I hate English class so much.

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effowe

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Well, since no-one has asked, wtf is 1,3,7-trimethylpurine-2,6-dione?
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
The reason why kids today aren't excited about reading is because we have them reading goddamn poetry from the 17th century. If you have to spend half the time deciphering meaning and figuring out what the hell the author is even trying to say then your not going to get many kids even interested in reading.

I think teachers need to rethink how to teach English. There are so many amazing books out there that have a great deal of relevance to young kids these days that just don't get read or used. It's a shame.

like what? i mean some of that stuff is good. they're trying to broaden their horizons past South Park, video games, and football.

what other books should they be having the kids read?

HS english didn't turn me off to reading. i'm more of a reader now than i was in HS, msot likely. i didn't really like most of the stuff we read in school either. I think too many people are too interested in instant gratification.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Flyback
The best is when people interpret it the way that the dead author might never have intended while authoring it :laugh:

(ie when people read far too into a piece of poetry or literature for symbolism.. its hilarious. "I definitely sense some latent homosexuality, what with the careful juxtaposition of the socks on the floor and the cold tea. He must have had an abusive upbringing, I sense it in his selection of tea flavour." hahahaha).


Oh and for the record, I like reading fiction, plays and autobiographies. I hate poetry and the constant over-analysis of work, though.

what's the point of interpretation if you're limiting the scope of interpretation to a certain few, well-defined ideas/concepts?
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
obviously the world would be better off without artists/writers/poets etc.

please tell me you are joking. if not, i feel very very sorry for you.
 

mrjminer

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
The reason why kids today aren't excited about reading is because we have them reading goddamn poetry from the 17th century. If you have to spend half the time deciphering meaning and figuring out what the hell the author is even trying to say then your not going to get many kids even interested in reading.

I think teachers need to rethink how to teach English. There are so many amazing books out there that have a great deal of relevance to young kids these days that just don't get read or used. It's a shame.

The first half of what you're saying is pretty much garbage. Most of the poems prior to the "new" or "experimental" poetry is simply brilliant AND understandable--not to mention entertaining. You won't find a 17th century poet writing something along the lines of:

Sevenfold orange farms,
With intricate patterns,
Flowing delicately,
THE END IS NEAR!
or
I,
Have a lot of stuff,
My stuff is great,
It is great stuff.

Fvcking garbage: you will not find Wordsworth, Tennyson, Pope, T.S., Byron, etc. writing this trash.

One of the problems that most kids have with poetry is that there are a bunch of liberal fvcktards running around relating everything to their own personal emotion; they completely ignore the teaching of history and biography alongside reading a poem. Of course, there are a great many of excellent poems to which there is no need for history or understanding, but they do significantly enhance the experience. Is reading Coleridge's 'Kubla Khan' fun? Not really, BUT knowing that it was written entirely under the influence of laudanum then launching into its effects/potential effects on other poets is the kind of information that kids want to know. Old poets and poems are FILLED with sex, drugs, class issues, economy, being ordinary, and much more.

Further, the explanation/information necessary to make poetry a worthwhile experience is often very limited. For example, simply saying something about "John Donne wrote this about a love affair for a lusty mistress" increases the understanding significantly. Of course, there are some exceptions to this, as with 'The Wasteland,' but these are pretty limited and that is probably one of the most obscure "classics." Basically, most students don't want the GD whining materialistic crap that most poets spew out today in some sort of tirade against modern society; students are already familiar with all of that rubbish through movies, TV, and the overdramaticization of all things into a political matter. Something new and something fresh IS something old.

Of course, there are old poems that are really too difficult or complex for many people to appreciate (ie: "The Wasteland") and sometimes teachers want to teach poems that students will OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN: 'Song of Self' by Whitman--anyone? For fvcks sake, of course most young people won't want to read that GD poem. Ultimately, problems like these are the fault of the person selecting content not understanding that some things just won't work for kids, regardless of whether or not they are excellent works. However, the vast majority of older works are things that students can find interesting.

Somewhere along the lines, people started to label anything with a comma and a new line as poetry, or simply extorted the syntactic elements of poetry to obscurity and determined it was "cool" because it manipulated the rules. People get taught that you can't "argue with someone's emotion or opinion because they are entitled to it" so anything anyone wants to call "good poetry" has to be good by default: I have a potato in my hand, but I'm calling it an orange so fvck you--that is the basic mentality of many recent poems.

I honestly don't think you have sufficient understanding of older works and their relevance/interest level in youth to even suggest that the problem is with older poems being used, but I do agree that the root of the problem is the teacher and their methods of introducing works to students.

I'm not going to delve into books, but I concur that there are many good books that are applicable to student lives that are recent. I do, however, make the exception that there are many older works of equal importance with relevant themes and situations, some of which have the additional benefit of teaching critical thinking and language usage while providing a historical framework for the problems found in modern society.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
obviously the world would be better off without artists/writers/poets etc.

please tell me you are joking. if not, i feel very very sorry for you.

what exactly have they contributed to cars, computers.. and science in general (ie, IMPORTANT things )?
 

idiotekniQues

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
obviously the world would be better off without artists/writers/poets etc.

please tell me you are joking. if not, i feel very very sorry for you.

considering i then posted a follow up post including some of my poetry, i think it is fair to say i was being facetious.

 

kranky

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I don't "get" poetry. I don't judge it. I don't care what other people think about it. But I absolutely hated getting a low grade in a class because I didn't play the game of pretending to know what someone was thinking when they wrote a poem.

If a poet has something to say, then say it. Don't talk about cooking a rabbit over a campfire and expect a reader to realize it was actually talking about the poet's unrequited love for his doctor's receptionist.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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My point is not that novels or poetry written hundreds of years ago is garbage. It simply isn't going to get young kids interested or excited about reading.

I think teachers have tried pretty hard to get kids interested in the classics, but lets face the facts.....most kids find the material boring and not at all relevant to their own lives.

 

Beev

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English classes are required almost every year of college, which is a crock of fvcking bullsh!t.
 

Turin39789

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194. A Part of an Ode
to the Immortal Memory and Friendship of that noble pair,
Sir Lucius Cary and Sir H. Morison

IT is not growing like a tree
In bulk, doth make man better be;
Or standing long an oak, three hundred year,
To fall a log at last, dry, bald, and sere:
A lily of a day 5
Is fairer far in May,
Although it fall and die that night;
It was the plant and flower of light.
In small proportions we just beauties see;
And in short measures, life may perfect be. 10

Call, noble Lucius, then for wine,
And let thy looks with gladness shine:
Accept this garland, plant it on thy head,
And think?nay, know?thy Morison 's not dead.
He leap'd the present age, 15
Possest with holy rage
To see that bright eternal Day
Of which we Priests and Poets say
Such truths as we expect for happy men;
And there he lives with memory?and Ben 20

Jonson: who sung this of him, ere he went
Himself to rest,
Or tast a part of that full joy he meant
To have exprest
In this bright Asterism 25
Where it were friendship's schism?
Were not his Lucius long with us to tarry?
To separate these twy
Lights, the Dioscuri,
And keep the one half from his Harry. 30
But fate doth so alternate the design,
Whilst that in Heav'n, this light on earth must shine.

And shine as you exalted are!
Two names of friendship, but one star:
Of hearts the union: and those not by chance 35
Made, or indenture, or leased out to advance
The profits for a time.
No pleasures vain did chime
Of rimes or riots at your feasts,
Orgies of drink or feign'd protests; 40
But simple love of greatness and of good,
That knits brave minds and manners more than blood.

This made you first to know the Why
You liked, then after, to apply
That liking, and approach so one the t'other 45
Till either grew a portion of the other:
Each stylèd by his end
The copy of his friend.
You lived to be the great surnames
And titles by which all made claims 50
Unto the Virtue?nothing perfect done
But as a CARY or a MORISON.

And such the force the fair example had
As they that saw
The good, and durst not practise it, were glad 55
That such a law
Was left yet to mankind,
Where they might read and find
FRIENDSHIP indeed was written, not in words,
And with the heart, not pen, 60
Of two so early men,
Whose lines her rules were and records:
Who, ere the first down bloomèd on the chin,
Had sow'd these fruits, and got the harvest in.




To The Whore Who Took My Poems by Charles Bukowski
some say we should keep personal remorse from the
poem,
stay abstract, and there is some reason in this,
but jezus;
twelve poems gone and I don't keep carbons and you have
my
paintings too, my best ones; its stifling:
are you trying to crush me out like the rest of them?
why didn't you take my money? they usually do
from the sleeping drunken pants sick in the corner.
next time take my left arm or a fifty
but not my poems:
I'm not Shakespeare
but sometime simply
there won't be any more, abstract or otherwise;
there'll always be mony and whores and drunkards
down to the last bomb,
but as God said,
crossing his legs,
I see where I have made plenty of poets
but not so very much
poetry.
 
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