Your reputation as a troll is already well established. Give feralkid a chance.
Education. Starting with money management learning at a young age.Yeah UBI will fail for the simple reason that it will get spent stupidly and we'd be right back here.
Silly analogy but there can be some telling moments of his show.
I remember in the late 90s(?) the Howard Stern show had some kind of homeless guy contest and the winner won like 10k cash, the homeless guy immediately rented a suite in an expensive hotel and had a party with all the high end food & mini bar drinks him and anyone who attended wanted. He was out of money by the Monday morning show. The guy literally spend a few thousand a day until he had zero or nearly zero money left.
This was a long time ago so some figures may be incorrect but not off by much.
Let's think of yourself you are sleeping on the street and have no support network (which why family or friends or your lack of either allow it is another question), you get provided several months rent or even a year plus of rent somewhere less expensive and you choose to throw a party that costs a few thousand per day instead of doing something that lasts long term? How could you expect a personality like this to be capable of making a monthly budget and living off it?
If a 100% tax was applied, every single person would get ~49k annually. Every single couple would receive nearly 6 figures... that's how wealthy America actually is. Not to mention that much annually for every single child setup in a trust is worth $883k when they turn 18. Every couple would start off a millionaire. THAT is the true wealth in this country denied by inequality.
I'm not asking for 100%, just a portion. A fully funded basic income program of $1k per month results in $216k for 18 year olds.
It would cost a ~25% tax on personal income, or any other plan to fund up to that value. It is more than affordable.
What would you pay to secure our families, our economy, our future?
Education. Starting with money management learning at a young age.
And there you have it, a missed point and giant whooshing sound.
And there you have it, a missed point and giant whooshing sound.
I agree missed by both too.
The simple fact is, just like anything else involving people, is the situations are dynamic. I've met and associated with all kinds of people, from those who abuse the system, to those who want off but can't. There's a big gap between full time public assistance and full time self sustainability.
The other simple fact is, like a major reason for abandoning Europe and forming a new continent of modernized civilization, the wealth gap has become so big that it's going to create even more problems than it already has. This time, there's no "new world" to jump ship to.
I know what you're saying no two people are alike and fixing one thing tends to break another. Sad I can't get passed judging and not offering help.
Maybe Mars will be the next great frontier, could be cool provided it's like the original Total Recall not the crappy remake.
No point arguing over UBI. It's going to happen because the economy will collapse from lack of demand otherwise. The rich aren't going to buy 1000 times as much stuff just because they make 1000 times more than the poor. And someone with no income because a robot took their job can't buy anything.
O.K. I'll bite...
When did you become such a jackass?
You post unsubstantiated bullshit, then when asked for proof, you go off on some tangent about statisticians.
When reminded by another forum member of your responsibility to back up your claims, you call him a troll.
What the hell is your problem?
All I see from the "conservative" side is the same old disease of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. And even then...not even the price of everything, just the immediate, short term price!
Even if you have a stock ticker where your soul should be, it very simply costs less to help people maintain normal lifestyles than it does to deal with them in the prison system later. Even if you're so completely inhuman, so utterly sociopathic, that you don't care about whatever kind of torture these people go through, the simple fact that prevention is cheaper than half-assed not-really-cure should make some inroad into your thinking.
If it still doesn't, then hiding behind "butbutbut MUH MUNNIEZ" is a smokescreen to cover something much darker: that you want these people to suffer, and you will happily spend more of "muh munniez" to see that happen.
No point arguing over UBI. It's going to happen because the economy will collapse from lack of demand otherwise. The rich aren't going to buy 1000 times as much stuff just because they make 1000 times more than the poor. And someone with no income because a robot took their job can't buy anything.
I believe the problem to a large extent is the lack of living wage jobs. Most people would work if it were in their benefit to do so, and more importantly see real opportunity. The influx of cheap china goods (mostly) has quelled competition in the US and driven inflation, which wall street loves. I think this could be corrected by some type of mandate that adjusts wages with profits. This and leveling the playing field with regard to imports, would at very least lower unemployment and narrow the income equality gap, and would free up tax funds for those truly in need. Big business needs consumers and workers (sans cheap outsourcing) as much as the opposite. Healthcare is another issue where 30 dollar bandaids raise insurance rates in a must have industry. Supply and demand shouldn't be in play in healthcare.
We must feed and take care of those who can't take care of themselves, but somehow create opportunity for those who can.
However this isn't about earnings it's about perpetual bad decisions, poor outcomes and just thinking like a loser (Trump speak).
While earnings certainly contributed I highly doubt a bigger income even with a job is going to erase these problems
There would need to be some control over what is spent on what...
Let's think of yourself you are sleeping on the street and have no support network (which why family or friends or your lack of either allow it is another question), you get provided several months rent or even a year plus of rent somewhere less expensive and you choose to throw a party that costs a few thousand per day instead of doing something that lasts long term? How could you expect a personality like this to be capable of making a monthly budget and living off it?
Long and worthwhile read:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/on...ontinue/ar-BBBOEaR?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
I just don't know what to think. There is definitely some form of enabling going on and she appears to have not learned or been able to make the right decision on things in life.
However I am truly torn its not my job to judge people, I want to help people but sometimes helping seems to do more harm than good.
snippets for the lazy:
Young mom, everyone in the family has some kind of disability. She seems to know more than medical professionals, everyone is on some kind of med. She seems disappointed that two kids don't have autism because it reduces her monthly check (I'm speculating and judging about this)
She appears to have trouble setting limits for the kids and doesn't seem disappointed with failure.
Plus the classic $300 per month cell phone bill.
Thoughts guys @glenn1 @Doc Savage Fan @werepossum not meant to be a call out so only contribute if you want
There are always some who game the system. Just look to 2008 and all the Bonuses handed out to Bankers when they were Bailed Out with hundreds of Billions of dollars.
I didnt read the article. But from what you described I knew a family of people who knew every avenue to take advantage of the system. It opened my eyes to a different world. The amount of effort and brain power it took for them to know about every program, how to sign up, how to gain the best advantage. It only made me think "what if you took that efffort and did something productive"?
I can't answer that question for them. But these people were clearly not stupid. Just didnt understand how to apply themselves to be productive.
To address your question about enabling behavior. I think there is some of that going on. Programs are supposed to help people get through tough times. When it becomes multi-generational. The system has failed and is now enabling poor behavior. It isnt helping these people anymore. It has become their source of life.
Not to defend bankers, but TARP were primarily loans to TBTF banks and were re-paid with interest. The alternative to TARP (letting the banks fail) was significantly worse to the economy and for average Americans (really, for everybody worldwide).There are always some who game the system. Just look to 2008 and all the Bonuses handed out to Bankers when they were Bailed Out with hundreds of Billions of dollars.
Not to defend bankers, but TARP were primarily loans to TBTF banks and were re-paid with interest. The alternative to TARP (letting the banks fail) was significantly worse to the economy and for average Americans (really, for everybody worldwide).
You could argue that under Pres. Obama, TARP should've had a lot more strings attached but that's a separate, lesser issue. In late 2008, the Treasury Dept. had to act extremely quickly to prevent another great depression. Obviously I can't prove this, but many economists believe this. The "moral hazard" argument is very valid, but had to be decoupled from the immediate decisions to "rescue" the banking system or to let everything fail.
But I agree with your broader point that some can argue about social welfare for the needy on a relatively small scale; while corporate welfare is generally condoned, and even championed by the GOP.