I drive extremely low miles. Oil changes?

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bradly1101

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A fair amount of good advice has been given in this thread, enough to where a reasonable person could draw the conclusion that short drives are hard on an engine. But this goes against the way you want to use your vehicle, so I think the best advice for you is to just do what you want. Since you bought a brand-new vehicle to drive such low miles, there's no reason to believe you won't do so again. In 5 or 10 years, you can just replace it with something else, and any problems that have started due to the history of the vehicle will become someone else's problem.
My last car was driven like this and lasted 24 years. It was bought used at 9 years old with 130,000 on the ODO, then it was driven like this for its last 13 years with zero problems. I expect this car to last me until I can no longer drive (I'm 55).
 

bradly1101

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Well okay, point being is that it doesn't matter in the OP's case. It is somewhat tiresome to have something that is fairly common knowledge to car guys get called into question over and over again, though.
You guys convinced me to not go more than 18 mos. between oil changes (I was going to go longer), you also convinced me to drive a bit more (which means visiting my crazy family more - thanks! )
 
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My last car was driven like this and lasted 24 years. It was bought used at 9 years old with 130,000 on the ODO, then it was driven like this for its last 13 years with zero problems. I expect this car to last me until I can no longer drive (I'm 55).
Yes, so the whole oil change thing is a moot point, realistically. You could use something like the Lubricheck Oil Tester to possibly further minimize the environmental impact of excessive oil changes, that might be an acceptable compromise between ignoring the oil and possibly changing it excessively.
 
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bradly1101

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Yes, so the whole oil change thing is a moot point, realistically. You could use something like the Lubricheck Oil Tester to possibly further minimize the environmental impact of excessive oil changes, that might be an acceptable compromise between ignoring the oil and possibly changing it excessively.
Yes, thank you. The whole reason for this thread was because of the newness of this car. The old gal before her went much longer than 18mos between changes with apparently no ill effects, but starting out with a new car meant new thinking toward preservation.
 

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My car gets up to maximum heat (a little below the center mark on the gauge) in less than a quarter mile. Wouldn't the rest of my three mile trip be enough for stuff to burn off? Does low mileage driving cause extra buildup or less?

For what it is worth the temp gauge on your dash is probably a dummy gauge. Automakers found that people freaked out about those gauges too much so they just have it so it stays in the middle unless wildly out of range. With my digital gauge plugged in to the PCM it can take 5 minutes for my car to reach full operating temp when it is 100 degrees outside. My truck can take half an hour to reach normal temp if it is cold outside.

Someone above said manufacturers normally recommend 20 mile drives every other week. A 20 mile drive without traffic sounds like plenty to ensure burn off. At 3 miles I am highly doubtful that your car is even up to 160 degrees unless it is over 100 outside.

Either way though even if you don't burn off all the crud I doubt you will ever have a failure as a result unless you do something silly like never change your oil at all.
 

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If its 4k or fewer then just change it once a year with regular oil. Make sure to try and get a good 5+mile drive in once a month. Will get the motor up to proper temp and also keep the battery with a little charge.

Might be good to get a cheap auto-battery tender if not driving for more than a couple weeks.
 
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I really wish that I could afford one or else I would as the thought of not having to perform that level of maintenance really appeals to me.
How much are used Volts in your area? I've put almost exactly the same amount of electric-only miles on my Volt in the past week than you have entirely on that car. You seem far more fit for a car like this than even myself. Surely the trade-in or resale is still pretty high with that low of miles.
 

PricklyPete

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BMW sets the interval to 10k miles or 2 years on my 3 series. 2 years seems reasonable for synthetic.
 

eng2d2

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The best way to do or to stop wondering is send your oil to black stone oil analysis. Then you will have a better idea when to change your oil.
 

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I recommend the site Bobtheoilguy for Oil analysis. Me every time I see the oil goes black I change it. If I will change one time a year I will go Full Synthetic,
 

corkyg

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My manual says about 8,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
 

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The Sienna engine is very efficient, just look at the tailpipe, seeing Siennas passing by, I can see clean inside tailpipe.
Pulling out the dipstick on a 2004 to 2018 the oil will look clean, even after 10,000 miles.
These engines NEVER wear out, they don't contaminate the oil, they don't burn much oil and will only die if you lose radiator water or the idiot forgot to put oil in the engine.
With most synthetic oils, you will burn more because the oil viscosity is a lot lower. The only reason for synthetic oil is for fuel economy. Seen inside of 100k engine, and they look perfect.
 
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jlee

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The Sienna engine is very efficient, just look at the tailpipe, seeing Siennas passing by, I can see clean inside tailpipe.
Pulling out the dipstick on a 2004 to 2018 the oil will look clean, even after 10,000 miles.
These engines NEVER wear out, they don't contaminate the oil, they don't burn much oil and will only die if you lose radiator water or the idiot forgot to put oil in the engine.
With most synthetic oils, you will burn more because the oil viscosity is a lot lower. The only reason for synthetic oil is for fuel economy. Seen inside of 100k engine, and they look perfect.

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There are so many things wrong with those post that I'm not sure where to begin.
 

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It is not overkill in my opinion. You only have to do this once and the cost is 28$
Not true at all. Only doing it once, only tells you what that one particular oil fill is doing in that one particular season, driving habit, state of repair, and age of vehicle.

They are largely a waste of money. If your engine has significant problems you shouldn't need an oil report to notice and if it doesn't, that doesn't suddenly mean you should downgrade to substandard oil, nor should anyone mistakenly think that oil with magic pixie dust in it makes a significant difference for normal driving, normal (no severe design faults) engines. Might it help to see how your oil holds up during 100MPH heroin runs across the border? Maybe. Frankly a much more useful test would be a transmission fluid analysis since that's a once in a (much greater time period) question with a much greater expense.
 

bradly1101

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I just had the first change (a birthday present to myself). My great mechanic pulled it into the garage and came back out and said that it only had 500mi. I told him it was over a year, so he did it and gave me a $5 discount to $20 for the change (+ my oil and filter ~$80). He said the old oil looked perfectly new. It seems like such a waste, but oh well. The dealer would have been free, but I haven't trusted anyone with my cars (2) more than this guy.
 
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The oil isnt an issue.. you can run a year and not have an issue without a change of oil.. the oil does oxidize, so technically you'd want to replace it, but since its synth oil, you will be fine.

The gasoline on the other hand.. that is a bigger issue. You better be using stabil or something to keep teh gas fresh and keep the tank full.. the gasoline will oxidize, and when you run, its going to run like crap .. just be aware..
 

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I've used the 3000 miles or once per year regimen for decades. More recently, my newer cars have had factory recommendations of 5000 to 7500 miles, so I changed the regimen to <factory recommendation> or once per year.
Our 2005 Expedition had 60K miles on it when we traded it in 2 years ago, I just traded in my 2005 F-150 with 60K on it for a new F-150. We just don't drive a lot unless we're going on vacations.
I'll stick to the recommended maintenance schedules with this one since EVERYTHING except new tires is covered for 7 years/75000 miles.
 

bradly1101

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The oil isnt an issue.. you can run a year and not have an issue without a change of oil.. the oil does oxidize, so technically you'd want to replace it, but since its synth oil, you will be fine.

The gasoline on the other hand.. that is a bigger issue. You better be using stabil or something to keep teh gas fresh and keep the tank full.. the gasoline will oxidize, and when you run, its going to run like crap .. just be aware..
I was reading about 'stale gas' and plug-in hybrids. The Prius recommends adding 5.3 gallons/yr. to keep it fresh. I put in about 16 gal./twice a year so I'm fine.
 
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