I don't understand why Android tablet manufacturers are failing

[cheezy321]

Just wanna say this thread turned from a potential flame fest into informative and useful.
Way to go guys! Thumbs up!

 

[Oyeve]

strength in numbers will just about always wins the war. I wouldn't say it's a good thing that many uninformed people are probably only buying an Android phone because of the sheer numbers any store will have. My theory is, if Verizon were to carry 10 Android phone and 10 WP7 phones, and an even number had the same size screen. WP7 would sell about as well as Android. That's just my opinion, but most people I know definitely aren't buying Android phones based off any actual device knowledge or anything involving intelligence. They fall into one of these categories

1. OOOH THE SCREENS HUGE!
2. OOOH THE PHONES FREE!

Then you must know an awful lot of idiots. Even my mother knows the difference between iphone, android and windows phone. And this is the same woman who held her mouse upside down.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I can't wait to see that screen in person if true. It'll be so damn sexy.

aren't you the one who always says the IPS panels that Apple uses are poorly calibrated?

Shrug. I still find SAMOLED Plus screens to be extremely beautiful. Nothing really wowed me about the iPad 2 screen to be honest, but AMOLED screens will always push colors so that the eye finds it very appealing.

 

[Oyeve]

aren't you the one who always says the IPS panels that Apple uses are poorly calibrated?

Shrug. I still find SAMOLED Plus screens to be extremely beautiful. Nothing really wowed me about the iPad 2 screen to be honest, but AMOLED screens will always push colors so that the eye finds it very appealing.

Now an ipad 3 or any tablet with AMOLED would be freaking awesome.

 

[zerocool84]

aren't you the one who always says the IPS panels that Apple uses are poorly calibrated?

Shrug. I still find SAMOLED Plus screens to be extremely beautiful. Nothing really wowed me about the iPad 2 screen to be honest, but AMOLED screens will always push colors so that the eye finds it very appealing.

They are undersaturated but seeing that rez in such a small screen would be awesome. When Apple does it, others will follow suit. We'll start seeing Android tablets with similar resolutions by the end of the year I hope. Competition is great when everyone isn't suing each other.

 

[finbarqs]

They are undersaturated but seeing that rez in such a small screen would be awesome. When Apple does it, others will follow suit. We'll start seeing Android tablets with similar resolutions by the end of the year I hope. Competition is great when everyone isn't suing each other.

does the SAMOLED screen still have the "black blotches" issue?

 

[MrX8503]

They are undersaturated but seeing that rez in such a small screen would be awesome. When Apple does it, others will follow suit. We'll start seeing Android tablets with similar resolutions by the end of the year I hope. Competition is great when everyone isn't suing each other.

I'm sure Android will having 1080p, 1200p, and 1600p by the mid-end of 2012. However I think most of the 1600p displays will be pentile.

 

[Oyeve]

does the SAMOLED screen still have the "black blotches" issue?

How can samoled have black blotch issues when it is true black, as in pixel is off?

 

[linthat22]

Wow, when did this thread turn to crap?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Wow, when did this thread turn to crap?

The minute someone pulls the iOS/Apple card in *ANY* Android thread... and vice versa too, the thread turns to crap.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

How can samoled have black blotch issues when it is true black, as in pixel is off?

Its not pixel related. Its an issue with the backing of the screen is not perfectly applied. It causes small pockets of air, like when you try to put on a screen protector. Wich causes black blotches

But.. these are not really noticable unless you are in a pitch black room with your phone turned on.

I expect these problems to be gone once Samsung gets their new OLED plant up and running

 

[BenSkywalker]

I want to agree with you... I REALLY REALLY do. But I think you're just plain wrong. iPad 3 is going to sell like hotcakes

I said nothing approaching disagreeing with this.

because all the people toting around those iPad 1s are going to line up to upgrade...

And now you say the iPad3 is going to be shockingly huge failure, which is it? The iPad1 utterly dominated a miniscule market. The iPad2 is leading a *MUCH* larger market. If every single person on the face of the Earth that bought an iPad1 is the iPad3's market, Apple has lost- badly.

I forgot to mention Market Segment 4... the I-buy-what-I'm-told segment... Thats where your mom sits. She's going to buy what you tell her to buy, and she's going to enjoy what you tell her to enjoy. If you were an Apple fan, she'd use and love an iPad.

Since we are talking about tablets you would be terribly wrong. I did tell my Mom to buy an iPhone, which she did, and after which I was given enormous grief because her lousy phone couldn't do what my phone did. When she went looking for a tablet, she checked out the iPad because I told her to, she liked *my rooted Nook Color* more then the iPad even if it was the same price(once I explained it was actually ~$300 less she was angry at me again for having her look at the iPad). Widgets are very big for her, all the information she wants tailor made for her without having to launch anything. Android can be tailor suited to make things far easier then iOS for someone who truly doesn't get into technology.

And lastly I think you're delusional about Android fans... there's a legion of them out there and it's growing. I'm one of them. I'm always going to have some form of tablet running Android just because I'm a fan. But when it comes time to pack my bag to travel for business each month... it'll be the iPad that comes with. Because it's a superior product.

Why would you take a non convertible tablet? Honest question as it seems shockingly dumb on a strictly business basis.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I think we're about to see Apple's tablet strategy significantly change

An 8" iPad
An 8GB iPad2
HD iPad



things are about to get real interesting....

 

[MrX8503]

I think Apple is going to adopt the iPhone business model for the iPads. This will be how Apple addresses lower end tablets like the kindle fire.

 

[Oyeve]

I think we're about to see Apple's tablet strategy significantly change

An 8" iPad
An 8GB iPad2
HD iPad



things are about to get real interesting....

I would actually like this strategy. an 8" ipad (2s or 3, or whatever) in HD with a true HD ratio for watching HD video on scale. I would be all over this if it had at least a retina display or above. My 10" transformer, while great, is a tad too big for public use. 8" HD would be perfect.

 

[micrometers]

From the sounds of it, the iPad 3 will be something of a "iPad pro". The high rez screen is great, don't get me wrong, but it will really only matter to people who do like video editing on the thing. And honestly it sounds like the screen is going to be very expensive.

 

[smartpatrol]

From the sounds of it, the iPad 3 will be something of a "iPad pro". The high rez screen is great, don't get me wrong, but it will really only matter to people who do like video editing on the thing. And honestly it sounds like the screen is going to be very expensive.

I couldn't disagree more. The high DPI screens on devices like the iPhone 4/4S, Galaxy Nexus, Rezound, etc. look AMAZING. The difference is immediately apparent, especially when compared side-by-side with a lower-DPI device.

Once you're used to that high DPI, it's very hard to go back. The one complaint I have about iPad 2 is the low resolution screen, which is especially apparent while reading text. I couldn't be more excited to upgrade to a device with 4x the number of pixels.

I really think this will appeal to average consumer. When comparing side-by-side with older iPads and Android tablets, iPad 3's screen will put them to shame.

 

[MrX8503]

From the sounds of it, the iPad 3 will be something of a "iPad pro". The high rez screen is great, don't get me wrong, but it will really only matter to people who do like video editing on the thing. And honestly it sounds like the screen is going to be very expensive.

I would agree that the screens would be expensive. I disagree that it would only matter to video editors. How many people edit video on their iPads vs those who read or surf on their iPad? I'm willing to bet not very many.

The high res screen will make reading and browsing much much more pleasant. A great majority of tablet users will benefit from a retina display.

 

[vi edit]

I think we're about to see Apple's tablet strategy significantly change

An 8" iPad
An 8GB iPad2
HD iPad



things are about to get real interesting....

My god you should read all the butt hurt apple fanatics over the 8 gig model suggestion. Forum readers and techies in general can't wrap their heads around that fact that 45 million sales aren't being driven by the die hard tech people. It's Mom's, Grandma's, parents, and just simply "normal" people buying them. These people aren't buying on specs or storage size. They don't have piles and piles of apps. They aren't ripping gigs worth of movies to their devices. They are just using them for an easy to pick up email reader, picture browser, or something to read a book or play solitaire on.

An 8 gig version of the 2nd gen if priced right ($299?) would be a price buster for Apple and put them in a bracket much closer to the Fire and should be a huge seller for them.

 

[senseamp]

My god you should read all the butt hurt apple fanatics over the 8 gig model suggestion. Forum readers and techies in general can't wrap their heads around that fact that 45 million sales aren't being driven by the die hard tech people. It's Mom's, Grandma's, parents, and just simply "normal" people buying them. These people aren't buying on specs or storage size. They don't have piles and piles of apps. They aren't ripping gigs worth of movies to their devices. They are just using them for an easy to pick up email reader, picture browser, or something to read a book or play solitaire on.

An 8 gig version of the 2nd gen if priced right ($299?) would be a price buster for Apple and put them in a bracket much closer to the Fire and should be a huge seller for them.

Investors won't like the gross margins on those.
iPad2 is not a cheap tablet to make, even with 8GB. They can probably do $400 though.
Also, Apple wants the old geezers to spend $500, and they are most affluent and the easiest to convince that Android is scary and should be left to those techie young kids.

 

[vi edit]

Investors won't like the gross margins on those.
iPad2 is not a cheap tablet to make, even with 8GB. They can probably do $400 though.
Also, Apple wants the old geezers to spend $500, and they are most affluent and the easiest to convince that Android is scary and should be left to those techie young kids.

Everything will get sorted out next week, but one of the rumours I read was the "iPad3" will be priced at a higher point than prior models were. I think I saw $579 or something like that for a 16 gig wifi only. It'll be interesting to see how Apple straddles their products and prices.

Upping the price almost $100 is going to turn some sales away, even with the alleged updates. The $499 price point is very sensitive.

I think they'll need to come up with some sort of option under $300 (8" 8 gig?) to pick up sales in the Kindle/entry Android price range.

 

[alent1234]

before ipad 1 there were rumors that it was going to cost $1000 for the entry level model. apple puts these out on purpose to come out looking cool

 

[cheezy321]

I doubt apple would raise the price on the iPad. Just don't see that happening at all.

If anything, their 1st gen product starts out at a really high price, then the 2nd gen ends up lowering in price to a point where the mainstream can adopt (See: iPod, Macbook air, etc)

Has there been any apple product that has increased in price in a later generation?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I doubt apple would raise the price on the iPad. Just don't see that happening at all.

If anything, their 1st gen product starts out at a really high price, then the 2nd gen ends up lowering in price to a point where the mainstream can adopt (See: iPod, Macbook air, etc)

Has there been any apple product that has increased in price in a later generation?

Yes the iPod Touch 1G started at $299. The iPod Touch 2G was $229. The iPod Touch 3G 8gb (which was a 2g 8gb) was $199. The higher capacity ones (32/64???) had the Cortex A8 in and were priced higher.

Now the iPod Touch 4G gave the entire lineup the A4 processor or whatever the hell was in the iPhone 4 (sorry memory getting rusty, and the pricing started at $229 for the 8GB. It wasn't until 2011 during the iPhone 4S announcement that the iPod Touch was unchanged, but dropped back to $199 starting price.

before ipad 1 there were rumors that it was going to cost $1000 for the entry level model. apple puts these out on purpose to come out looking cool

TBH the iPad was priced VERY competitively. Compare this to an iPod Touch releasing at $299 and an iPhone releasing at like $599 or whatever it was when it came out back in the day. Even if there was nothing else to compare to, its clear that other tablet manufacturers shot at the $499-$599 price point too and so the iPad really did quite well. I think while Apple had a lead and could've garnered up good support for a $599 or $699 product because no one else had a competitive tablet at that time, by the time the Xoom came out and other Android tablets, Apple would've been severely undercut and would be forced to cut prices. Instead they came out swinging with low prices to begin with.

 

[bearxor]

Investors won't like the gross margins on those.
iPad2 is not a cheap tablet to make, even with 8GB. They can probably do $400 though.
Also, Apple wants the old geezers to spend $500, and they are most affluent and the easiest to convince that Android is scary and should be left to those techie young kids.

Isn't the teardown cost of an 16GB iPad 2 like < $250?