I hate Holidays

[WilliamM2]

One, before we continue, I suggest stopping the harassment and argue reasonably and in good faith.

Did I fail to provide evidence or fail to describe the precise mechanism of theft?

Do you require clarification of my point?

What harassment? There's that paranoia again.

Did I not provide evidence that a safety deposit box is far safer that keeping it at his home?

 

[Torn Mind]

What harassment? There's that paranoia again.

Did I not provide evidence that a safety deposit box is far safer that keeping it at his home?

So you're saying my point was that it's safer to store items at home than in a bank's safe deposit box?

You also read through the whole NYT article?

 

[WilliamM2]

So you're saying my point was that it's safer to store items at home than in a bank's safe deposit box?

You also read through the whole NYT article?

I'm not sure what your point was, other than the usual "everyone is out to get you".

The point of offsite backups is usually fire, flood, etc. Not theft, it's a backup, the NAS is also at his house. So that link was irrelevant to the post you replied to anyways. And paywalled.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Don't trust humans! If you trust a human, maybe he's NOT a human

 

[WelshBloke]

What's the basis for saying I have paranoia?

You know... people were talking about you!

 

[pmv]

What harassment? There's that paranoia again.

Did I not provide evidence that a safety deposit box is far safer that keeping it at his home?

Not that I care at all about the topic, but strikes me the data you quoted doesn't really prove anything, because you would have to compare 'safety deposit box robberies' with 'robberies from the houses of the kinds of people who are liable to use safety deposit boxes', not 'robberies from homes in general'.

 

[pmv]

The point of offsite backups is usually fire, flood, etc. Not theft, it's a backup, the NAS is also at his house.

Also, this.

 

[lxskllr]

I think Torn Mind's approach is 'perfect being the enemy of good'. He's factually correct, and safe deposit boxes are imperfect, but if you look at any solution to any problem, you'll find fault with it. Entropy's a motherfucker, and everything decays into chaos. You pick the best solution to whatever based on convenience, cost, and risk aversion, and hope for the best. There's a non zero chance anything you do will fail regardless of how much money and time you throw at it.

The danger is fixating on those problems. You spend your life obsessing over details, and waiting for life to fuck you over one more time. Don't worry about it. None of this shit matters anyway. Once you're dead it'll all be forgotten, and even huge events will be forgotten aside from history geeks.

 

[Muse]

Well now I want to guess, can we get hints? What about necrophilia?

You may find this difficult to believe but there's nothing to hide. I am no kind of pervert. How's that for a hint?

 

[igor_kavinski]

I am no kind of pervert.

I once asked my ex-boss to share her porn stash directory with me. I was fully expecting her to get mad at me but instead, I get a complete list of her porn folder contents. It was mostly sex tutorials, the explicit kind and possibly some kinky stuff though I don't remember very well. By the way, you don't have to explain anything. You do know that these people are teasing you?

If someone looked through my digital storage spread across God only knows how many non-redundant drives, porn would be like 1% or less. But I'm pretty sure that upon my death and discovery of that porn, people will be like, oh what a pervert! He was right in the midst of us and we had no idea! No wonder he never got married! But the truth is far from that. Not all adult porn is cheap crap. Some of it is very well shot and some of it is couples actually enjoying the moment, rather than the mindless crap created by the mainstream porn companies.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I used to use a PO box for my backups, it also doubled as something I can put on my domain names instead of my real address. But it was a pain as they did not support any form of auto payment so I had to go in and pay manually at regular intervals and was always worried I would forget. So cancelled it. Also felt a bit uncomfortable putting my data in something that other people have access to. With bank deposit boxes it's same thing, government can easily order the bank to give them the content. The government has already been known for seizing assets of protestors andpeople who disagree with government, and freezing bank accounts, I'm sure they would go after deposit boxes too in that instance.

Now days I just use whois privacy on my domains as most decent registrars don't charge for it anymore, and for offsite backups I use my web server as well as cold storage backups I bring to work. Come to think of it I could probably bring some to my off grid property too. Just need to build a lockable weather proof box pretty much anywhere on my land with a trail going to it. Encrypting the backups would probably be a good idea too. I eventually want to get a LTO drive and use tapes too, for long term backups/archives. Basically treat them like CDs.

 

[Muse]

I used to use a PO box for my backups, it also doubled as something I can put on my domain names instead of my real address. But it was a pain as they did not support any form of auto payment so I had to go in and pay manually at regular intervals and was always worried I would forget. So cancelled it. Also felt a bit uncomfortable putting my data in something that other people have access to. With bank deposit boxes it's same thing, government can easily order the bank to give them the content. The government has already been known for seizing assets of protestors andpeople who disagree with government, and freezing bank accounts, I'm sure they would go after deposit boxes too in that instance.

Now days I just use whois privacy on my domains as most decent registrars don't charge for it anymore, and for offsite backups I use my web server as well as cold storage backups I bring to work. Come to think of it I could probably bring some to my off grid property too. Just need to build a lockable weather proof box pretty much anywhere on my land with a trail going to it. Encrypting the backups would probably be a good idea too. I eventually want to get a LTO drive and use tapes too, for long term backups/archives. Basically treat them like CDs.

I'm not afraid of the government (or anyone) getting ahold of my NAS data, like I said, I have nothing to hide. I back up offsite in order to insure that I do not lose my data in the event of a catastrophe such as fire, theft, earthquake, equipment failure, lightning strike, etc. My data is precious to me, to someone else it would be little more than a curiosity in most cases and largely mysterious because they wouldn't understand the nature of my organization systems. I love to write and I write for myself. Some (small amount!) would be interesting to some people, but how would they even find that without my help?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

When is stuff closed next week, the 1st or the 4th? I can't keep track of which ones get moved to Monday.

 

[sdifox]

https://www.american.bank/bank-holidays/

 

[Torn Mind]

I think Torn Mind's approach is 'perfect being the enemy of good'. He's factually correct, and safe deposit boxes are imperfect, but if you look at any solution to any problem, you'll find fault with it. Entropy's a motherfucker, and everything decays into chaos. You pick the best solution to whatever based on convenience, cost, and risk aversion, and hope for the best. There's a non zero chance anything you do will fail regardless of how much money and time you throw at it.

The danger is fixating on those problems. You spend your life obsessing over details, and waiting for life to fuck you over one more time. Don't worry about it. None of this shit matters anyway. Once you're dead it'll all be forgotten, and even huge events will be forgotten aside from history geeks.

While it was fine letting people take the floor to guess at what I was thinking, it's clear that there is a virtual stoning session progress and the actual line of thought of the article needs to be highlighted. In addition, you seem to be imagining things and misreading things very heavily.

The issue raised in the article and broadcasted in my post is simple:
Safe deposit boxes are not safe for high value items that exceed the limits outlined in the contract to rent such a box.
You guys simply raise OTHER ISSUES not related to this one at hand.
Two, neither I nor the article proposed any imperatives to NOT store them.

Three, this is not personal to me because I have nothing to store in such a location. Did I ever say that someone stole shit out of MY safe deposit box. Because genius, I never said that. Maybe because I am an empath, I can sound like it's personal, but lost watches or lost cash of another are not my losses to bear.

Fourth, I suggest testing your "don't give fuck" imperative to whatever your sacred cows and if you're political, whoever is your favorite politician. Go WhistlinDiesel on some of your vehicles or something or run over a pedestrian. Because your words, not mine are "none of this shit matters anyway". And please, do write a letter to Mr. Poniz saying that he shouldn't give damn and pay lawyers for his watches stating your exact words. You say them to me, I expect to follow through and say it to the two VICTIM'S faces. And if not, I'll mail your forum post to them.

One of the first distinctions I learned as an economics undergrad was the distinction between normative(what ought to be) and positive statements(what is). What is evident is one is fiercely trying to allege I made a normative statement(Just store them in the house) when nowhere in the record did I mention to do that. In fact, the only thing I said was "TAKE BETTER INVENTORY", and to clarify, that meant taking pictures of the stored items. It is clear you do believe I uttered a normative statement, a statement not in existence in my post, thus you spend the majority of your post pontificating and implicitly shredding my character. Implied accusation #1: I'm a pickyune fault finder. Implied accusation #2: I want "perfection". Implied accusation #3: I'm obsessive over "details".

Here I am, just posting it more like trivia and just pointing out the lack of preserving evidence can leave one unable to recover. You think I take this more seriously than I actually do.

It's not like I said "DON'T STORE HARD DRIVES IN SAFE DEPOSIT BOXES BECAUSE THEY'LL STEAL IT". But I think that's what you thought I said, not what I actually said. Whereas I implied that because a hard drive is a low value item, it's fine in a safe deposit box.
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You also missed all the multiple points of the article. There's more than the three that follow, but it would get messy and incoherent just listing them with no explanation. One is that high value items are at risk of other humans taking it for themselves for gain. Two is that the takers and the banks themselves avoid legal consequences. Related to two, there is no substantial regulation of safe deposit boxes and common law contract law(outlined in the likes of Restatement of Contracts) severely limits the amount on can recover. Victim 2, a woman, had items valued in the millions...but her final recovery, 2,460 in compensatory and 150k in punitive damages.

Entropy is a law regarding the nature of matter. Look at the units of measurement of entropy, and tell what relevance does it have? Yes, in matters of matter and energy, there is "disorder". But this isn't physics, chemistry, or any other related field, genius.

I'll put it this way. Would you give cash to anyone who says they'll pay you bank? What difference is that compared to monkeys in a bank who oversee storage boxes?

 

[lxskllr]

For being an empath, you sure don't have much sense for when someone is trying to dull the edge others are hitting you with. You might want to reassess your abilities ;^)

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

And use a lot less pixels.

 

[dlerious]

We are seeing that happen here as well, albeit in a much slower pace.

I hope not. Sweden seems to have a big problem with fraud since going cashless.

 

[dlerious]

When is stuff closed next week, the 1st or the 4th? I can't keep track of which ones get moved to Monday.

The 4th of July falls on a Thursday this year. No holidays are moved, they may be observed on a different day to give federal employees a (non weekend) day off.

 

[BudAshes]

You may find this difficult to believe but there's nothing to hide. I am no kind of pervert. How's that for a hint?

Well we know you are lying now, those nudes of sdifox's mom are considered bestiality in all states north of the Mason Dixon line.

 

[Muse]

Well we know you are lying now, those nudes of sdifox's mom are considered bestiality in all states north of the Mason Dixon line.

Did I say that's on my HDs? I just know how to access it on the internet. Who's culpable? And calling me a liar makes you open to a gigantic lawsuit. I suggest you call your lawyer today, you are in deep doo doo.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This one they can leave intact.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This one definitely needs to go away.

 

[brianmanahan]

 

[Red Squirrel]

Gobble gobble!

Working tonight so getting the holiday premium. Had turkey yesterday.