You mean like the post above, where I put names and faces on the rich that so many on the left have an vast disdain for...until they realize they are the people that ultimately provide jobs for them, so they can earn money to live, buy computers, and bitch on the internet about the rich?
And when will you speak up against those attempting to slime me with incredibly pathetic reasoning and piss poor logic; people like Hazuki, or Agentoaf, when you know damn well they are acting like children?
You support the babies in here by your inaction. So don't preach to me until you put your actions where your mouth is. When that happens I might take you seriously. Until then you don't have a leg to stand on.
I have literally never seen what you do work in the least.
Racist sentiment is a continuum. I've heard people who aren't very racist at all say stupid shit in certain company. Screaming in their faces over the internet won't bring out their better natures. Quite the contrary.
That's what we need to do to create a broad consensus in favor of greater social welfare efforts rather than just trolling for emotional reactions.
Being kind to terrible people sure worked out well after the civil war, or any other time in history. Maybe conservatives are right that liberals can't take any personal responsibility for consequences of their actions.
How very conservative of you to think in such black & white terms.
It really can't be more clear that literally every conservative here is perfectly willing to turn a blind eye to any of their numerous hardcore racists, and in exchange the latter will recite gop econ pr copy. It's literally the political alliance you yourself have mentioned numerous times in the southern strat. It's similarly very clear that you're also perfectly willing to play the patsy so long as you get to be considered the "knowledgeable liberal" out to educate people for whom education has no purchase.
Racist sentiment is a continuum. I've heard people who aren't very racist at all say stupid shit in certain company. Screaming in their faces over the internet won't bring out their better natures. Quite the contrary.
That's what we need to do to create a broad consensus in favor of greater social welfare efforts rather than just trolling for emotional reactions.
Not on an online debate forum filled with deplorable trolls. That's what you work on in the real world with real people.
We've had a variety of conservative posters over the years who've largely fallen silent as the Trump presidency forces them to re-evaluate. The trolls remain, obviously.
A lot of conservatives are a bit too enamored of themselves in terms of independence & individuality so they're vulnerable to the emotionally appealing Freedumb! economic arguments of the right wing. They like to think that they're masters of their individual destinies, not subject to economic forces beyond their control. It's that whole "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" & "I built this!" thing. They're often single issue voters, as well- "God, Guns, gays & abortion" if you will.
Well financed right wing propaganda mills have had them dialed in for decades but Trumpism really is a revolt against that. They think Trump is *different*, that he actually gives a flying fuck about them. Decades of that insincerity from their leadership has left 'em with broken bullshit detectors.
You go on as if they're all virulent hateful racists when that's not really true. It just pushes 'em back into the dark bunker o' denial where they can't see their fellow travelers clearly at all.
Not on an online debate forum filled with deplorable trolls. That's what you work on in the real world with real people.
I try not to let the trolls get to me. It's what they want. Might try it yourself.
No, they know exactly what trump is. Someone who'll also suddenly pretend they never met david duke when pressed to denounce klan support, exactly the sort they identify with not like those other "politicians". Someone who'll insist Obama is a muslim born in kenya, hardly disqualifiers for being president as being incompetent at the job, but disqualifiers for racists. Someone who treats women as they want to, someone who represents what they want the country to be as the list goes on.
Just as it's their job to be backwards, it's your job to apologize for them so they can persist well into the future. Congrats on the mission thus far.
This is what those "real" people are without IRL consequences.
Not really. In real life there are folks who, at least occasionally, can be reasoned with whereas most of the trolls here come simply to be stains and draw some 'liberal tears'.
An example:
One of my best friends for the past 30 years or so was brought up in a real capital "F" Fascist family in Rome. His mother had been presented to Mussolini by her parents.
One day I asked him about all the small scars on part of his face. He told me it was from the street fights between roving gangs of fascist kids/teens and communist kids/teens who were constantly clashing. .
We spent decades debating politics and social issues.
Today he's a Canadian citizen who married a somewhat liberal Canadian woman and tends to vote NDP (them being the kinda socialist party here in B.C.). When we first met in in the late 70s he was still a pretty fascistic person in terms of his politics and some social issues. Nowadays he tends to give shit to some of his more right wing relatives back in Italy.
A funny aside, his family is pretty much split down the middle between fascists and communists. It's an interesting family and I've been lucky enough to meet members from both sides.
That's because IRL there are many matters of interest outside politics. For example, it became in his self-interest to identify with your politics instead as you two became closer over such other matters. Or iow, the latter were used as a social lever over fascism.
Sans such relationships outside politics here, there's no such leverage.
No. Sorry, you've taken an incredibly complex situation and reduced it so far as to be unrecognizable as to what actually happened.
And, fwiw, I won't bother to discuss the matter any further as I feel it would be pointless.
Those programs shouldn't help people in perpetuity. A percentage of people (not "number of people," because the people moving in and out of that percentage change constantly) will never earn enough money to not benefit from them. Is there a subset that will always be in poverty? Yes. Little can be done about that.Back at #751 you argued that such programs shouldn't help people in perpetuity when some do, like ACA subsidies & EITC. A huge number of people in this country will never earn enough money to not benefit from them.
As for the rest of it, so what? Strivers & innovators do what they do regardless of their personal income tax rates or taxes on their estates. The greediest squeal the loudest when the society that nurtured them wants something back.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...o-is-behind-the-push-to-repeal-the-estate-tax
I just placed an unhinged P&N member on ignore, a feature I am generally loathe to use, so I already know how to use it, tyvm. If you don't care for pointless bickering you apparently know how to use the ignore function. Engage, number one.If you don't know how to use the ignore function, that's on you. I'm talking about people engaging in discourse. If you want to spend more time on noise than signal, own it. Yeah, noise. That's how I describe anyone not contributing, including the pages of pointless bickering.
As for your Job Creators argument... you gotta be kidding right? Data > anecdotes.
I won't bother reading your tripe anymore in here. You've proven you're a racist pos, all while futilely trying to accuse me of being a racist by employing a lame, pathetic argument that completely ignores the facts I posted about the term "welfare queen."No, @jackstar7 is entirely correct. As a typical worthless degenerate, you predictably ignore any serious arguments, such as math no matter how simple: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...blic-assistance.2507863/page-14#post-38946281
The only reason why you're still mindlessly parroting GOP talking points here no matter what is said to you is due to a friendly group of liberals who insist you're not a complete piece of shit.
I've already addressed that argument in this thread.Just remember, kids. Anything ever done, unless it's 99.99% perfect, isn't worth doing.
Those programs shouldn't help people in perpetuity. A percentage of people (not "number of people," because the people moving in and out of that percentage change constantly) will never earn enough money to not benefit from them. Is there a subset that will always be in poverty? Yes. Little can be done about that.
btw, that percentage has changed little from the mid-60s, when there was a precipitous drop from the percentage of Americans in poverty. Despite changes in tax laws over the years, and boom or bust economies, things simply haven't changed that much on the poverty level, by percentage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pover...Poverty_Rate_1959_to_2011._United_States..PNG
As far as strivers & innovators, what they can do is based on the capital they have available. When you start eroding their capital you erode their business ventures. Those "greedy" people often pay the most in taxes as well, by far, and contribute the most to society economically, but people like you want to squeeze them even harder, all over what appears to be some irrational jealousy and hatred of them allegedly not being worthy.
I posted the top 400 list. Feel free to point out how those people aren't worthy, or how their contributions to society and economics have no value and screw everyone over. btw, I expect your list to include a significant number of them, and not just one or two, because your bitch is about the "rich" as if they are all in cahoots and guilty. So back up your claim with some specifics.
You made claims about social programs, like SNAP, not being for poor people. I've shown that people who qualify for programs like SNAP must be at the defined poverty level or below. So you really haven't shown anything repeatedly, despite your insistence otherwise.Social programs aren't just for poor people any more, as I've shown repeatedly. They're necessary for a lot of low wage people to help them avoid poverty. That's due to the profound shift in national income I pointed out earlier.
Conservatives pine for the yewstabees, not realizing what really was different before we fell into the trickle down economics trap. It's not like we'll be bringing in back strong unions, heavily regulations for industries like trucking, airlines & media companies once were or that the labor glut created by offshoring & automation will cease. We won't be putting up significant trade barriers, either, despite Trumpian ravings. Those things are gone.
If we want to restore the relative affluence enjoyed by the lower 75% of working Americans we'll need some other way to do it. Taxes & redistribution are the only way to do so. In the real world, anyway, maybe not in the land where the Job Creator delusion prevails.
The rest? Just your usual obfuscation. Repubs are seeking to substantially cut taxes on the wealthy in a variety of ways that will prevent what really has become necessary redistribution. It's not like members of the Koch network & others like them need you white knighting for them, anyway- they already own the Repub party leadership.
Just remember, kids. Anything ever done, unless it's 99.99% perfect, isn't worth doing.
/golf clapIt's true. It's true. Never accept less than perfection.
Do all of the people on that list create jobs? Because that's what you're implying. While what I was implying is that a couple of them creating jobs doesn't equate to enough jobs to make a marked difference to the country. I'm sure there are more jobs at brokerage firms because of them as a whole, but coal miners aren't going to fill those positions.And are you actually arguing that the people on the Forbes 400 list don't create jobs? That seems like a really, really ignorant argument.