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Howard

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Searzall looks like lot of work moving that small wimpy torch around. And you have to move it around for minutes at a time. I'll stick with cast iron pan on a stove.

I have a roofing torch I could use. I should test it. The roofing torch puts out serious flame. I could set the steaks on my Weber grill and torch it with the roofing torch.
Not all of us can deal with the splattering oil and smoke.
 

notposting

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Not all of us can deal with the splattering oil and smoke.



Alternate way of looking at it: why should we? Get it cleaner and equally if not higher quality?



This thread is probably due for the quarterly Luddite invasion
 

Kaido

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Not all of us can deal with the splattering oil and smoke.

Yeah, that's my problem - I can't cook meat with cast iron indoors because it smokes my place out, and I have zero outside ventilation in my kitchen. Searzall looks like a nice possible indoor option.
 

notposting

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Update: been playing with the Anova(s) and Searzall lately. Still mostly in the experimenting stage at this point (and documenting). Bagging technique getting better. Wading through information available on the internet of course.

And refining the kitchen blowtorching technique I should probably record a video just for this thread. But yeah, pre-searing, and the close in, double pass method, definitely work, and work well. (And work quickly). No smoking hot pan, a LOT more control.
 

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Another update that basically just confirms things already known:

Had the in-laws over for a couple stints over the holidays. They don't eat much beef in particular anymore due to their teeth (or mostly lack thereof) situation.

So I did a simple 30 hour flank steak roast the first go around. Super tender, pre-seared with Searzall of course, and then finished and served with a simple compound butter and some sides.

[We of course hauled them off to the Henry Ford Museum, have two grandsons for them, and had first and last crack at this holiday season of one-upmanship. In between visits, the wife's sister and her man took them to the DIA, shelled out for a tenderloin (I'm guessing center-cut) but just have one granddaughter for them. So yeah. /hip-thrust]

So for the second go round had some thick NY strips and set theirs in for 10 hours. Boom!

Also, they mentioned the flank steak was as tender, if not more so, than the tenderloin. Wife's dad was planning to play with his Raspberry Pi and work on rigging up his own controller just because he was so impressed with the whole idea (and liked being able to actually enjoy a nice steak again).

Definitely need a vacuum sealer for some of the cuts I want cooking longer now. And a mini fridge for dry aging my own. Yeah.

I got the crazy look again from the wife.
 

Kaido

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Update: been playing with the Anova(s) and Searzall lately. Still mostly in the experimenting stage at this point (and documenting). Bagging technique getting better. Wading through information available on the internet of course.

And refining the kitchen blowtorching technique I should probably record a video just for this thread. But yeah, pre-searing, and the close in, double pass method, definitely work, and work well. (And work quickly). No smoking hot pan, a LOT more control.

Hmm, I hadn't considered pre-searing. My Instant Pot (electric pressure cooker) has a very basic sous vide setup (+/- 1C) that I have yet to try; it also has a saute feature, which works really well for browning stuff before I pressure cook it, which would probably also work well for a pre-sear until I invest in a Searzall.
 

Kaido

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Definitely need a vacuum sealer for some of the cuts I want cooking longer now.

I have an old Foodsaver I inherited from my mom, I use it all the time - I use the cheaper commercial-grade (heavier-duty) bags from eBay, as well as a mason jar sealer. Works great, just takes up a bunch of room with the little bagging roller attachment
 

Howard

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Hmm, I hadn't considered pre-searing. My Instant Pot (electric pressure cooker) has a very basic sous vide setup (+/- 1C) that I have yet to try; it also has a saute feature, which works really well for browning stuff before I pressure cook it, which would probably also work well for a pre-sear until I invest in a Searzall.
Dave Arnold espouses pre-searing. He names a few benefits like getting an enhanced post-sear but I also find that it helps keep the shape of the meat, especially under vacuum.
 

momeNt

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I'm searing on cast iron or stainless steel and it only smoked initially as I learned the stove settings each of my different fats needed to be at to avoid smoking.

I dont believe that cooking oils should be smoke, it makes it taste worse and starts with the whole free radicals business. You figure if you smoke butter it turns black and smells horrible and smokes up real bad, but if you learn to just get it brown, no smoke and a nice flavor.

Oil spitting back seems to be almost nonexistent with sous-vide meat. Definitely is an issue if you cook from raw though, no matter how well you pat the meat dry.
 

Howard

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I'm searing on cast iron or stainless steel and it only smoked initially as I learned the stove settings each of my different fats needed to be at to avoid smoking.

I dont believe that cooking oils should be smoke, it makes it taste worse and starts with the whole free radicals business. You figure if you smoke butter it turns black and smells horrible and smokes up real bad, but if you learn to just get it brown, no smoke and a nice flavor.

Oil spitting back seems to be almost nonexistent with sous-vide meat. Definitely is an issue if you cook from raw though, no matter how well you pat the meat dry.
When searing, the heat should be as high as possible so as not to overcook the interior of the meat, especially if you've gone to the trouble of cooking it sous vide. If you're searing on a pan and nothing is smoking or splattering, I daresay you're shortchanging yourself of the benefits of sous vide.
 

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I dont believe that cooking oils should be smoke, it makes it taste worse and starts with the whole free radicals business. You figure if you smoke butter it turns black and smells horrible and smokes up real bad, but if you learn to just get it brown, no smoke and a nice flavor.

To get the full benefit and taste from a steak you do want a lot of heat. What is important is fat selection. You mention butter, but butter burns before it's smoke point is reached because butter isn't just fat but contains other things which need to be removed. Highly clarified butter, also known as ghee, has an extremely high smoke point, up to 485F from what I've found. Is smoke bad? I suspect everything is, however the phenomenon of wok hei is dependent on a lot of heat. I don't think you can duplicate it on the overwhelming majority of burners found in the home, but I easily achieve it out of doors on a very high BTU burner with ease. Likewise, your steaks benefit as Howard describes. "Just browning" as you describe does not give the best result.

Now only if it would warm up. I have a perfect piece of pork belly to roast that I'd like to use for fried rice, but that requires lots of heat again and with temps being 10F or so that isn't something I care to do at the moment.
 

Howard

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To get the full benefit and taste from a steak you do want a lot of heat. What is important is fat selection. You mention butter, but butter burns before it's smoke point is reached because butter isn't just fat but contains other things which need to be removed. Highly clarified butter, also known as ghee, has an extremely high smoke point, up to 485F from what I've found. Is smoke bad? I suspect everything is, however the phenomenon of wok hei is dependent on a lot of heat. I don't think you can duplicate it on the overwhelming majority of burners found in the home, but I easily achieve it out of doors on a very high BTU burner with ease. Likewise, your steaks benefit as Howard describes. "Just browning" as you describe does not give the best result.

Now only if it would warm up. I have a perfect piece of pork belly to roast that I'd like to use for fried rice, but that requires lots of heat again and with temps being 10F or so that isn't something I care to do at the moment.
Just make siu yook out of it. The small pieces you would require for fried rice kind of make it pointless to use pork belly anyhow.

This is an awesome thread to read in full:

http://forums.egullet.org/topic/108508-siu-yook-roast-pork-belly/

What I would probably do is sous vide the meat first until it is tender, prior to actually pouring over the boiling water on the skid. Just keep in mind that siu yook is better eaten with a bit of tooth to the meat, as opposed to the usual goal of "as liquidly tender as possible" with sous vide; perhaps a trial piece at 160F for 8 hours would be in order?. It then gets the vodka treatment. Baking powder might also enhance the crisping of the skin (see below):

http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/02/...icken-wings-in-oven-not-fried-appetizers.html

I think, however, that air drying the skin isn't necessary as the boiling water/vodka steps should take care of dehydrating the skin.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Thanks Howard, I'll have a close look at that. BTW I should have said I was going to use some of the char siu for the fried rice assuming any leftover, but there rarely is. I have quite a bit though so there's a good chance some will be this time. I know some would stone me if I used it in fried rice to begin with but such is life.

The rice itself takes some heat and I wasn't very clear- that's what I was thinking about. IMO it needs that "toasty" quality.
 

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When searing, the heat should be as high as possible so as not to overcook the interior of the meat, especially if you've gone to the trouble of cooking it sous vide. If you're searing on a pan and nothing is smoking or splattering, I daresay you're shortchanging yourself of the benefits of sous vide.

I might be shortchanging myself on the sear, i'm definitely not overcooking it.

The few I have tried were really flat on each side tenderloins so it was easy to get what i consider good color very quickly. Not steakhouse style sear or char but good good enough to make me go yum.

I'll try some with a hotter pan and my safflower oil and see how it goes. I don't like using safflower oil on my stainless pan because it burns the sides of it and its a bitch to scrape out, but on my CI pan it should be no trouble at all.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Stainless isn't great for searing steak. I had the problem of oil polymerizing when making fries once and it was a bear to clean. I should have used the dutch oven or now my round bottom wok. Lesson was learned
 

Kaido

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GE's new sensor turns induction cooktops into compact Sous Vide machines:

http://gizmodo.com/ges-new-sensor-turns-induction-cooktops-into-compact-so-1679704510

GE has just announced a trio of new induction cooktops in the company's Monogram, Profile, and Café lines that wirelessly connect to a new sous vide sensor so that the burner regulates the heat of the water in a pot while all the probe has to do is monitor its temperature.

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the probe itself, which attaches to the side of almost any adequately-sized pot, isn't some monstrous accessory that's a pain to store when you're not using it. And with wireless functionality that will eventually connect to an accompanying app, you don't actually have to be in your kitchen to keep an eye on or adjust the settings of a long hot water bath.

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. The sous vide probe will be pretty reasonable at $150 once it's available come May, but it only works in conjunction with GE's new touchscreen induction cooktops that range in price from $1,500 to $3,100 depending on their finish and features. So if you're planning on upgrading your kitchen that's already got a spot for a dedicated cooktop, these certainly seem worth considering.

Nice option if you're considering a new stove. However, I got a flat-top from Home Depot last year to replace my old stove for like $550, so for a base price of $1500 for a sous-vide-enabled GE stove (plus another $150 for the wireless device), you could buy an Anova, a Searzall, and still have money left to fly to Florida
 

slayer202

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certainly doesn't make sense to get one of those unless space/size is REALLY REALLY important. can't imagine it can regulate temperature as well as a standalone device
 

Kaido

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Probably won't have any torch taste after that

hehehe

It's a fun toy. Beyond that, I dunno. For starters, it's expensive ($75 Searzall + $65 Torch + $5 16.4oz propane tank = $145). Second, it takes a really long time...at least 2 minutes per side for one steak, so really about 5 minutes total. So it's not good for large quantities of food, when you could just throw it under the broiler & be done with it. The Searzall just gives you more control, so you get more even coverage & don't risk easily burning the food. Plus it's just fun to play with a giant fiery torch
 

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Plus it's just fun to play with a giant fiery torch

Half the reason I enjoy startling people with the Searzall.

"Hey what are you abo- OH MY GOD"

Also, for quantity, I think the Searzall does need some planning -- a good roast that you slice down is great. Did some short ribs last week but only seared "top" and "bottom". I also butted them together so I was getting multiple ones at once. Pre-searing, making sure meat is dry/lightly oiled, all important things just like in regular cooking. Chicken skin goes fast. The fine control is good for things like a large batch of toasting (buns, muffins, etc) also - the broiler singlehandedly chats more bread than I can count.

A good pre-sear, dried, lightly oiled, and in close and it will go pretty quick.
 
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