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Azuma Hazuki

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You're talking to a straight-edger, but thanks for the concern, Big Bucket. That is how I know you've lost, when you resort to that.
 
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I lost? So when do you get your prize in the mail? lol

If you don't want people to accuse you of being on drugs you might want to hold off with the incoherent replies.
 

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Pretty obvious. People are going back to work, and off assistance. As the article says, it is not meant to be a long term thing. Hopefully you don't think that is a bad think. Able bodied people with no kids should be working, or bettering themselves otherwise.

As you've replied to several of my posts, you wonder why I said you were trolling? Geez.
 

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Pretty obvious. People are going back to work, and off assistance. As the article says, it is not meant to be a long term thing. Hopefully you don't think that is a bad think. Able bodied people with no kids should be working, or bettering themselves otherwise.

As you've replied to several of my posts, you wonder why I said you were trolling? Geez.

If you think there are many jobs to be had in rural Alabama you're woefully uninformed.

Training programs? You're talking about people so poor that they don't have reliable transportation & couldn't afford the gas if they did.

It's all feel good smoke & mirrors for guys like you. It just makes a lot of poor people in Alabama even poorer.
 

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If you think there are many jobs to be had in rural Alabama you're woefully uninformed.

Training programs? You're talking about people so poor that they don't have reliable transportation & couldn't afford the gas if they did.

It's all feel good smoke & mirrors for guys like you. It just makes a lot of poor people in Alabama even poorer.

There are jobs everywhere. I guess you have been to rural Alabama lately? Other states have shown increases of jobs after people getting off snap too. Including Maine, since you seem to not think highly or rural Alabama.

A key component of the 1996 welfare reform bill, the work requirement applies to able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWD) between the ages of 18 to 49.

However, as part of his 2009 economic stimulus, then-President Barack Obama allowed states to waive SNAP work requirements, which resulted in the number of ABAWDs on food stamps more than doubling from 1.9 million in 2008 to 3.9 million in 2010, according to a 2012 Congressional Research Service study.

The number continued to rise but has since slipped to roughly 4.2 million. According to the USDA, most states still offer full or partial waivers.

If you don't think that is a problem, doubling in a few years, then we simply don't agree.

Welfare was never intended to be a one-way handout, but a program based on the idea of reciprocity,” said Robert Rector, a fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “Those who receive benefits from the government should be required to work or participate in work-training as a condition

I agree with this 100%. No problem helping people get back on their feet. By the sound of your post, you don't think that able bodied childless adults should be working though. Just sitting back and taking benefits huh? Again, we don't agree then.
 
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If you think there are many jobs to be had in rural Alabama you're woefully uninformed.
Really?

http://www2.labor.alabama.gov/

Alabama’s preliminary, seasonally adjusted May unemployment rate is 4.9%, down from April’s rate of 5.4%, and significantly lower than May 2016’s rate of 5.8%. May’s rate represents 107,364 unemployed persons, compared to 119,113 in April and 125,153 in May 2016. May’s rate represents 2,089,217 employed persons, compared to 2,088,764 in April and 2,038,912 in May 2016.

The last time Alabama’s unemployment rate was at or below 4.9% was March 2008 when it measured 4.8%. The last time Current Population Survey (CPS) employment measured at or above 2,089,217 was March 2007, when it measured 2,090,126.

Wage and salary employment, totaling 2,014,600, increased in May by 13,100. Monthly gains were seen in the leisure and hospitality sector (+6,100), the construction sector (+3,100), and the manufacturing sector (+1,500), among others.

The only other times wage and salary employment surpassed 2,014,600 were in December 2007 (2,026,700), November 2007 (2,022,000), and June 2007 (2,018,400).

Over the year, wage and salary employment increased by 33,000, with gains in the leisure and hospitality sector (+7,500), the manufacturing sector (+6,300), and the education and health services sector (+6,000), among others.

All metropolitan areas had rate decreases both over the month and over the year. Only one county (Sumter) experienced a rate increase over the month, and all counties saw their rates drop over the year.
You should probably do some research first BEFORE making ridiculous statements that have no bearing on reality, Jhhnn. Even if you try to claim some that your were talking about "rural" employment, nobody else was, so that's a red herring argument.
 

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There are jobs everywhere. I guess you have been to rural Alabama lately? Other states have shown increases of jobs after people getting off snap too. Including Maine, since you seem to not think highly or rural Alabama.

You really don't get it, in a willful way. If there were half assed decent jobs available in poverty stricken Alabama counties they wouldn't be poverty stricken. Click on the map-

http://www.povertyusa.org/the-state-of-poverty/poverty-map-county/

The economy has been collapsing for decades in the poorest parts of this country.
 

Jhhnn

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Really?

http://www2.labor.alabama.gov/


You should probably do some research first BEFORE making ridiculous statements that have no bearing on reality, Jhhnn. Even if you try to claim some that your were talking about "rural" employment, nobody else was, so that's a red herring argument.

So, employed, but living in poverty anyway. I thought getting a job was about getting out of poverty. Silly me.
 
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So, employed, but living in poverty anyway. I thought getting a job was about getting out of poverty. Silly me.
Where does it say that getting a job is getting out of poverty, Jhhnn? Who said that? How about getting a job but getting off the dole? You are employing yet another red herring argument. Stop trying to twist things and bringing bs arguments into the mix. It really gets old.
 

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Pretty obvious. People are going back to work, and off assistance. As the article says, it is not meant to be a long term thing. Hopefully you don't think that is a bad think. Able bodied people with no kids should be working, or bettering themselves otherwise.

As you've replied to several of my posts, you wonder why I said you were trolling? Geez.
I don't think it's obvious. That's why I asked. I don't know what your deal is, but maybe stop calling troll every effin' minute.

I can think of able-bodied people who should not have a job, and certainly not be forced to get one lest they starve to death. Or their children.

Also I definitely would not look to the Heritage Foundation for policy wisdom. Saying that the social safety net is not there to catch people, but to trap them... and the absurdity that work needs extra incentives is so brazenly ignorant of the human condition and psychology... bah, what do I know about this or anything else. You'll certainly tell me "nothing" anyways.

Good luck to you.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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Good ol' Ackmed the Live Conservaterrorist. He will not keeeeel jooooo, but he'll vote for people who will!
 

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Where does it say that getting a job is getting out of poverty, Jhhnn? Who said that? How about getting a job but getting off the dole? You are employing yet another red herring argument. Stop trying to twist things and bringing bs arguments into the mix. It really gets old.
^"Liberal"
 

Jhhnn

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^"Liberal"

The One True Liberal, a knight in shining armor for the greedy Rich.

The purpose of social welfare programs is to lift people out of poverty. The purpose of the right wing is to keep people in poverty, even if they are working.
 

Ackmed

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You really don't get it, in a willful way. If there were half assed decent jobs available in poverty stricken Alabama counties they wouldn't be poverty stricken. Click on the map-

http://www.povertyusa.org/the-state-of-poverty/poverty-map-county/

The economy has been collapsing for decades in the poorest parts of this country.

Oh I get it, you just think that everyone is so poor and so far away, that they cant possibly make it anywhere. That they are relegated to sitting on their asses collecting a check. You also think this only affects the rural areas. Not true.

When there are programs out there to help them, and there should be a push to get someone off welfare. The fact that you think a healthy 18 year old with no kids should not work, or make any effort into working, and just collect a check is a huge problem.

Good ol' Ackmed the Live Conservaterrorist. He will not keeeeel jooooo, but he'll vote for people who will!

Oh look, more name calling and ignorance from you. Calling me a terrorist is laughable. You don't know who I voted for.

Why don't you actually take the time and read the article, and reply to its merits. Welfare is meant to help people who need it. It is meant to get them back on their feet. It is not meant to be a lifelong dependency that never ends. People who are not able bodied or have other issues, do not fall into this category that the article is talking about. A young and healthy adult should be working, trying to find work, or getting help (work training) as the article says there is.

Please tell me why you agree with an 18 year old who is healthy, not working, making no attempt at working, and collecting a check is ok with you? How does me not agree with this make me a terrorist? The fact that you think trying to get someone who is healthy to work, is killing them, shows that you are not based in the realm of reality. I never said I wanted anyone dead.
 
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^"Liberal"
So now it's being liberal to think that able bodied persons should sit on their collective asses and suck on the government teat? When did you and Jhhnn feel inclined to redefine what a liberal is, and what gives you the impression you had anywhere near that authority in the first place?
 

Azuma Hazuki

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No, Chickenshit. It's also not "liberal" to think that someone working should still be in poverty. Have you forgotten what the purpose of the minimum wage was?

If you're a liberal I'm queen of the moon kingdom. And your false claims about this go all the way back to the beginning of your post history on this forum.
 

Jhhnn

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So now it's being liberal to think that able bodied persons should sit on their collective asses and suck on the government teat? When did you and Jhhnn feel inclined to redefine what a liberal is, and what gives you the impression you had anywhere near that authority in the first place?

Yep- it's that good old self righteous Puritan work ethic. One of those Church Lady things. They needed it in Jamestown in order to survive. Everybody needed to work & the leadership had work for everybody. That last part no longer holds & hasn't for a long while. The Job Creators have nothing for Pemiscot County (remember the OP?) or it wouldn't be a high poverty area. Their economy has been dying since the end of WW2 & their cultural identity along with it. That's true all across the rust belt, as well. The Job Creators have no use for a whole lot of people, with more jobs falling under the axe of increased profits through progress.

Your bullshit attitude won't change that one little bit. We can't have an economy where having a decent job is both a necessity & a privilege if we're to have a broad middle class.

Not that you actually care in any way other than FYGM.
 
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