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SSSnail

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Like others have said, because the election as many have claimed, has been "rigged" or at the very least, extremely pro Hillary from the start. They feel Bernie did not have a fair chance.
But, why are they ignoring the many more that don't feel that way? Just because a vocal minority feels certain way, doesn't make it the popular belief, as evident.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
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But, why are they ignoring the many more that don't feel that way? Just because a vocal minority feels certain way, doesn't make it the popular belief, as evident.

Because feelings are irrelevant when there are leaked documents that prove it.
 

SSSnail

Lifer
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Because feelings are irrelevant when there are leaked documents that prove it.

What leaked documents proofed what? So far, it's hearsay. Give me some proof that DEMOCRACY was indeed undermined.

Oh, is this more like "Hey, that Billy kid sure is trouble, make sure to keep an eye on him and don't let him destroy our school by himself and his clique"
?

There might be emails between the faculties discussing how to keep Billy in line?
 

Ruptga

Lifer
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What leaked documents proofed what? So far, it's hearsay. Give me some proof that DEMOCRACY was indeed undermined.

Oh, is this more like "Hey, that Billy kid sure is trouble, make sure to keep an eye on him and don't let him destroy our school by himself and his clique"
?

There might be emails between the faculties discussing how to keep Billy in line?

I've known you were trolling since your OP and I only responded for the sake of whoever maybe reading this thread while living under a rock, but I'm not going to hold their hand or yours. Google it, the DNC leadership did what they could to make sure one of their own candidates failed.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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I've known you were trolling since your OP and I only responded for the sake of whoever maybe reading this thread while living under a rock, but I'm not going to hold their hand or yours. Google it, the DNC leadership did what they could to make sure one of their own candidates failed.

Too bad the Republicans weren't as effective.
 

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It appears that they didn't cheat as much as the DNC. That'll learn them.

Or they were too focused on personal gain and their own kingdoms to unify and promote one. Hillary has been shaking hands and plotting for close to a decade for a run. Good long game for that one.
 

SSSnail

Lifer
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I've known you were trolling since your OP and I only responded for the sake of whoever maybe reading this thread while living under a rock, but I'm not going to hold their hand or yours. Google it, the DNC leadership did what they could to make sure one of their own candidates failed.

I think they were making sure to not let a rowdy kid and his clique screwing the pooch for everyone at school .
 
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Ruptga

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Or they were too focused on personal gain and their own kingdoms to unify and promote one. Hillary has been shaking hands and plotting for close to a decade for a run. Good long game for that one.

Definitely a valid point.

I think they were making sure to not let a rowdy kid and his clique screwing the pooch for everyone at school .
I'm sure that's how they rationalized it, but
 

SViscusi

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Anyone who thinks the process was rigged is completely ignorant to the mechanics of the process. Built into it are numerous advantages for candidates like Sanders. The first two states are pure retail politics with homogenized constituencies, they're also far more liberal than the general left leaning person. Caucuses litter the calendar and skew heavily towards those with significant time to spare and are loudest.

The DNC emails mean nothing. Every single email is from long after the point when the margin of the race was set, March 15th. Sanders didn't lose for any reason other than he failed to connect with women and black people. Had he cut into those margins like Obama did, he would have won, but he didn't. The DNC is and was completely irrelevant to his loss.

Clinton won because she earned the votes. She had a long term relationship with the base of the Democratic Party, she put together an excellent campaign team, and she worked hard for the support. Sanders only had the 3rd and his campaign took such a with us or against us mentality that large, powerful, liberal organizations as well as Democratic icons like John Lewis were being thrown under the bus on a daily basis. No one could beat a candidate like Clinton doing that.
 

sportage

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To the OP,
Here's the funny thing...
Personally I have known and been aware of Bernie Sanders for some 25+ years.
I remember Bernie appearing on Al Franken's radio show when Al was on Air America Radio years and years ago.
Bernie has also been on MSNBC quite often during the Bush administration warning about his concerns over GW Bush and the Bush policies.
These angry BERNIE OR BUST Sanders loyalist of late slept thru all of that.

For Sanders loyalist, most of them had never heard or paid attention to Bernie Sanders before he ran for president.
For them, Sanders was brand new and fresh out of the box.
THEN, once Bernie came into their sheltered little world, they fell in love, the idiots.
And I call them idiots because they never had a clue or gave a damn about anything BEOFRE Bernie had come along as a presidential candidate.
These Sanders diehard loyalist could care less about politics before Sanders came into national recognition as a presidential candidate, even though Bernie Sanders was not some new kid on the block in politics for damn sure. Bernie was very old hat.

So, this very select few of Sanders loyalist suddenly thought and believed they had discovered the next best thing since sliced bread in Bernie Sanders.
And their newfound dying devotion was silly as hell because these morons have never cared at all until they discovered and believed Bernie to be some GOD, their GOD.

These diehard Sanders loyalist that chant, rant, put tape over their pie-hole, and kick tissy fits have never been interested in politics one iota.
They never vote, they never get involved, they never have cared who was the current president at any given time, nor did they want to care.
Spoiled little rich kids, maybe, but most likely simply spoiled and not necessarily rich.
Just kids with their heads up their ass.

They crawled out of their holes, their caves, their sheltered worlds and gave praised to their newfound savior Bernie Sanders.
And now that Bernie has lost, they will not support Hillary, they will not support Trump, nor would they ever support any third party or green party candidate.
With their tail between their legs, they will simply crawl back into their little holes, caves, sheltered worlds, never to get involved again.
For them, politics is a dirty word. Something only the old folks get excited about.

Trump could win and all out nuclear war could break out.
Hillary could win and unite every nation of the world, and for them none of that would even matter.
They feel their God Bernie Sanders has turned against them, and so they are pissed off.
Just like any spoiled little brat.

I speak only of that very small select few of Sanders diehard loyalist, those few diehard "Burnie or bust" loyalist that never wanted a political leader, they only wanted the promise of the free stuff.
Now that all has come to and end for them, they will never vote and never align with any political party. They never have.
They never have and they never will.

Democrats need not worry about their influence or anger towards Hillary because they were never party loyalist in the first place.
And republicans are foolish to believe these disgruntled Bernie loyalist would ever cross over to the dark side and vote for Donald Trump.
They will never vote in 2016 at all, for any president or party
They never did know what the hell was going on, and they never will.
Politics has nothing to do with them, and they nothing to do with politics.
 
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senseamp

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85% of Sanders voters are supporting Hillary. The rest can go back to playing Pokémon Go now.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Anyone who thinks the process was rigged is completely ignorant to the mechanics of the process. Built into it are numerous advantages for candidates like Sanders. The first two states are pure retail politics with homogenized constituencies, they're also far more liberal than the general left leaning person. Caucuses litter the calendar and skew heavily towards those with significant time to spare and are loudest.

The DNC emails mean nothing. Every single email is from long after the point when the margin of the race was set, March 15th. Sanders didn't lose for any reason other than he failed to connect with women and black people. Had he cut into those margins like Obama did, he would have won, but he didn't. The DNC is and was completely irrelevant to his loss.

Clinton won because she earned the votes. She had a long term relationship with the base of the Democratic Party, she put together an excellent campaign team, and she worked hard for the support. Sanders only had the 3rd and his campaign took such a with us or against us mentality that large, powerful, liberal organizations as well as Democratic icons like John Lewis were being thrown under the bus on a daily basis. No one could beat a candidate like Clinton doing that.

Oh hell, you get what politics is about. Clintons put their time in, have generated enormous amounts of money for the party, campaigned for others in their party. Sometimes things are earned.
 

bononos

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But, why are they ignoring the many more that don't feel that way? Just because a vocal minority feels certain way, doesn't make it the popular belief, as evident.
Hillary had a 10-1 advantage in the superdelegate vote (~550 vs 50) and 1.6x delegate votes compared to Bernie despite only having 55% of the popular vote. She also had a heavy advantage in superdelegate votes against Obama in 2008. The system seems stacked against outsiders.

Just a heads-up, but the Democratic party doesn't run the primaries. States and counties do.
Carry on.
Democrat politicians and their lobbyists have 15% of the delegate vote locked up in the form of superdelegates. The DNC chair ran Hillary's 2008 campaign (co-chair). So the Dem party has a heavy influence on how the DNC conducts its business.
 
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