I hate the HMRC!!

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Timorous

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Once you had agreed for companies to freeze payments you should have then cancelled the direct debits for those payments, it is the safest way to avoid them coming out by mistake.

I would go to the back and request the money back for the companies who agreed to freeze the payments. I recently had E-On take ~ £700 out of my bank account because they miscalculated the final bill, I phoned up the bank to request a charge back and I had the money back in my account within minutes. They still have not sent a revised final bill.

As for your current situation it might be worth going to the local council to see if they have any sort of emergency/budgeting loans that can be made available to you until the tax has been paid off or you have been to court to settle a more affordable payment plan. I am surprised to learn the HMRC can garnish your JSA without a garnishee order though or is it an attachment of earnings?
Keep a note of all the fees that you are charged due to this situation and when you have settled everything take HMRC to the small claims court to get those charges back (speak to a lawyer first though). As a layman I would expect you have a somewhat strong case as you were willing to pay HMRC an affordable amount until the total tax owed was paid back but they refused this offer and instead took all your money leading to a situation where you accrued additional charges that could have been avoided if they had chosen a less heavy handed tactic of recovery.
 
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nephilim2k

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I have charged back the Direct Debits and got the fees revoked (thankfully). I already went to the council for a crisis loan but they wont do it to pay off another debt, and the HMRC can take it as an attachment of earnungs without the garnishee order. Pain in the arse but 2 tax lawyers went through it and found it too be sound.

As for where I am...I am about 30 miles outside of London.
 

Puppies04

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30 miles outside London... my advice would be get a job. I am sure you are going to claim there aren't any and I am even more sure you will be talking crap.

Perhaps you have standards and will not do certain jobs in which case your family is going to have a really crappy christmas.
 

nephilim2k

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I have applied for nearly 1000 jobs over 8 weeks. I am willing to be a cleaner or a litterpicker or work in mcdonalds if it means earning a wage.
 

Timorous

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I have charged back the Direct Debits and got the fees revoked (thankfully). I already went to the council for a crisis loan but they wont do it to pay off another debt, and the HMRC can take it as an attachment of earnungs without the garnishee order. Pain in the arse but 2 tax lawyers went through it and found it too be sound.

As for where I am...I am about 30 miles outside of London.

I would argue that it is not a debt that you need the loan for. The debt is being paid off via your JSA and the loan is to cover living expenses until you have enough income after the attachment of earnings to cover them.

Might it be worth contacting the employer who messed up the PAYE to see if their payroll department can speak to HMRC to get this attachment of earnings reduced?
 

nephilim2k

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I spent 3 hours in there yesterday. It wouldn't matter as the HMRC put me in this situation. They were really rather harsh, saying I should speak to family to get the money to pay the HMRC or pay my bills. Trouble is, they're helping with food and heating/electric so we dont freeze or go hungry.
 

nephilim2k

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I wish it was like a Mary Poppins...then someone would come to my rescue...currently I have the bank being bastards, the HMRC being bastards and the companies I owe money too are being bastards...can't win
 

nephilim2k

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Did the math earlier. Sold my xbox, tv, all games for it, wii, all games for it, and about 100 dvds earlier at a cash for electricals shop and sold my bike at the local bike shop. Still massively short. Didnt realise just how little you actually get for this stuff, should have ebayed it but wanted to try raise the money quick. Ah well. Its christmas, something has to work in my favour right? :-(
 

EagleKeeper

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If you get about 1/3 of what you paid; you did good
 

nephilim2k

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I got a total of £347 (and small change). Better than nothing and will go to the hmrc to say here is a payment, please take less from future JSA.

Just pissed off with it all. If it was january I wouldnt mind as christmas would be done. But explaining to a 4.5 year old that Santa and his elves are having trouble and there may not be much of a christmas is heartbreaking.

I am now stuck in that everytime I get an interview outside of my county I cant usr my bus pass and I wont get any help covering the fees. So i am stucl there too.

I am close to begging in honesty as frankly, I could probably get some money for a bit of freezer/pantry food shopping and a christmas present or two then!

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Someone sent a message asking why i dont sell my mobile. I will answer publicly. It is the only form of contact I now have. Phone company cut off telephone and internet until we can pay. I would sell the phonr, but it would probably only get about £50 and not go far in the grand scheme of thingz.
 
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drebo

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I've never heard of a PhD in IT...in which field of IT does there exist enough content to justify a PhD?
 

EagleKeeper

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I've never heard of a PhD in IT...in which field of IT does there exist enough content to justify a PhD?
My specific line of IT is very rare - specifically Education Management Information Systems Human/Computer Visualisation ~(working on how efficiency can be improved on educational MIS systems through statistical analysis). I worked for Capita (UK's largest MIS firm, developing a program called SIMS (Schools Information Management System), my updates were deployed to nearly 90'000 schools.


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EagleKeeper

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I got a total of £347 (and small change). Better than nothing and will go to the hmrc to say here is a payment, please take less from future JSA.

Just pissed off with it all. If it was january I wouldnt mind as christmas would be done. But explaining to a 4.5 year old that Santa and his elves are having trouble and there may not be much of a christmas is heartbreaking.

I am now stuck in that everytime I get an interview outside of my county I cant usr my bus pass and I wont get any help covering the fees. So i am stucl there too.

I am close to begging in honesty as frankly, I could probably get some money for a bit of freezer/pantry food shopping and a christmas present or two then!

Edit

Someone sent a message asking why i dont sell my mobile. I will answer publicly. It is the only form of contact I now have. Phone company cut off telephone and internet until we can pay. I would sell the phonr, but it would probably only get about £50 and not go far in the grand scheme of thingz.

They will not take less from the next payment collected; Just not take from the last one(s). They will not care that you made a extra partial up front.

I do not know how many kids you have; but reserve enough so each kids no longer gets a lump of coal.
It will mean much to them and also to you to see something on their faces besides unhappiness.

I fully agree; you need a method of contact for any potential employment.

Hold onto what is not used to make the children happy, to be used for your transportation needs.
 
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