I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

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jhansman

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My brother loves his iPad and uses it all the time for all it does. My mother in law (97 yrs. old) loves her Kindle Fire (as do I), and uses it for all it does. I am one of the determined who refuse join the cult of Mac, and I am waiting for the right Android tablet. Right now, that looks to be the 8.9" Galaxy. Get ICS on that thing and you're cookin'.
 

alent1234

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Yeah but they're not building a new data center every year and, as someone else mentioned, their R&D is spread over many devices since they essentially use the same parts. My point still stand that iTunes gives them an advantage whereas other manufacturers only have the hardware to sell. I should also add economies of scale as well...


you still have to buy the servers,

pay the crazy precious metal support contract prices where cisco will replace stuff in 4 hours or have an oracle/EMC guy on site costs $1 million a year.
the storage prices are insane since you need something like 3 to 5 times the raw storage to usable storage. and the enterprise hard drives are like 10 times the prices of the consumer ones
you have to build in redundancy so that if things fail your store doesn't go down. that means buying crap to just sit around and do nothing
pay amazon and MS for icloud
pay the people and the very nice benefits that apple offers
buy huge AC units which suck up even more AC

pay the electricity which is a lot in a 24x7 operation
 

corkyg

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Android failing? Not sure that is accurate. Maybe there are just too many of them for the size of the market.
 

MrX8503

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It has a lot to do with price. The iPad is genuinely a very good tablet and it costs $499. If a competing tablet costs $499, the general consumer will get an iPad instead almost every time. Consumers know what an iPad is and what it does, people like that familiarity.

Competing tablets have to be cheaper than $499 or instantly explain why its better than an iPad.
 

alent1234

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after all these years only Samsung has learned to create a brand. everyone else comes out with a different named tablet every 2 months, kills support fast and expects people to buy into it
 

Oyeve

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Ipad wins because:

1. It came out first.
2. Name recognition (hate apple or not, everyone know them)
3. Advertising. Billboards everywhere, tv spots, annoying flash ads on web, email scams from nigerian prince who will give you a free ipad if you bail him out.

This is why ipad has such great market penetration. Its not better than my asus transformer, but apple spends gobs of money in selling it than all android manufacturers combined. If the android device makers actually advertised half as heavy as apple then they would sell more. And I dont mean the 50 carrier commercial with an android a week tv spot, i mean like if Asus advertised the transformer for 4 months stratight on major tv networks I bet they would have sold 100x the number of transformers. But they dont have the $$$ to do that. Samsung does, but they too do not advertise enough for penetration.
 

Bateluer

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They've had 2 years now to get it right... everyone and their mom knows the keys to victory are UI fluidity, physical platform, and the screen. Yet here we are a week from iPad stomping on Android's face. I just don't get it.

None of the quad core, 1080p, ICS running beauties from MWC struck your fancy, but you can claim that the iPad 3 will stomp Android only knowing that it might have a high resolution screen?


There's so much fail in this thread that the few accurate statements get completely over shadowed.

For months, you guys have been yammering for high res screens in your tablets, and now that you've finally got announced products coming down the pipeline with 1080p and a viable aspect ratio, you're still complaining? WTF do you want . . . your Android tablet autographed by Jesus, Buddha, and Muhammad?
 

Glitchny

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Part of the problem is HC. Google wasn't ready for Android on tablets but Samsung and others started making them anyway and forcing Gingerbread onto larger screened devices. To try to give manufacturers an alternative to forcing Gingerbread, Google rushed out HC to be used on tablets. Because of the way HC was rushed out the source code was never released and that version of the OS wasn't supported very well.

Plus iPad has name recognition and it was out first.

That all combined into a slower start for Android tablets. I really don't think Google was ready to make a hard push on tablets at the time and it cost them. Hopefully this year there will be some improvements and they can increase market share.

Also every Android Manufacturer seems to suck at advertising. Samsung is the only company I can recall seeing ads for, well and Apple because they are everywhere.
 
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finbarqs

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I remember when Apple first announced the iPad, everybody laughed. They predicted how badly it will fail.

People made fun of it because of the MadTV skit with the 'iPad' joke.

Even though it is just an oversized iPod Touch (with more functionality), people still made fun of it (Xoom commercial)

Steve Ballmer said that "Apple's iPad is their 'Windows Vista'"

now who's laughing? Certainly not google, HP, and especially not Motorola.
 

alent1234

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i still don't get why people bought it before iOS 4. but then people bought the original kindles for $399
 

Oyeve

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I remember when Apple first announced the iPad, everybody laughed. They predicted how badly it will fail.

People made fun of it because of the MadTV skit with the 'iPad' joke.

Even though it is just an oversized iPod Touch (with more functionality), people still made fun of it (Xoom commercial)

Steve Ballmer said that "Apple's iPad is their 'Windows Vista'"

now who's laughing? Certainly not google, HP, and especially not Motorola.
Well to be fair the ipad sucked ass until the ipad 2 came out. Only apple fans bought them (granted there is 1billion fans) but in reality when ipad first came out it sucked. like when the iphone first came out it sucked. Iphone wasnt decent until the iphone 3. But it sold billions on fanbase alone. I am actually interested in the ipad3. If I could connect as a usb device I would consider one.
 

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after all these years only Samsung has learned to create a brand. everyone else comes out with a different named tablet every 2 months, kills support fast and expects people to buy into it

That's a lot of it. There's no flavor of the month and a billion other me-toos! for iOS. It's one device only seperated by storage and celluar capabilities each year. There's no real decision making to be made. Only what size do you need and I would wager that the 16 gig models far far far outsell the other sizes combined.

As far as Android goes...think of this as a non technical consumer. Ice Cream Sandwich? Seriously? Do you think that is even remotely useful to anyone outside of the heavily technical niche of fanboys? I laugh every time I hear that being used. Dumbest. OS. Name. Ever.
 

Dari

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you still have to buy the servers,

pay the crazy precious metal support contract prices where cisco will replace stuff in 4 hours or have an oracle/EMC guy on site costs $1 million a year.
the storage prices are insane since you need something like 3 to 5 times the raw storage to usable storage. and the enterprise hard drives are like 10 times the prices of the consumer ones
you have to build in redundancy so that if things fail your store doesn't go down. that means buying crap to just sit around and do nothing
pay amazon and MS for icloud
pay the people and the very nice benefits that apple offers
buy huge AC units which suck up even more AC

pay the electricity which is a lot in a 24x7 operation

I doubt any of that compares to how much money they make from iTunes, iAds and other services. Remember, it's an ecosystem.
 

MrX8503

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Well to be fair the ipad sucked ass until the ipad 2 came out. Only apple fans bought them (granted there is 1billion fans) but in reality when ipad first came out it sucked. like when the iphone first came out it sucked. Iphone wasnt decent until the iphone 3. But it sold billions on fanbase alone. I am actually interested in the ipad3. If I could connect as a usb device I would consider one.

It was the UI that sold people on the iPhone/iPad originally. Tablets and smartphone UI sucked pretty bad back in the day.
 

ChronoReverse

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As far as Android goes...think of this as a non technical consumer. Ice Cream Sandwich? Seriously? Do you think that is even remotely useful to anyone outside of the heavily technical niche of fanboys? I laugh every time I hear that being used. Dumbest. OS. Name. Ever.

It's called Android 4.0

Not that much different from iOS 5.0
 

Red Storm

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As far as Android goes...think of this as a non technical consumer. Ice Cream Sandwich? Seriously? Do you think that is even remotely useful to anyone outside of the heavily technical niche of fanboys? I laugh every time I hear that being used. Dumbest. OS. Name. Ever.

ICS is useful to every Android user whether they acknowledge it or not. With it Google is aiming for a more uniform interface that both tablets and phones can share, and it seems to be on the right track.

... Unless you're just talking about the name itself? In which case... I don't remember ever caring about what the name of an OS was (which is Android 4.0 by the way).
 

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Well to be fair the ipad sucked ass until the ipad 2 came out. Only apple fans bought them (granted there is 1billion fans) but in reality when ipad first came out it sucked. like when the iphone first came out it sucked. Iphone wasnt decent until the iphone 3. But it sold billions on fanbase alone. I am actually interested in the ipad3. If I could connect as a usb device I would consider one.

I'm not really sure how the first iPad "sucked ass" and how the 2nd was so much better. My 1st gen is still perfectly useable, gets 9+ hours of battery life, plays all the games from the App store that I want and easily plays back the video files that I need.

My Mom has a 2nd gen and some things are a little quicker (scrolling through google maps for example) and it's got a camera good enough for low res skyping, but otherwise it's pretty piss poor.
 

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It's called Android 4.0

Not that much different from iOS 5.0

I have never heard it called Android 4.0. Ever. Every reference in any tech site or post has referenced it by "Ice Cream Sandwich". To which I have to say is completely lost on anyone outside of the tech world.
 

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... Unless you're just talking about the name itself? In which case... I don't remember ever caring about what the name of an OS was (which is Android 4.0 by the way).

Which just goes back to why the iPad did/does well. It was a perfectly functional device out of the box with just incremental updates to the OS along the way. It really didn't matter what version of iOS you had. No massive software overhaul to make it useable or competive. No fragmented UI from one brand to another. If you used one iPad you used them all.
 

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I have never heard it called Android 4.0. Ever. Every reference in any tech site or post has referenced it by "Ice Cream Sandwich". To which I have to say is completely lost on anyone outside of the tech world.
Just like how everyone refers to OSX by "Snow Leopard" and "Lion" instead of OSX 10.6 and OSX 10.7

It still doesn't change the fact that it's Android 4.0 and ICS is the code name people LIKE to use.

That is, your spiel about a "dumb to nontechnical users" name is just as dumb.
 

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For the same reason people lined up around the block for the original iphone, which was a poor excuse for a "smartphone" at best. The average Joe consumer doesn't want all the capabilities of Android, and would rather download flashy-looking apps with shiny-looking icons, or games which involve swiping your finger back and forth like a madman, and be sure to show off his toy to fellow hipsters.
 

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outside of the geek subset, the only reason people go with android is because apple isn't available. you know that the iPhone was ATT only for like 4 years, right?

Android tablets will never win when priced the same as the iPad. There are no issues like cell phone contracts, carrier exclusivity, etc etc that can hold people back. Why would an average consumer take a chance on a brand new product with software that wasn't necessarily built for tablet usage (pre ICS)?

With the iPad you have the following:
-Name recognition
-Word of mouth advertising (your friend down the street who loves their iPad)
-A consistent user experience
-Consistent software upgrades
-Great Product support
-A store down the street that can show you how to use the product
-Exclusive apps not found anywhere else

The list goes on and on.

If you differentiate it and gear it towards something else (IE kindle fire) your product can sell like gangbusters. If you create an exact copy of the product at the exact price and tell consumers its better, you will lose (im looking at you samsung).
 

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Come to think of it, I've almost never seen an Android ad, or even a Google ad. I saw the Queen Galaxy Nexus ad a sumtotal of one time.
 

Red Storm

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Which just goes back to why the iPad did/does well. It was a perfectly functional device out of the box with just incremental updates to the OS along the way. It really didn't matter what version of iOS you had. No massive software overhaul to make it useable or competive. No fragmented UI from one brand to another. If you used one iPad you used them all.

It did so well because they launched first (I believe it was a full ten months before the first Honeycomb tablet, the Xoom launched), and Apple had/has the money (and fanbase) to market the crap out of it.
 
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