I get conservative guys point about public assistance

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Yeah, that's why I used the word "tentatively".

Wasn't there a Founding Father quote, that basically said as much, that if the voting public figures out it can vote itself a share of the treasury, that that might be the end of the Republic, or something like that?

Would UBI mean the end of our grand experiment? If so, I would certainly vote against it.

I was basically speaking of the advantages of that sort of system, personally, as I would be allowed to work, and still collect a minimum Disability check.

On the whole though, if everyone was "on the dole" so to speak, and there was nobody left working, that doesn't seem like it would work out too well.

Then again, the Federal personal income tax wasn't a thing for quite some time; from what I understand, the Federal gov't was funded by imposts (imports?) and excises (?) - basically, customs taxes.

The thought of ONLY taxing "rich corporations", to provide money for the economy and persons (citizens, only) living in this country, doesn't seem totally far-fetched, either, in a time of maximal automation.

Edit: I don't subscribe to the FARCE, that corporations are "people". The are machines. Money machines. Workhorses, to be sure, but you don't have to treat them "humanely", because they aren't humans.


I don't consider myself a liberal or conservative, I try to keep an open mind, to find solutions for society's problems.
I think many would like to find solutions for society's problems. But the simple fact is that there is no solution. Even if we could isolate all of the cheaters we would still have a society of cheaters on both sides. That's how things work today and will probably work tomorrow.

Here is the fact about life and economics. They will never be the same for everyone and people will never be equal. It's an unfortunate fact, but it is reality.
 
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You must be standing on some kind of moral magnet, because your compass spins.
You know what? You make some of the most useless post of anyone in here. You never, ever really say anything. You rarely ever make statements of fact or post links that support anything you state, because you never state anything of substance.

iow, you only exist to stir up shit, which means that shit is your thing. So keep existing in shit. It only serves to make you a tool of shit.
 

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Here is the fact about life and economics. They will never be the same for everyone and people will never be equal. It's an unfortunate fact, but it is reality.
I'm not really asking for people to "be equal", just that there not be a DIS-incentive to working, for people on (chronic) Disability claims.

I mean, I am allowed to work, up to like $700/mo, before I lose my check, but if I did, then I'd lose my health insurance. Which would cost me more, than I would gain from working.
 

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You know what? You make some of the most useless post of anyone in here. You never, ever really say anything. You rarely ever make statements of fact or post links that support anything you state, because you never state anything of substance.

iow, you only exist to stir up shit, which means that shit is your thing. So keep existing in shit. It only serves to make you a tool of shit.

Austim speaks.
 
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What a surprise; more delusions from you. I've had no trouble with you whatsoever and you're about the simplest concept in here. In fact, you've been an absolute breeze, and still continue to be one.

/mic drop

Sure, insecure trailer trash who write like you are the Real brain trust.

A key skill taught college students is when faced with unfamiliar/challenging material to ponder it instead of accusing the author of insobriety as all you & trash buddies are inclined. Without this basic trait it's difficult to imagine anyone with much of any success in higher ed.

Austim speaks.

No, more like dunning kruger posterchild.
 

JSt0rm

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I'm not really asking for people to "be equal", just that there not be a DIS-incentive to working, for people on (chronic) Disability claims.

I mean, I am allowed to work, up to like $700/mo, before I lose my check, but if I did, then I'd lose my health insurance. Which would cost me more, than I would gain from working.

if only we had single payer healthcare.
 

jackstar7

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You know what? You make some of the most useless post of anyone in here. You never, ever really say anything. You rarely ever make statements of fact or post links that support anything you state, because you never state anything of substance.

iow, you only exist to stir up shit, which means that shit is your thing. So keep existing in shit. It only serves to make you a tool of shit.

You can feel free to check my history and see if it agrees with your assessment. Here's a sneak-peek: it doesn't.

But hey, best of luck to you. Just like the radio, you can feel free to tune me out.
 
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I'm not really asking for people to "be equal", just that there not be a DIS-incentive to working, for people on (chronic) Disability claims.

I mean, I am allowed to work, up to like $700/mo, before I lose my check, but if I did, then I'd lose my health insurance. Which would cost me more, than I would gain from working.
You can probably blame the cheaters of the system for that limitation.

Cheaters and thieves of government programs screw up things for many, not just those on disability.
 
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Sure, insecure trailer trash who write like you are the Real brain trust.

A key skill taught college students is when faced with unfamiliar/challenging material to ponder it instead of accusing the author of insobriety as all you & trash buddies are inclined. Without this basic trait it's difficult to imagine anyone with much of any success in higher ed.

No, more like dunning kruger posterchild.
iow, you ARE a college boy who thinks he (or she) knows better than everyone else. Thanks for the verification and...LOL I was right. You could have just admitted it.

btw, I don't need any validation from higher ed. My life has already been a success and I am very happy with the results, because I've been around for a long time, while you seemingly haven't. Apparently, you are struggling for validation and are pissed about your lot in life.

That's the difference between you and me.
 
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You can feel free to check my history and see if it agrees with your assessment. Here's a sneak-peek: it doesn't.

But hey, best of luck to you. Just like the radio, you can feel free to tune me out.
I've looked at your replies to me, which consists of single words or incomplete sentences. It almost seems as if you're afraid to actually provide any sort of substantive reply when I post.

But, hey, I understand. It's OK. Fear is the mind killer.
 

UberNeuman

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I've looked at your replies to me, which consists of single words or incomplete sentences. It almost seems as if you're afraid to actually provide any sort of substantive reply when I post.

But, hey, I understand. It's OK. Fear is the mind killer.

What joy do you get out of life. Going out? Vacations with the family? Anything at all? Because it's painfully clear that this is your only outlet.....
 
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What joy do you get out of life. Going out? Vacations with the family? Anything at all? Because it's painfully clear that this is your only outlet.....
I get joy out of pissing you off.

Clearly I have been a complete success in that realm, based on your replies.

Damn, aren't you an angry boy?
 

UberNeuman

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I get joy out of pissing you off.

Clearly I have been a complete success in that realm, based on your replies.

Damn, aren't you an angry boy?


Sir. You're hurting. It's clear and there's not one damn thing I can say to alivate it. I only hope that some day you can step away from the darkness that has your heart.
 
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Sir. You're hurting. It's clear and there's not one damn thing I can say to alivate it. I only hope that some day you can step away from the darkness that has your heart.
lol. Now you think you're Moonie?

I laugh at him (or her) and I laugh at you too. Just like AgentOaf, you don't have the first clue about me and both of you swing mightily and miss even mightily more in the process.

So much amusement.
 

UberNeuman

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lol. Now you think you're Moonie?

I laugh at him (or her) and I laugh at you too. Just like AgentOaf, you don't have the first clue about me and both of you swing mightily and miss even mightily more in the process.

So much amusement.

and that's okay. It's fine. That you feel the need to reply speaks volumes....
 
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ah, Christ, the more you fight the more apparent it is that something is gnawing away at your soul...
And there we have it. The REAL basis of the left.

'How DARE you reply to me? I am superior and you are NOTHING!'

Sorry, I don't subscribe to that elitist bullshit.

Seriously, try adopting an attitude that doesn't require acting like a douche. It might be severely difficult for you, but give it a shot.
 

agent00f

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iow, you ARE a college boy who thinks he (or she) knows better than everyone else. Thanks for the verification and...LOL I was right. You could have just admitted it.

btw, I don't need any validation from higher ed. My life has already been a success and I am very happy with the results, because I've been around for a long time, while you seemingly haven't. Apparently, you are struggling for validation and are pissed about your lot in life.

That's the difference between you and me.

It's just simple fact that educated people know better than insecure trash with insurmountable shoulder chips.

haha. Seriously? "Your mom!" That's what you have?

What a douche. Alky?

Besides that, it's so far from the truth it's not even funny.

Go ask @Moonbeam how the meanies are mocking you both.
 

UberNeuman

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And there we have it. The REAL basis of the left.

'How DARE you reply to me? I am superior and you are NOTHING!'

Sorry, I don't subscribe to that elitist bullshit.

Seriously, try adopting an attitude that doesn't require acting like a douche. It might be severely difficult for you, but give it a shot.

I'm not "superior" and I'm "nothing." I do see a person in pain. We are fellow travelers. What pain in your life drives you?
 
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