I got the Holy Ghost today!!!!!

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: steph30

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: steph30

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Personally, I think it's all a bunch of horse puckey, and I think Tinkerhell brings up a lot of very intelligent points.

FelixDeKat: Tinkerhell's disbelief is not "truth", it is simply the non-acceptance of the decisions of fallible people as listed in her previous post:

325 A.D.
First General Council at Nicea, declared that the Son was from the beginning of the same nature as the Father.

381 A.D.
Second General Council at Constantinople, declared that the Holy Spirit was to be worshipped with the Father and the Son.

431 A.D.
Third General Council at Ephesus, decreed that Jesus had two natures, a human and a divine; also that Mary was the "mother of God", in opposition to those who maintained that she was the "mother of Christ".

451 A.D.
Fifth General Council at Chalcedon, decreed that the two natures in Christ constituted only one Person and one will.

So just because these people declared you MUST believe in these terms, makes it true? I suppose these people got these terms from God...

You have chosen to believe what people have told you to be true, and arbitrarily call it "truth".

Exactly. C'mon people, think for yourself.

At the same time, it is important to realize some people do think for themselves, and still decide to believe, for better or for worse. Makes life a little more exciting sometimes.

But do these people check out other options. Do they educate themselves about science, about the nature of atheism, about Buddhism, about every other religion and belief out there? I don't think someone should close their mind to all the other possibilities out there. If you do, how can life be exciting?

While I don't necessarily agree with everything that Tinkerhell has posted, I have to agree with her on this point. Everyone needs to try and be enlighted to all possibilities. But, at the same time, we have to be open minded enough to realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if we don't agree. This is where spiritual growth comes into play and we all learn about ourselves from it.

Everyone has different life experiences and these experiences are a HUGE factor in how we feel about things (especially of this nature).


steph30

I'm openminded to all beliefs. You may sit here and think I'm not. But I'm just trying to give you all something to think about. You know, maybe there's something out there besides whats inside a Christian bubble. I have studied some aspects of Christianity, and find myself quite impressed by what some Christians do: those who follow what Jesus did and do good for others. I'm not trying to sound like a Christian-basher, I'm just trying to let people see that perhaps their beliefs should be questioned and they should embrace new ideas.

Honestly, I admire anyone that has the conviction to show someone how they feel about things (especially in such a heartfelt topic as this). When you talk about a Christian bubble, I agree 100%. There are a huge number of people that are completely unwilling to look outside the glass.

I have 2 very close friends who are atheist. This goes completely against what I feel and believe, but I have a huge amount of respect for them in that I feel they are believing what is right for them. Who am I to judge? I haven't walked in their shoes so we all agree to be open to our own beliefs. But, we do have some fantastic debates when we grill on the weekends..lol The one thing we all agree on is this...our differences of opinion, that we frequently debate, make all of us more enlightened in the end.

steph30

We are all different. Thats what makes us individuals. What's life without a little debate. I just like to give people something to think about. I admire strength in people who believe strongly in their views. Believe it or not, I admire those in this thread who firmly believe in God and the Christian religion. They are determined, whats not to admire? But I like to shake things up a bit.

 

[IndieSnob]

I love threads like these. It really points out the people who have no basis in reality.

 

[Kenazo]

I fear we have completely run away with this guy's thread. Oh well. It's been fun.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
I love threads like these. It really points out the people who have no basis in reality.

Who here has no basis in reality?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
I love threads like these. It really points out the people who have no basis in reality.

Who here has no basis in reality?

Don't tell me we're going to have to start defining "reality"...

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
I love threads like these. It really points out the people who have no basis in reality.

Who here has no basis in reality?

Don't tell me we're going to have to start defining "reality"...

Maybe another night

 

[FreakyOCR]

It's one of those "you have to experience to understand" things.

Really, even for Christians we think they are loonies until we experience it. And most Christians don't want to be considered a loony so they avoid it at all costs.

I know what he's talking about. Tongues is quite common. Laugh joke, whatever.

I'm not sure why you go posting it on ATOT without expecting the ensuing wildfire.. I mean really. Cool that he's not hiding it but people can't get that "loony" first impression out of their heads. At least not very easily.

Oh well. God's my life, but for some reason what everybody else thinks makes me want to shove it under the mat. It wouldn't be your sarcasm or the fact that you poke fun would it?

How many nerd girl encounter stories have we heard? Yeah people poke fun there too but still... People will poke if you give them a stick...

edit: can't spwell

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Kenazo
Yet the Jews themselves search for a Messiah? Look at the narratives of Jesus' trial before the high priest (assuming first that it is an accurate account).

Yes, Jews wait for a Messiah, but no Jews ascribe any sort of divinity to him. He may be Gods chosen messenger but he's not a divine being himself. That would blasphemy in Judaism.

The High priest was questioning weither Jesus was the Christ, who was the Son of hte Blessed One. Thus, there must have been some notion in the Jewish faith that God would send a son, or this wouldn't have been a big deal.

Consider your source. Mark 14. Written by Christians. You can't question the Jewish faith from a book that they don't believe in.

 

[Atomicus]

Not to bash, but receiving the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues is nothing compared to producing fruit through missionary work

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Tinkerhell
And I wouldn't call it disbelief. Its open-mindedness.

Something you people should try.

I didn't say there is no God. I don't know and neither do you. I'm openminded to stray from what society teaches us is correct.

Ive witnessed God. Ive seen the eye of God several times in my life. Ive heard his angels speak to me. You dont know and you dont care. When I pray, He hears me. His angles protect me. There are good and bad angels. Family members who are in Heaven and others that do satans bidding. There is a war going on everyday between good and evil. Recognize.

Did God or his Angels tell you to be a troll?

 

[bobbybe01]

Consider your source. Mark 14. Written by Christians. You can't question the Jewish faith from a book that they don't believe in.

Does Isaiah and other Old Testament prophecies ring a bell to you? I think they were Jews.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Consider your source. Mark 14. Written by Christians. You can't question the Jewish faith from a book that they don't believe in.

Does Isaiah and other Old Testament prophecies ring a bell to you? I think they were Jews.

Sure they do. Please show me where it ascribes divininty to a Messiah in Isaiah.

 

[bobbybe01]

Are you a Jew?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Are you a Jew?

Yes, but that's beside the point.

 

[Gurck]

This whole thread is :disgust: ... Anyone else think either 1) P&N should be renamed P, N & R? or 2) AT needs a religion forum?

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Gurck
This whole thread is :disgust: ... Anyone else think either 1) P&N should be renamed P, N & R? or 2) AT needs a religion forum?

Don't come in here

 

[Gurck]

Yessir :roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gurck
This whole thread is :disgust: ... Anyone else think either 1) P&N should be renamed P, N & R? or 2) AT needs a religion forum?

No way, there are already enough Fund A Mental Cases at P&N as it is!

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Not to bash, but receiving the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues is nothing compared to producing fruit through missionary work

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but although missionaries have good intentions, there is nothing worse then someone going to a country and shoving their religion down someone's throat because they want to 'save their soul'.

One thing I have always respected about Judaism (my mother is a Jew), they have never in history tried to shove their religion down people's throat.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Yessir :roll:

thats yes ma'am

If you don't like reading about religion, why do you come in here? If I see a thread about something I don't like, I stay out.

 

[Gurck]

I just made a constructive suggestion about AT's forum layout, didn't mean to offend anyone. Terribly sorry, next time I'll try my best to conform

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Consider your source. Mark 14. Written by Christians. You can't question the Jewish faith from a book that they don't believe in.

Does Isaiah and other Old Testament prophecies ring a bell to you? I think they were Jews.

Sure they do. Please show me where it ascribes divininty to a Messiah in Isaiah.

This whole debate is pointless. Christ said it himself and so did the apostles. The Jews were promised a messiah who would come down and save them. They believed they would get a great king like they were told. One who would rule the earth and yadda yada yadda. They got Christ. He WILL do all these things. It's just he "saved" us in God's way not in the way the Jews were thinking (with an army taking over the world). Why did they believe that? Because God told them that's what would happen. However, the Christian faith says this IS what he'll do the second time he comes. Then the Jews will believe in Christ then whether they believe it's the same Christ or not is irrelevant. God said Jews are still his chosen ppl. Either way we're both "right"; the Jews (according to the Christian faith) just have to wait a little longer to have Christ come the way they thought he would. So no jew-christian debates here cause I'll call the bull, they're both "right" and it's all good. No matter which way you believe you have to accept the fact that the other faith is saved.

 

[bobbybe01]

This whole debate is pointless. Christ said it himself and so did the apostles. The Jews were promised a messiah who would come down and save them. They believed they would get a great king like they were told. One who would rule the earth and yadda yada yadda. They got Christ. He WILL do all these things. It's just he "saved" us in God's way not in the way the Jews were thinking (with an army taking over the world). Why did they believe that? Because God told them that's what would happen. However, the Christian faith says this IS what he'll do the second time he comes. Then the Jews will believe in Christ then whether they believe it's the same Christ or not is irrelevant. God said Jews are still his chosen ppl. Either way we're both "right"; the Jews (according to the Christian faith) just have to wait a little longer to have Christ come the way they thought he would. So no jew-christian debates here cause I'll call the bull, they're both "right" and it's all good. No matter which way you believe you have to accept the fact that the other faith is saved.

I agree with what was said. However...

Prepare....to....be....flamed.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Consider your source. Mark 14. Written by Christians. You can't question the Jewish faith from a book that they don't believe in.

Does Isaiah and other Old Testament prophecies ring a bell to you? I think they were Jews.

Sure they do. Please show me where it ascribes divininty to a Messiah in Isaiah.

This whole debate is pointless. Christ said it himself and so did the apostles. The Jews were promised a messiah who would come down and save them. They believed they would get a great king like they were told. One who would rule the earth and yadda yada yadda. They got Christ. He WILL do all these things. It's just he "saved" us in God's way not in the way the Jews were thinking (with an army taking over the world). Why did they believe that? Because God told them that's what would happen. However, the Christian faith says this IS what he'll do the second time he comes. Then the Jews will believe in Christ then whether they believe it's the same Christ or not is irrelevant. God said Jews are still his chosen ppl. Either way we're both "right"; the Jews (according to the Christian faith) just have to wait a little longer to have Christ come the way they thought he would. So no jew-christian debates here cause I'll call the bull, they're both "right" and it's all good. No matter which way you believe you have to accept the fact that the other faith is saved.

Hey man, I'm not trying to have a Jewish/Christian debate. These things have been debated for thousands of years by people alot smarter than you and I, with dismal results. Of course we're both right, he's right from the Christian prespective and I'm right from the Jewish prespective. I was just saying that you can't question the Jewish religion from a Christian source, it makes no sense. Believe what you want to believe about Jesus, and I'll believe what I want to believe about him.

 

[Tinkerhell]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Consider your source. Mark 14. Written by Christians. You can't question the Jewish faith from a book that they don't believe in.

Does Isaiah and other Old Testament prophecies ring a bell to you? I think they were Jews.

Sure they do. Please show me where it ascribes divininty to a Messiah in Isaiah.

This whole debate is pointless. Christ said it himself and so did the apostles. The Jews were promised a messiah who would come down and save them. They believed they would get a great king like they were told. One who would rule the earth and yadda yada yadda. They got Christ. He WILL do all these things. It's just he "saved" us in God's way not in the way the Jews were thinking (with an army taking over the world). Why did they believe that? Because God told them that's what would happen. However, the Christian faith says this IS what he'll do the second time he comes. Then the Jews will believe in Christ then whether they believe it's the same Christ or not is irrelevant. God said Jews are still his chosen ppl. Either way we're both "right"; the Jews (according to the Christian faith) just have to wait a little longer to have Christ come the way they thought he would. So no jew-christian debates here cause I'll call the bull, they're both "right" and it's all good. No matter which way you believe you have to accept the fact that the other faith is saved.

Interesting. And where is the proof that Jesus is the Messiah? If and when the Messiah comes for the Jewish people it will not be Jesus. If it were Jesus, what God said he was going to do would have happened. Just because the Christians decided to add "Oh, he'll be doing that the next time around" "We can modify religion anyway we choose to fit our needs" doesn't make it right.