I hate to say it...

Viper1j

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But maybe the ovens would be better than the alternative.

At least the dead don't suffer..

https://apnews.com/4117f50a12d14f12915b6bb0d975614a

Premature baby found in Border Patrol facility in Texas

The teenage girl with pigtail braids was hunched over in a wheelchair and holding a bunched sweatshirt when an immigrant advocate met her at a crowded Border Patrol facility in Texas.

She opened the sweatshirt and the advocate gasped. It was a tiny baby, born premature, being held in detention instead of where she believes she should have been — a hospital neonatal unit.

“You look at this baby and there is no question that this baby should be in a tube with a heart monitor,” said Hope Frye, a volunteer with an immigrant advocacy group who travels the country visiting immigration facilities with children to make sure they comply with federal guidelines.

Frye and other advocates say the case highlights the poor conditions immigrants are held in after crossing the border at a time when the government is dealing with an unprecedented number of families and children who are arriving each day.

She says the mother, a 17-year-old from Guatemala, had an emergency cesarean section in Mexico in early May and crossed the border with the baby June 4. She was in a wheelchair in extreme pain when legal advocates found her this week. The girl told advocates she had crossed the border through the Rio Grande River but needed people to carry her, and also needed assistance getting into a Border Patrol car when she was apprehended.

The mother and daughter were expected to be transferred to a privately-run facility for underage immigrants without parents on Thursday after outcry on social media.

They were held in an overcrowded McAllen processing facility that holds hundreds of parents and children in large, fenced-in areas and gained international attention last year when it detained children separated from their parents. Advocates describe them as cages and say they are extremely cold. The converted warehouse is the same location where a flu outbreak caused authorities to shut down the facility last month.

The Trump administration has been facing daily criticism over conditions in migrant detention facilities.

Five children have died since late last year after being detained by the Border Patrol. Immigrants have been kept outside for extended periods near a bridge in El Paso in conditions that a professor who recently visited the location told the Texas Monthly magazine was like a “human dog pound.” And an Inspector General report last month found severe overcrowding inside an El Paso processing center, with 76 migrants packed into a tiny cell designed for a maximum of 12 people. Investigators saw immigrants standing on top of toilets to make room and find space to breathe because the cell was so cramped.

In a letter to Congress this week, the Department of Homeland Security’s acting secretary, Kevin K. McAleenan, and Alex Azar, who heads the Health and Human Services Department, pleaded for emergency supplemental funding.

“We continue to experience a humanitarian and security crisis at the southern border of the United States, and the situation becomes more dire each day,” they wrote.

Customs and Border Protection says its agents are overwhelmed and don’t have the funding or resources to handle the influx. Health and Human Services, the governmental agency in charge of caring for unaccompanied children after they’re released from Border Patrol custody, says it is past capacity with over 13,000 kids in its care at the moment. The agency said it plans to add new facilities for children in New Mexico, Texas and a military base in Oklahoma.

Families and underage migrants who cross the border are held in Border Patrol facilities that are meant to be temporary and were designed primarily for single adult men and not mothers, newborns and sick toddlers. Families are regularly kept in them for much longer than the allowed maximum of 72 hours.

Frye first met the teenage girl at the McAllen facility on Tuesday. The girl said border authorities made her throw away a backpack with the baby’s clothing and hadn’t given her anything else, so the baby was in a dirty onesie bundled in a sweatshirt that another migrant mother gave her.

At one point, the baby got sick and was listless and unresponsive, Frye said.

Frye said the baby and her mother should never have been kept there. She said she isn’t sure how premature the baby was born but said she is “minuscule” and that her head was “the size of my fist or smaller than my fist.”

Customs and Border Protection, which runs the facility the girl and baby were held in, has not issued comment.
 

Moonbeam

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The Trump administration needs to be brought before an International War Crimes Tribunal, especially the psychopath Steven Miller.
 
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Viper1j

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It reminds me of a conversation I had once. I have a Jewish friend and we were talking about World War II and I have to admit, that I didn't understand the psychopathy of the Nazi guards, that could perpetrate first all day long, and go back to their own kids and laugh and play with them.

He pointed out that they never saw the Jewish people as human, but I couldn't even be that cruel to an animal, there must be a real, twisted mode of thinking, that allows someone to do the mental gymnastics that keeps them from going insane after doing these things to other human beings.

I see the same mental gymnastics with the people of Customs and Border Patrol. And their defenders.
 

Jaskalas

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The Trump administration needs to be brought before an International War Crimes Tribunal, especially the psychopath Steven Miller.

War Crimes, for having a border and detaining illegal crossings?
I'd ask if you are joking, but you are not.
Strange part is, you probably do not realize ALL other nations expel foreigners who do not belong there.
You expect something unique and suicidal from us. To open our borders for everyone, in a way no one else does.
I fail to understand how you, and other Americans, could be driven to such insanity.

These people should be barred from entry. Physical barriers, troop presence, etc. Pushed back and repelled into Mexico. Failing that, any recent arrivals should be deported the same week they arrived. The way North should be closed. It needs to be closed. Not that I expect people to listen to reason over madness.
 

JSt0rm

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War Crimes, for having a border and detaining illegal crossings?
I'd ask if you are joking, but you are not.
Strange part is, you probably do not realize ALL other nations expel foreigners who do not belong there.
You expect something unique and suicidal from us. To open our borders for everyone, in a way no one else does.
I fail to understand how you, and other Americans, could be driven to such insanity.

These people should be barred from entry. Physical barriers, troop presence, etc. Pushed back and repelled into Mexico. Failing that, any recent arrivals should be deported the same week they arrived. The way North should be closed. It needs to be closed. Not that I expect people to listen to reason over madness.

why?
 

sandorski

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Psychopaths have been noted to often have a history of being cruel to Pets. What should we call people who go out of their way to be cruel to Humans?
 

DrDoug

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Fundie Christian Conservatives?

Look at Hair Furor's numbers... the answer is Republicans. They approve of this, this pleases them enough that they want to reelect him. They have no problem being cruel to humans, look at their leader.
 

brycejones

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War Crimes, for having a border and detaining illegal crossings?
I'd ask if you are joking, but you are not.
Strange part is, you probably do not realize ALL other nations expel foreigners who do not belong there.
You expect something unique and suicidal from us. To open our borders for everyone, in a way no one else does.
I fail to understand how you, and other Americans, could be driven to such insanity.

These people should be barred from entry. Physical barriers, troop presence, etc. Pushed back and repelled into Mexico. Failing that, any recent arrivals should be deported the same week they arrived. The way North should be closed. It needs to be closed. Not that I expect people to listen to reason over madness.

Throw in some land mines, machine gun nests, air strikes on the “caravans” because people looking for a better life deserve to be punished.

Aren’t you also one of the “America is full crowd”?
 

cytg111

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War Crimes, for having a border and detaining illegal crossings?
I'd ask if you are joking, but you are not.
Strange part is, you probably do not realize ALL other nations expel foreigners who do not belong there.
You expect something unique and suicidal from us. To open our borders for everyone, in a way no one else does.
I fail to understand how you, and other Americans, could be driven to such insanity.

These people should be barred from entry. Physical barriers, troop presence, etc. Pushed back and repelled into Mexico. Failing that, any recent arrivals should be deported the same week they arrived. The way North should be closed. It needs to be closed. Not that I expect people to listen to reason over madness.

You might want to check on how these people are treated in other western countries WHILE in transit...
 

Moonbeam

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Jaskalas: War Crimes, for having a border and detaining illegal crossings?
I'd ask if you are joking, but you are not.

M: Seriously? You think I think the problem is that we have a border or that we are detaining illegals? There is so much more to it than that. This should be just so obvious I won't bother.

J: Strange part is, you probably do not realize ALL other nations expel foreigners who do not belong there.

M: Seriously? Isn't that pretty universally known.

J: You expect something unique and suicidal from us. To open our borders for everyone, in a way no one else does.
I fail to understand how you, and other Americans, could be driven to such insanity.

M: I fail to understand how you could even imagine I would suggest something like that.

J: These people should be barred from entry. Physical barriers, troop presence, etc. Pushed back and repelled into Mexico. Failing that, any recent arrivals should be deported the same week they arrived. The way North should be closed. It needs to be closed. Not that I expect people to listen to reason over madness.

M: We normally don't expect people to be what we can't be ourselves. But no no no, if you believe what you say you should be the one to push back and repell desperate people and their children personally. You should volunteer to do it yourself instead of saying what others should have as a job. Your thoughts are too savage and your hands too clean. You need to look those people in the eye because then in their faces you would see who you are. 'Hell, we can exterminate the vermin who live in the South and settle them there.' If I can just get somebody else to do it.
 

ivwshane

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I have to laugh at jaskalas, I guy who argues for UBI but fails to realize immigrants, especially the ones without money, are the best thing for an economy since most of their earnings go back into the economy.

I don't know if its ignorance or xenophobia, its hard to tell the difference.
 

Pohemi

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I don't know if its ignorance or xenophobia, its hard to tell the difference.

Well, while not all ignorance comes in the form of xenophobia... xenophobia tends to be based on ignorance and a lack of compassion for other humans.
 
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