic because a different version for each carrier, manufacturer and model is required. Further, many Android devices use insecure old and versions of the operating system.

It appears Android may become more vulnerable as the sophistication of tools that allow for automatic repackaging of legitimate apps to add malware, allow malware to hide in advertisements and allow botnets to steal data, increases.

Microsoft (MSFT) seems to be taking advantage of the latest Android trouble. Ben Rudolph, a self-proclaimed Microsoft&#8217;s Windows Phone Evangelist, who uses the twitter handle @BenThePCGuy, tweeted: More malware on Android! bit.ly/rt7dpD Been hit? Share yr #droidrage story to win a #windowsphone upgrade. 5 best (worst?) win!

How popular is Microsoft&#8217;s offer? If the tweet from Bill Cox using the handle @billcox is to be believed, it has caught fancy of many. Cox tweeted:

Wow, lots of #droidrage out there. 3,200+ people shared Android horror stories with @BenThePCGuy with hopes for a #windowsphone.

The real battle will be fought in corporations where security is a big concern. As Chief Information Officers (CIO) look into replacing Research in Motion (RIMM), the walled garden of Apple is bound to be more appealing than Android.

CIO.com asked the right question, Android Vs IOS Vs BlackBerry: Which is the Most Secure Holiday Gift? CIO ranked Apple&#8217;s iOS first.

Hopefully, the bomb will never explode, but astute investors may want to equip themselves to take advantage of the major profit making opportunities that may arise. I feel that the Android security issue is still an emerging theme that could indeed become a money making opportunity if it is indeed serious and becomes more widely recognized.
 

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QueBert

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I'd like to point out where this sub topic started from-



I was pointing out the fact that according to Steve Jobs the iPad3 does *not* have a retina display. There is now a whole bunch of debate on what line should be used based on whose visions, the point is that Steve Jobs says the iPad3, if it is 10" and 2048x1536, does not have a retina display. Are the people in this thread now going to slander Jobs name and say he was a liar? Or are they going to admit that 'retina display' is a really stupid bit of PR BS?



This comment is very Apple like

The iPhone 4 came out June 24th 2010. Today is March 4th 2012. Unmatched for 2+ years, well, typical Apple fan

I love how so many Anti Apple people will cry "BS MARKETING MADE UP CRAP HYPE it's not even a real thing!" about Apple's use of "Retina display" but don't seem to care that Gorilla Glass fakks under the same category. Retina display's simply a term that describes something.
 

QueBert

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Eh? What category is that? Gorilla Glass is an actual product made by Corning.

But it's just a name, just like Retina Display's just a name. Gorilla Glass is a fancy term for... a kind of glass. The term Retina Display's a fancy name for... a higher PPI screen. So how are they different again? I'm pretty sure Retina Displays are an actual product, much like Gorilla Glass is too.

The category they both fall under would be "marketing terms" And if you're trying to imply there's nothing different about a Retina Display, but there is for Gorilla Glass. Please point me to another mobile device that has the same screen found in an iPhone 4/4s.
 
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Puddle Jumper

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But it's just a name, just like Retina Display's just a name. Gorilla Glass is a fancy term for... a kind of glass. The term Retina Display's a fancy name for... a higher PPI screen. So how are they different again? I'm pretty sure Retina Displays are an actual product, much like Gorilla Glass is too.

The category they both fall under would be "marketing terms" And if you're trying to imply there's nothing different about a Retina Display, but there is for Gorilla Glass. Please point me to another mobile device that has the same screen found in an iPhone 4/4s.

Easy, the Sharp IS03 has the exact same display as the iphone.
 

Oyeve

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I love how so many Anti Apple people will cry "BS MARKETING MADE UP CRAP HYPE it's not even a real thing!" about Apple's use of "Retina display" but don't seem to care that Gorilla Glass fakks under the same category. Retina display's simply a term that describes something.
Gorilla Glass does not "fakk". And yes, retina display is literally a marketing term as it just means a display that you can see using your retinas. Its been debunked long ago.
 

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I was pointing out the fact that according to Steve Jobs the iPad3 does *not* have a retina display. There is now a whole bunch of debate on what line should be used based on whose visions, the point is that Steve Jobs says the iPad3, if it is 10" and 2048x1536, does not have a retina display. Are the people in this thread now going to slander Jobs name and say he was a liar? Or are they going to admit that 'retina display' is a really stupid bit of PR BS?

*sigh* no, Steve Jobs said a retina display is >300ppi at 10-12 inches away. Go watch the iPhone 4 announcement yourself if you want proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohMgjabfiUM

Do you hold a 10" tablet up 10-12" from your face? I sincerely doubt it, unless you have horrible eyesight (in which case a "retina display" won't make much of a difference anyway). If you assume that 16" as the standard viewing distance for a tablet vs 11" for a smartphone, the iPad 3 has a higher # of pixels per given area of your retina than even the iPhone 4 does. http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display-macs-ipads-and-hidpi-doing-the-math/
 

QueBert

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Gorilla Glass does not "fakk". And yes, retina display is literally a marketing term as it just means a display that you can see using your retinas. Its been debunked long ago.

What do you mean it's been debunked a long time ago? A Retina Display is exactly what Apple says, how do you debunk a name any ways? I'm 100% sure that's the name it's called. So I guess that means Gorilla Glass was debunked a long time ago too right? Because it's obviously not made by, or out of Gorillas. Shit, this makes me realize the Gorilla Glue I have probably isn't real either *sigh* So we're agreeance that both things are the same, MARKETING TERMS for a PRODUCT right?

glad you helped me clear that up.


Easy, the Sharp IS03 has the exact same display as the iphone.

Exact same resolution, not the same panel, some people even consider it better overall than what's found on the iPhone 4. ASV for the Sharp vs IPS for the iPhone. They both technically fit the Retina Display definition.
 
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poofyhairguy

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If I have to chose, I would chose a higher brightness level any day over a higher resolution.

With the IPS Plus mode turned on my Prime is even better in the sunlight than my SGS2. My wife's iPad 2 looks terrible outside in comparison, and one of the primary uses of my tablet is to give me something to read/watch while I smoke cigars outside.

Also I think contrast ratio is a bigger deal than resolution when the primary task is media viewing. If the iPad 3's screen has a sub-1000 contrast ratio like the current iPads do then basically they are only an upgrade for those who primarily use their tablets to read indoors.
 
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Oyeve

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What do you mean it's been debunked a long time ago? A Retina Display is exactly what Apple says, how do you debunk a name any ways? I'm 100% sure that's the name it's called. So I guess that means Gorilla Glass was debunked a long time ago too right? Because it's obviously not made by, or out of Gorillas. Shit, this makes me realize the Gorilla Glue I have probably isn't real either *sigh* So we're agreeance that both things are the same, MARKETING TERMS for a PRODUCT right?

glad you helped me clear that up.




Exact same resolution, not the same panel, some people even consider it better overall than what's found on the iPhone 4. ASV for the Sharp vs IPS for the iPhone. They both technically fit the Retina Display definition.
Not quite. "retina display" is just a led backlit lcd screen. Its nothing new or different than that. Its not a new/different tech. Its led lcd.

Gorilla glass is made by corning and is unique. Its a patented tech that they made.

There is nothing unique about "retina display".

You need to relax dude. Its not like SJ was your daddy.
 

Zaap

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But it's just a name, just like Retina Display's just a name. Gorilla Glass is a fancy term for... a kind of glass. The term Retina Display's a fancy name for... a higher PPI screen. So how are they different again? I'm pretty sure Retina Displays are an actual product, much like Gorilla Glass is too.
Any company can go to Corning and buy Gorilla Glass for their products. Heck, it was first used in 1968 as auto glass.

Meanwhile, a company can't actually buy a 'retina display' for their products. It's just a label.

You know, like 'Superdrive'.

Oh wait, are you one of the people that pays 3x the going rate for a standard DVD drive because Apple gave it a silly label?
 

QueBert

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Any company can go to Corning and buy Gorilla Glass for their products. Heck, it was first used in 1968 as auto glass.

Meanwhile, a company can't actually buy a 'retina display' for their products. It's just a label.

You know, like 'Superdrive'.

Oh wait, are you one of the people that pays 3x the going rate for a standard DVD drive because Apple gave it a silly label?

Nah, actually I paid about 4x the price for a drive because of who made it, Plextor.
 
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