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gorcorps

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Isn't it true that "American" Chinese food is frequently considered superior to "China" Chinese food (i.e. food made in China)?

Yes

American Chinese food is nothing like true Chinese food, because it's actually good.

When I was in Japan we went to a Chinese owned restaurant where they were just recreating their food to Japan (is what I was told). Wasn't good. It's entirely possible that it was just a bad restaurant in general and better made Chinese food is good, but it'll take a lot to convince me to try that again based on what I had.
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
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Yes

American Chinese food is nothing like true Chinese food, because it's actually good.

When I was in Japan we went to a Chinese owned restaurant where they were just recreating their food to Japan (is what I was told). Wasn't good. It's entirely possible that it was just a bad restaurant in general and better made Chinese food is good, but it'll take a lot to convince me to try that again based on what I had.

I had Chinese food In Bakersfield, enough said.
 

norseamd

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Yes American Chinese food is nothing like true Chinese food, because it's actually good. When I was in Japan we went to a Chinese owned restaurant where they were just recreating their food to Japan (is what I was told). Wasn't good. It's entirely possible that it was just a bad restaurant in general and better made Chinese food is good, but it'll take a lot to convince me to try that again based on what I had.

has every conrdog or frank or hamburger been the same to you? go directly to china and i promise to you that the food will have many different qualities. basic logic.
 

norseamd

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I'm not unwilling to eat at Pei Wei, I just haven't. I've never been impressed by PF Changs, so I've always assumed that Pei Wei was just more of the same. And to echo Quebert, I love the orange chicken at Panda Express.

my bad. i read that and understood your post after i already threw one up. i recommend going. food is better than panda express. panda express is not bad. i like getting the orange or mandarin chicken. it is just that it can be a hit or miss sometimes.

http://www.peiwei.com/Menu/menu.aspx

seems like they might have changed their menu. thought it looked bigger before. anyways see anything you like?
 

QueBert

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I would probably hate authentic Chinese food directly from China. I was blown away when a Chinese person told me in China they really don't eat Orange Chicken

WTF!
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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has every conrdog or frank or hamburger been the same to you? go directly to china and i promise to you that the food will have many different qualities. basic logic.

That's exactly what I said in my own post
 

jaedaliu

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Feb 25, 2005
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I would probably hate authentic Chinese food directly from China. I was blown away when a Chinese person told me in China they really don't eat Orange Chicken

WTF!

Orange chicken is a derivative of the French dish Duck L'orange or whatever it's called.

Fortune cookies are also from a flat french cookie.

and WTF is this crab/shrimp rangoon stuff? Rangoon was a city in Burma. Now it's called Yangoon and is in Myanmar. None of the above is Chinese, nor is the super popular side dish.
 

Childs

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Yes

American Chinese food is nothing like true Chinese food, because it's actually good.

When I was in Japan we went to a Chinese owned restaurant where they were just recreating their food to Japan (is what I was told). Wasn't good. It's entirely possible that it was just a bad restaurant in general and better made Chinese food is good, but it'll take a lot to convince me to try that again based on what I had.

They might have better foods to work with here than over there due to scarcity. Whenever I watch a traveling shows and they show Chinese food, it doesnt look good because they are eating insects, cats, reptiles, etc. Even in Japan, some of the ingredients we take for granted are expensive there. In most of the Chinese restaurants I go to the main cooks are from China (with maybe some Mexicans helping), so its not like "American" Chinese food isnt made by Chinese cooks.
 

dighn

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Isn't it true that "American" Chinese food is frequently considered superior to "China" Chinese food (i.e. food made in China)?

it's more complicated than that. authentic chinese food is very diverse, and the qualify can vary significantly depending on region, price point etc.

i would say average american chinese food is better than average authentic chinese food, but there are a lot more choices in the higher end for authentic chinese food (and i'm not even talking about high end here, just above fast food quality).

I would probably hate authentic Chinese food directly from China. I was blown away when a Chinese person told me in China they really don't eat Orange Chicken

WTF!

no general tso's either, or sweet & sour chicken, etc.
 
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Newell Steamer

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I'm OK with chopsticks.

As for Panda Express; the best Panda Express I've had was in Scottsdale AZ. In NYC and Las Vegas (the other two places I've had it) - have been pretty terrible.
 

Red Storm

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I personally don't see the point to chopsticks, a fork does a much better job and is easier to use.
 

NetWareHead

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Not in white people. That'd be like me saying your inability to play polo is a sign of poor breeding.

Not so sure of that. My family always stressed the proper way to hold silverware. To hold it properly when eating and not grip it like a chisel or some kind of tool. We're Italian and if you also don't know how to roll the fork when eating spaghetti and twirl it all into a nice and neat bite sized portion with no slurping, that's indicative of poor upbringing and education.
 

Red Storm

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Not so sure of that. My family always stressed the proper way to hold silverware. To hold it properly when eating and not grip it like a chisel or some kind of tool. We're Italian and if you also don't know how to roll the fork when eating spaghetti and twirl it all into a nice and neat bite sized portion with no slurping, that's indicative of poor upbringing and education.

And that is indicative of being a food/culture snob.
 

Phoenix86

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Orange chicken is a derivative of the French dish Duck L'orange or whatever it's called.

Fortune cookies are also from a flat french cookie.

and WTF is this crab/shrimp rangoon stuff? Rangoon was a city in Burma. Now it's called Yangoon and is in Myanmar. None of the above is Chinese, nor is the super popular side dish.
Interesting, I guess I'll just stick with General Tso's chicken.
 

jaedaliu

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Interesting, I guess I'll just stick with General Tso's chicken.

Yet another American creation =D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tso's_chicken

I served fancy Chinese food at my wedding. Then I went to a Cantonese style restaurant a few months ago and had their version of fancy Chinese food. Holy crap the food was weird. About half the people I was with were loving it. I just thought the dishes had excessive twists that made the dishes different, and a little worse.

Personally, I love Panda and their orange chicken. I know it's not authentic, but I'm okay with that. As culinary styles expand to incorporate techniques and styles from other cultures, the food definitely improves.
 

Phoenix86

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Surely you jest, he was a real general! </sarcasm>

I agree about the blending of cultural dishes, love me some tex-mex.
 

OCGuy

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Not so sure of that. My family always stressed the proper way to hold silverware. To hold it properly when eating and not grip it like a chisel or some kind of tool. We're Italian and if you also don't know how to roll the fork when eating spaghetti and twirl it all into a nice and neat bite sized portion with no slurping, that's indicative of poor upbringing and education.

You guys couldn't have been much more than middle-middle with such a myopic understanding of cultural differences. It strongly suggests a lack of foreign travel, or exposure to foreign customs. You were correct until you mistakenly declared the idea that your social psychology is the "right" one.

Your proud self-identification as Italian instead of American, coupled with the rest of this post, sounds like your pops was hard working but blue collar.
 

jaedaliu

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Your proud self-identification as Italian instead of American, coupled with the rest of this post, sounds like your pops was hard working but blue collar.

Good for him! I think it's important to know where you come from. My kids won't have as strong as an ethnic identity as I do, and that's a little sad. And if they stay in America, their kids probably won't have any.

I may pack their asses up and send them to the motherland for summer cultural school when they're young. But that's hard too; my wife is from a different country.

Back on topic, what was the original topic? American Chinese food is tasty as hell. Some of my friends call Panda Express and other fast food counters "fake chinese food" but there's nothing fake about it. You can get almost all the dishes in sit down chinese food restaurants.
 

NetWareHead

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You guys couldn't have been much more than middle-middle with such a myopic understanding of cultural differences. It strongly suggests a lack of foreign travel, or exposure to foreign customs. You were correct until you mistakenly declared the idea that your social psychology is the "right" one.

Your proud self-identification as Italian instead of American, coupled with the rest of this post, sounds like your pops was hard working but blue collar.

My understanding is not the "right one", it is simply the ideology I care to follow and everyone else is free to do what they want. The thing is that I didn't make those rules or standards and neither did my parents. It seems like every other Italian and European family we interacted with stressed the same thing so I don't think my understanding is so myopic.

I've traveled all over Europe, Central America/Caribbean and a little bit of Asia and noticed the same thing in the cultures. If you eat like a bum or you hold your fork/chopsticks improperly, it reflects poorly on your background and upbringing. That may or may not be true but that is the opinion many people are going to form of you. I spent time with the Maya in Yucatan Mexico, Malay/Indians/Chinese in Singapore and many places in Europe and I found this to be one of the things they have in common. If you eat and look like a barbarian while doing it, people are going to notice it and form their opinions. It is even more strict in Asia, where if you file your chopsticks against one another as if you want to remove the splinters, that's an insult to your host. If you make noise with your chopsticks/plate, that's what beggars do to attract attention. You should never stick your chopsticks straight up in your food because that resembles some sort of incense burning ritual done at funerals. And etc etc etc... Perhaps America doesn't have these sorts of stringent rules. To us, they seem inconsequential, but it is the equivalent of smacking your lips or burping/farting at the dinner table.

My father is a proud self made business owner who is pretty independent and was educated in a Jesuit boarding school. Even today, he is in his 60s, he still eats the way the monks/sisters/priests instilled into him; elbows at certain angle, certain amount of fingers distance the chest should be from the table edge etc etc etc... Both my parents are conservative old school people from farming communities in Italy and expectedly so, have instilled in my sister and I the same rules/customs that they were brought up in. And I intend to do the same with my children.

I'm not trying to offend anyone here or appear stuckup or snobby. But someone mentioned that "white people" don't care how people appear when they eat and that is simply wrong. It all depends on what circle you come from, what appearance you care to give when in public and whether or not you care about such a thing.
 

OCGuy

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You didn't contradict anything I said about your youth or how silly your view that somehow Euro-American customs are the international standard and universally superior.

In fact I was mainly thinking Asia, which you say you have visited........you didn't notice any different manners when say eating noodles that would insult your Italian sensibilities?

You didn't visit anywhere that highly educated people eat with their hands?

I'm not buying it.

If you are wondering why I picked on you, your threads have a theme. Your superiority complex that your parents instilled in you as a child is so apparent that I only remember reading 3 threads of yours and it is present in every single one.

- You showed a strange disdain for a perfect tenant, because they did not jump to get their carpets "professionally" cleaned when it wasn't in the contract. I'm guessing not Italian tenants, right?

- Unless your current front-page thread talking down on plumbers involves Mario and Luigi, my guess is that the reason you think you "could have done it better" is because the plumber's last name doesn't end in a vowel

- And this thread, where at first you tried to say contemporary Euro-American mannerisms are the global standard (although in your response you changed it slightly).
 
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NetWareHead

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You didn't contradict anything I said about your youth or how silly your view that somehow Euro-American customs are the international standard and universally superior.

In fact I was mainly thinking Asia, which you say to have visited........you didn't notice any eating manners when say eating noodles that would insult your Italian sensibilities?

You didn't visit anywhere that highly educated people eat with their hands?

I'm not buying it.

How am I going to apply Italian standards to an Asian people or vice versa? Yes I spent time with Indians and have learned to eat with the hand as well. You have misunderstood my message.

All I'm saying is that different cultures have different standards and when visiting those places, you may unwittingly embarrass yourself or even offend the locals. It doesn't mean one country's culture standards are superior. If you want to use the fork/spaghetti example I mentioned earlier, my parents were the most judgemental when considering other Italians or children of Italian descent. To them, if an American didn't know how to twirl spaghetti properly, that was expected and it was actually a bonus that they complimented on when they saw an American doing it properly.


EDIT: The rest of your thread is just incorrect and far off base.
 

Paratus

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I just wanted to know how many people are good with chopsticks. :biggrin:

I am.

When we were growing my family used to hit a hole in the wall joint and we'd ask for four sets of chopsticks.

The old Chinese waiter would squint at us and say, "You not look Chinese!"

"More power! One billion and 4!"
 
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