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Matthias99

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: rbV5
Tip;

The "easiest" to play casino games (slots) have the worse pay-outs.

Better tip:

The odds favor the house in all games and if you play you WILL lose. The second you walked in the door you proved that you're an idiot. Take a $200 lesson and don't ever go back.

Depends. If you treat it as (relatively) cheap entertainment that sometimes lets you leave with more money than you started with, and play with disposable income, it's no worse than a lot of other things. And you get free drinks!

If you're expecting to make money consistently, you have a few choices:

1) Find video poker machines with >100% payback (they're rare these days, but can be found.) Play them perfectly. Variance is very high (most of the EV comes from quads and royal flushes, which you can go thousands of hands without hitting), but you will make money over time. Comps can help.

2) Count cards at blackjack, preferably single-deck with favorable rules. The variance is still very high (Stanford Wong's 'Professional Blackjack' gives estimates like $25 +-$400 per hour for +EV play and making $25-$100 bets), but you can make money over time. However, if you get really good and play a lot, the casinos may bar you or do things to make your play difficult (like shuffling every few hands).

3) Play poker. Since you're not playing against the house, you can actually win consistently. Although beating the rake at low limits is really really hard, and you need a sizable bankroll to play higher-limit games (and, of course, you'll be up against much tougher competition in the high-limit games, so you'll need to be very good to win consistently.)
 

mpitts

Lifer
Jun 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: rbV5
Tip;

The "easiest" to play casino games (slots) have the worse pay-outs.

Better tip:

The odds favor the house in all games and if you play you WILL lose. The second you walked in the door you proved that you're an idiot. Take a $200 lesson and don't ever go back.

What if you walked in to play poker?
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: rbV5
Tip;

The "easiest" to play casino games (slots) have the worse pay-outs.

Better tip:

The odds favor the house in all games and if you play you WILL lose. The second you walked in the door you proved that you're an idiot. Take a $200 lesson and don't ever go back.

thats good advice if you cant control yourself. (ie: ATM withdraws after you go broke.)

for me, i view gambling as entertainment, much like watching a movie or going to a strip club.

any $ i gamble with i dont need, and i'm not going to miss.
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: rbV5
Tip;

The "easiest" to play casino games (slots) have the worse pay-outs.

Better tip:

The odds favor the house in all games and if you play you WILL lose. The second you walked in the door you proved that you're an idiot. Take a $200 lesson and don't ever go back.

1) Find video poker machines with >100% payback (they're rare these days, but can be found.) Play them perfectly. Variance is very high (most of the EV comes from quads and royal flushes, which you can go thousands of hands without hitting), but you will make money over time. Comps can help.

2) And you get free drinks!

The variance on the +EV Dueces Wild video poker is maddening. i went thru $100 on the $0.25 single line machine in like 5 minutes. like i said above, if u dont hit those quads to keep you up float, you're dead. in the long run you can make about $5/hr + comps. but i'm not the type of person that likes to sit there for 8hrs at a time. feels like a job to me. and expecailly not when i;m in Vegas with friends.

I like 9/6 jacks or better. sure it's -0.5% EV, but I last longer because of lower variance and I have more fun since i'm not always reaching into my wallet to reload. (Going broke makes me unhappy. )

edit:
and drinking ALOT while gambling makes you lose your $ faster, and you have a less of a chance to remember the enjoyment you had while gambling
 

bluestrobe

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Aug 15, 2004
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Originally posted by: Matthias99
2) Count cards at blackjack, preferably single-deck with favorable rules. The variance is still very high (Stanford Wong's 'Professional Blackjack' gives estimates like $25 +-$400 per hour for +EV play and making $25-$100 bets), but you can make money over time. However, if you get really good and play a lot, the casinos may bar you or do things to make your play difficult (like shuffling every few hands).

The true average is about $12 an hour with the unit (minimum bet placed) being $100 unless you get lucky and hit a good shoe then your hourly average. Counting cards is a dieing art since casinos and their surveillance departments have the tools to track new counters and counters that are casino hopping. Although some people think it's cool and economical to do, I have seen counters barred from casinos or backed off the tables in less than 4 hours from the time they start playing. Also counting cards requires a large bankroll since counting cards does have it's losses along with positives.
 
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
My wife and I each brought $40 to a Casino once - I was flat broke before the waitress brought my first drink. My wife played for the next 3 hours.

But isn't that the beauty of the casino... even when you're broke, you can still drink for free :beer:



I've been to Vegas twice. The first time I hit the slots... I took my $10 in quarters and after two hours I was up 75 cents. (Playing slots is like posting on ATOT... you sit down and the next thing you know two hours have passed)

Then I learned a valuable lesson. If you buy a roll of quarters, you get a free drink. So I spent the next couple hours like this: Buy a roll of quarters... drink a beer... take quarters to cashier... change for $10 bill... back to the bar to buy another roll of quarters... free drink...

Then I played video poker (conveniently embedded in the bar). Four hands later I hit a straight flush, won $60 and went back to my hotel room with a giant cup of quarters.

I don't understand Vegas.

 

PeeluckyDuckee

Diamond Member
Feb 21, 2001
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Or make large changes when the pit boss notices, then stash most of it away and just sit at the bacarrat table and make a $5 bet every once in a while. Sit long enough and he'll come back to take note of your bankroll and you can ask for a comp for a dinner meal at a restaurant or at buffet. Get yourself a regular casino VIP card if you go often. Plus free drinks of course!

But remember all that time you're there doing nothing, you are sucking in second hand smoke!




 

Firebot

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Jul 10, 2005
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It's all about no limit hold em when it comes to the casino. Why play a game where the odds are in favour of the house when you can make your own odds?

Of course that is unless you suck at poker, then 2 cent slot machines is saving you money!
 

Unheard

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Jan 5, 2003
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If it makes you feel any better, when I was in Detroit, I won $150 on the nickel slots.
 
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