I feel sorry for those in the education industry.

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agent00f

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Hardly! (But certainly not the first false accusation thrown my way!)

My problem is not with educators, but with uberlefts who force others to accept their beliefs and will happily use the education system to do so. Many of these teachers are at the mercy of a far-left board directing them... and many are just leftist zealots themselves more than happy to indoctrinate another generation.

Not exactly a coincidence that smarter people tend to be students of western liberalism.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
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Not exactly a coincidence that smarter people tend to be students of western liberalism.

Depends on what you mean by liberalism.

Are probably a lot of electrical engineers etc would be frowning at you a bit
 

Blue_Max

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Not exactly a coincidence that smarter people tend to be students of western liberalism.
CLASSIC liberalism, perhaps. The kind where free speech is heralded, with open discussion of all ideas and their merits.

This is NOT what the "progressive left" has become. Progressives stifle all opinions contrary to their own, their own is the only accepted narrative. Opponents are not debated, they are shouted down and punished.

Anyone with the "wrong" opinion is considered "evil" with every x-ist term they can repeat until their opponent either retreats or is crushed under a dogpile.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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When will the frothing politicos in here realize the problems in education have little to do with the left or the right and everything to do with allowing risk management types to make policy?
 

Blue_Max

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When will the frothing politicos in here realize the problems in education have little to do with the left or the right and everything to do with allowing risk management types to make policy?

I wish it were that simple, but the politics are already firmly entrenched in the education system. Any solutions inevitably WILL encounter it and risk management should be prepared to deal with that and protect the policy enforcers from the hurt-feelings pushback.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
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CLASSIC liberalism, perhaps. The kind where free speech is heralded, with open discussion of all ideas and their merits.

This is NOT what the "progressive left" has become. Progressives stifle all opinions contrary to their own, their own is the only accepted narrative. Opponents are not debated, they are shouted down and punished.

Anyone with the "wrong" opinion is considered "evil" with every x-ist term they can repeat until their opponent either retreats or is crushed under a dogpile.

Oh trust me, I took a philosophy course at the University of Chaminade back in the 80's, which was a Catholic school based in Honolulu.

Some things I questioned about the Bible at the time I got a bit of stink eye about in general, and it was a bit of a pretty open debating environment.

I probably would have been run out of the classroom on a rail in most universities these days.

Just saying "but what if the Bible is not true" in response to a fellow classmate probably lowered my grade 1 point, but I passed the course at the time.
 
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Paladin3

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If the woman worked in a private business and made the exact same public comment to a client she would have been fired instantly. Somehow, because it's a student, it's okay to call them out in a venue visible to the entire school? I know that's what we naturally would want to do, because tough lessons are sometime the best, but not in today's public school environment where kids are offing themselves over the slightest thing. It's a crappy climate to work in, but she should have know better.

I don't think we have to embarrass students publicly to teach them, even if it can be an effective tool. Right or wrong, today's wussy parents demand teachers hold their little snowflakes to a higher standard and protect their feelings.
 

MongGrel

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If the woman worked in a private business and made the exact same public comment to a client she would have been fired instantly. Somehow, because it's a student, it's okay to call them out in a venue visible to the entire school? I know that's what we naturally would want to do, because tough lessons are sometime the best, but not in today's public school environment where kids are offing themselves over the slightest thing. It's a crappy climate to work in, but she should have know better.

I don't think we have to embarrass students publicly to teach them, even if it can be an effective tool. Right or wrong, today's wussy parents demand teachers hold their little snowflakes to a higher standard and protect their feelings.

What she posted was a pretty light slap on the wrist and made sense to me.

Firing was over the top.
 

pauldun170

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I said in the OP that she was not a teacher, and that she works in the education industry.

You miss the point entirely, that the reach of the overly sensitive education leadership is long, and if you are even remotely aligned with a school, you will be burned at the stake for the slightest transgression.

In the adult world where real people live, when you are at job and are public facing, save the bullshit comments towards the "client\customer\whoever consumes your employers service" until the paint is dry on the nameplate by your desk.

Read below

Nash recently replaced Brandon Oland as “web experience coordinator” after he left for Baltimore County Public Schools. Nash oversees social media and provides support to the school district websites. She earns $44,066 annually.

On Thursday, someone who appeared to be a student tweeted to the school district’s Twitter account with a simple plea: Please close school tomorrow.

The student, whose name is listed as “Nathan” on Twitter, spelled “tomorrow” as “tammarow.”

Nash, who had control of the Twitter feed, @FCPSMaryland, wrote back (clearly in jest):

“But then how would you learn how to spell ‘tomorrow?’ ”

Online reaction was swift and gleeful.

Multiple people loved the comeback and declared Nash’s response “savage.” One user called Nash a “blessing.”

The GIFs from other people who enjoyed Nash’s tweet flowed freely. (For those uninformed, GIFs are those little moving clips that you often see floating about the internet.)

People asked who ran the Twitter account. Katie introduced herself personally on the Twitter feed by her first name, posting pictures of her and her two children.


....
The student later tweeted to the school system account, asking why it “roasted” him.

“Everybody is retweeting it now come on everyone chill,” he wrote.

Nash replied via Twitter: “If school is delayed you’ll be chillin’ while we’re at 4 a.m. letting folks know — you win.”
...
Michael Doerrer, who heads the school district’s communications and marketing, decided that not only the notorious tweet, but also a rash of tweets from Nash over a period of several days interacting with students should be deleted. In other tweets, Nash bantered with students on whether school would be closed and other topics.

In an interview, Doerrer said the student was receiving “an uncomfortable level” of comments online.

He declined to talk about the performance of specific employees (Nash) but said that generally, the district’s approach to social media is to talk with “an FCPS voice” and recognize its audience of more than 40,000 students and their families.
...

“There’s a difference between doing social media as an organization, and projecting the values and beliefs, the organizational priorities, versus doing social media as an individual,” Alban said.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/ne...cle_8e1e2215-0d91-5dcb-9293-c3f2402fcf3a.html

She was a new employee of an institution and did not act in a professional manner.
Her employer terminated her.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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"It's the internet guys, let's keep it professional."

I'd probably end up fired too
 

pauldun170

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If Nash is still fired, it is ridiculous to a ludicrous degree of idiocy.

Should the school bend over backwards for the internet concerning the termination of a new hire?
Are you saying that because you thought nothing wrong with the individual tweet, the school should cut her a break and "train her" properly to do a job she was hired to do?
Are you saying that you would allow a new hire to treat the marketing and communications channels of your business as their own personal media outlet?
 

pauldun170

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I think this is the key quote
“There’s a difference between doing social media as an organization, and projecting the values and beliefs, the organizational priorities, versus doing social media as an individual”

From a "corporate" perspective
Nash was hired to represent the organization on social media and she did not meet reasonable standards.
2 months in and she is bantering with people and posting personal photographs.

Its one thing if its a valued employee that has already established themselves.
For a newbie?
Unless the fit with the rest of the staff is amazeballs I'd fire the person too.

The fact that this is public institution who has a responsibility to the students, I agree with the board.
A new hires actions negatively impacted a student of the district.

The failure to use common sense falls completely on Nash.

Why is this extremely local story even national?

Name: Katherine (Katie) Nash
Education: BA – Political Science/History, Hood College (’04); MBA (Marketing ) – Hood College (’08)

She ran for Alderman on the republican ticket few years back (2013). Wouldn't be surprised if her name pops up again in a few years.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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The real important question is did the student learn to spell tomorrow correctly? The fact the student couldn't spell it correctly looks worse on the school system than the tweets.
 

pauldun170

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The real important question is did the student learn to spell tomorrow correctly? The fact the student couldn't spell it correctly looks worse on the school system than the tweets.

Or maybe it was a simple misspelling on twitter that occurs to just about everyone who thumbs away on their phone....
 

MongGrel

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Or maybe it was a simple misspelling on twitter that occurs to just about everyone who thumbs away on their phone....

While you completely ignore the message sent to begin with.

Is the forest/vs trees argument, I thought it was a very well thought off the cuff response myself.

She does not need training, and you are being obtuse.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
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"tammarow." being a simple misspelling or fat finger is quite a stretch. Nor does it make sense that a spellchecker would screw it up that badly.

The misspelling still has little to do with it really.

Was just a light pay attention thing in response to the message.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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Education: BA – Political Science/History, Hood College (’04); MBA (Marketing ) – Hood College (’08)
I was prepared to disagree with you until I got to this ^^. With that educational background, she should have known better. Still not a firing offense in my opinion but conduct that required correction.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I wish it were that simple, but the politics are already firmly entrenched in the education system. Any solutions inevitably WILL encounter it and risk management should be prepared to deal with that and protect the policy enforcers from the hurt-feelings pushback.

You are making a lot of claims in this thread, how about some facts to back them up?
 

pauldun170

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"tammarow." being a simple misspelling or fat finger is quite a stretch. Nor does it make sense that a spellchecker would screw it up that badly.

That is not a common misspelling of the word and I can't think of how accents in that area would lend to "tammarow"
Its easy to end up with all sorts of intentionally misspelled words added to android when you are smart ass texting back and forth with friends.
"Tammarow" said out loud has a certain silliness about it.

Could have been a simple slip. Could be that the kid is a moron.
It doesn't matter.
 

pauldun170

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I was prepared to disagree with you until I got to this ^^. With that educational background, she should have known better. Still not a firing offense in my opinion but conduct that required correction.

I agree but I would add it depends on what tone the individual organization has established and wants to project.
If its some startup or company that uses marketing tactics to generate "buzz"...I could see being a bit more lenient with things like this.
I can also see industries where public perception is more tightly controlled having zero tolerance for what Nash did.

For a school system where now you are creating unintended discourse among students concerning faculty AND a student a lot of factors come into play.

Like you pointed out, for someone holding an MBA with a emphasis on marketing to do this is ridiculous.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
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I agree but I would add it depends on what tone the individual organization has established and wants to project.
If its some startup or company that uses marketing tactics to generate "buzz"...I could see being a bit more lenient with things like this.
I can also see industries where public perception is more tightly controlled having zero tolerance for what Nash did.

For a school system where now you are creating unintended discourse among students concerning faculty AND a student a lot of factors come into play.

Like you pointed out, for someone holding an MBA with a emphasis on marketing to do this is ridiculous.

You apparently did not look into the kids background of repeatedly posting similar things in the past, either.

The trolls win again.
 
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