I hate Windows 8... absolutely hate it.

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Ichinisan

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Nope, like I said, I just do not use it really is all.

It was a great feature, and it's gone. In many ways, it was a superior DVR interface to anything else out there. I used it with the Silicondust HDHomeRun Prime tuner (connects to home network). All my PCs can watch live / recorded TV from the pool of 3 tuners (plus 2 more tuners from my old HDHR Dual). It's a full-featured DVR that can access all the cable channels I subscribe to, with no monthly equipment lease, far higher capacity, and far superior UI.

Thankfully, I still have Media Center with Win 8...but the developers will never enhance it any more.
 
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bbhaag

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Since we're posting in the wrong forum today, I have a Windows 8.x question.

How can I make my calculator normal size instead of always maximized? I'd also like to dock it on the taskbar in the bottom left.
If you don't want to use the keyboard every time just to start the calculator you can pin it to the start screen/app screen. That's how I've done it so I don't have to type it every time.

C:\windows\system32\calc.exe Right click on calc.exe and select pin to start.

This is for the old school calc that came with Win7. Not the full screen one that comes default with 8.
I should have mentioned too that you can also pin it to the taskbar if you want. Just right click and select pin to taskbar.
 
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Maximilian

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I don't understand how anyone can like Windows 8. I can't even tolerate it.

Yeah, the UI makes it a pile of fail. Plus it tries to trick people into thinking they need a microsoft account on installing it (8.1 does, 8.0 didn't do this). Shame because under the hood its basically an updated windows 7.

The only positive benefit from windows 8 was it made me give Linux (mint and now centos) a real shot on my home server. Not sure when ill be ready to move to it on my main but im keeping an eye on the Linux world. Especially what games run on it, quite a lot of the ones I play have a Linux version, a few big ones dont though
 

escrow4

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Yeah, the UI makes it a pile of fail. Plus it tries to trick people into thinking they need a microsoft account on installing it (8.1 does, 8.0 didn't do this). Shame because under the hood its basically an updated windows 7.

The only positive benefit from windows 8 was it made me give Linux (mint and now centos) a real shot on my home server. Not sure when ill be ready to move to it on my main but im keeping an eye on the Linux world. Especially what games run on it, quite a lot of the ones I play have a Linux version, a few big ones dont though

Running 8.0 and then 8.1 from Day 1, no real issues. Period.
 

Red Squirrel

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Sooo, you use the completely stock OS to do absolutely everything you do? No 3rd party software at all?

Your Server builds are more impressive than I first figured if you're doing 100% everything without a singular additional Linux package installed!

Actually that's the nice thing of Linux and package managers is there's often no need to use 3rd party stuff. The stuff that's in the package managers is official and deemed safe and tested etc. I guess the downside is when something less popular has to be installed and it's not in the package manager then it can be much harder having to deal with dependency hell and all that. Overall the Linux ecosystem tends to have less garbage to deal with so you don't have to second guess everything you are about to download when you do a google search for something.

Besides those things do not modify the actual OS, they're separate programs that do their own separate thing.
 

thecoolnessrune

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Actually that's the nice thing of Linux and package managers is there's often no need to use 3rd party stuff. The stuff that's in the package managers is official and deemed safe and tested etc. I guess the downside is when something less popular has to be installed and it's not in the package manager then it can be much harder having to deal with dependency hell and all that. Overall the Linux ecosystem tends to have less garbage to deal with so you don't have to second guess everything you are about to download when you do a google search for something.

Besides those things do not modify the actual OS, they're separate programs that do their own separate thing.

So like I said, you don't use any third party packages at all? You rely 100% on first party packages from the main stable tree? I find that pretty hard to believe unless your extent of computing is web browsing (which can't even include Google Chrome).

Those things absolutely modify the OS. There are *tons* of programs that require kernel alterations to use. Heck, VMWare Tools comes to mind just off the top of my head

I don't have any hate for these OS's, as they all have their benefits, but your belief that somehow Linux has absolved itself of needing 3rd party modifications to be useful compared to Windows is completely false.
 

ninaholic37

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I don't have any hate for these OS's, as they all have their benefits, but your belief that somehow Linux has absolved itself of needing 3rd party modifications to be useful compared to Windows is completely false.

Meow.

My linux has a start menu, and everything I need. No 3rd party modifications required. Things that aren't there (extras I don't need personally) are easy to get from QuickPet (~100 of the most essential apps) and the Package Manager (I see like 100000 items easily downloadable in ubunty-trusty). I think less that 0.1% of the world needs VMWare Tools specifically, if it's not there already too.
 

thecoolnessrune

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Meow.

My linux has a start menu, and everything I need. No 3rd party modifications required. Things that aren't there (extras I don't need personally) are easy to get from QuickPet (~100 of the most essential apps) and the Package Manager (I see like 100000 items easily downloadable in ubunty-trusty). I think less that 0.1% of the world needs VMWare Tools specifically, if it's not there already too.

At least 35% of the world's internet facing servers use a form of Linux. As of 2014, over 50% of all the world's servers are virtualized. 46% of all virtualized servers are on VMWare ESXi.

You could definitely believe <0.1% of the world doesn't need VMWare Tools. If you had absolutely no interest in facts... :\
 

WelshBloke

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It was a great feature, and it's gone. In many ways, it was a superior DVR interface to anything else out there.

Yep. WMC was/is fantastic. Microsoft really had a chance to make the ultimate 'ecosystem'. WHS with a bunch of TV tuners in backing up all your connected devices and recording and serving media to them all. Mobile devices that can access your data and devices at all times.
They really should be killing everyone in the consumer market.

Not sure what went wrong really.
 

Mem

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Meow.

My linux has a start menu, and everything I need. No 3rd party modifications required. Things that aren't there (extras I don't need personally) are easy to get from QuickPet (~100 of the most essential apps) and the Package Manager (I see like 100000 items easily downloadable in ubunty-trusty). I think less that 0.1% of the world needs VMWare Tools specifically, if it's not there already too.


Linux can have different Start menus or even none,you can change quite a lot on it,yes I've two Linux PCs but its gaming is still way behind Windows I'm afraid to say and main reason why I use Win8.1 for gaming.

Linux does some things great just like Windows and vice versa.


Originally Posted by Maximilian
Yeah, the UI makes it a pile of fail. Plus it tries to trick people into thinking they need a microsoft account on installing it (8.1 does, 8.0 didn't do this). Shame because under the hood its basically an updated windows 7.

The only positive benefit from windows 8 was it made me give Linux (mint and now centos) a real shot on my home server. Not sure when ill be ready to move to it on my main but im keeping an eye on the Linux world. Especially what games run on it, quite a lot of the ones I play have a Linux version, a few big ones dont though
It's not about what the UI looks like or lack of Aero etc in my books because stability and gaming is what counts for me on Windows ie 8.1 and 10 ,you want best UI then pick one of the many great Linux distros out there.

End of the day Win8.1 is rock stable and great for gaming, so far from a fail.
 
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denis280

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Windows 8, what a joke this is a os from win.me with scotch tape on it.don't like it never will,will stay with 7, that my story and am sticking to it:hmm:
 

Maximilian

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It's not about what the UI looks like or lack of Aero etc in my books because stability and gaming is what counts for me on Windows ie 8.1 and 10 ,you want best UI then pick one of the many great Linux distros out there.

End of the day Win8.1 is rock stable and great for gaming, so far from a fail.

Sorry but the UI is important. A successful product needs a good UI and a good user experience as a whole. If you pair a functional, stable, proven core system with a godawful mixed mess of a UI like metro, if its not the only option then its going to fail.

Two years in and dosent even beat XP. Huge fail.
http://venturebeat.com/2014/11/01/w...-market-share-windows-xp-drops-below-20-mark/

Maybe you like it and that's great but the product overall wasent a success. The most positive thing that can be said about windows 8 is its been a learning experience for Microsoft.

And I did try Linux. Its earned its place on my home server, if vulkan takes off and I stop caring for DirectX exclusive games in the future it'll earn its place on my main as well.
 

Mem

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Sorry but the UI is important. A successful product needs a good UI and a good user experience as a whole. If you pair a functional, stable, proven core system with a godawful mixed mess of a UI like metro, if its not the only option then its going to fail.

Two years in and dosent even beat XP. Huge fail.
http://venturebeat.com/2014/11/01/w...-market-share-windows-xp-drops-below-20-mark/

Maybe you like it and that's great but the product overall wasent a success. The most positive thing that can be said about windows 8 is its been a learning experience for Microsoft.

And I did try Linux. Its earned its place on my home server, if vulkan takes off and I stop caring for DirectX exclusive games in the future it'll earn its place on my main as well.


Metro you can avoid for the most part as you know on 8.1,UI wise it always going to be a preference thing on looks and ease of use for the user in question,that goes for ANY Linux or Windows OS you can name.

Personally Windows has never been hard to use UI wise,hardest OS was probably back in DOS days when you had to learn DOS commands,now its all a simple click here or there.


As to regards about Microsoft every OS is a learning experience,Win10 and the future,especially now Microsoft are tryimg to make an OS that does it all,Win8 was their first try,Win10 and onwards they will carry the ball with more refinements.

Some people are too hung up on XP(dead OS) and Win7(coming to its end of life),remember they were also the last pure PC desktop OS,times have changed with new hardware out there etc so OS had to change ,Win8 was the start not the end.


UI always go through different changes,you only have to look at previous Windows and Linux distros to see what I mean.
You may not like the UI but then it's not going to stay the same forever regardless of likes and dislikes ,nothing does on any OS.
 

WelshBloke

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Some people are too hung up on XP(dead OS) and Win7(coming to its end of life),remember they were also the last pure PC desktop OS,times have changed with new hardware out there etc so OS had to change ,Win8 was the start not the end.

So who else apart from Microsoft thinks that?

Apple doesnt, osX and iOS are different.
Google doesnt, Android and Chrome are different.

Its just Microsoft thats pushing the "One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" thing.
 

Morbus

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Ash nazg durbatulûk...

The one OS to rule them all thing has just been badly implemented, I do believe. I absolutely hate Windows 8 with fervor but I think Microsoft objective of uniting all under one OS is misguided.

Their idiotic need to simplify and direct their product to a specific market i9s what's to blame with Windows 8. And I don't see Windows 10 going away from that mentality, if I'm honest.

Microsoft plays a pretty lame Sauron, imo.
True. Apple does a much better job of it.
 

Red Squirrel

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At least 35% of the world's internet facing servers use a form of Linux. As of 2014, over 50% of all the world's servers are virtualized. 46% of all virtualized servers are on VMWare ESXi.

You could definitely believe <0.1% of the world doesn't need VMWare Tools. If you had absolutely no interest in facts... :\

Does vmware tools even work in Linux? All the times I tried to install it, nothing happened. I don't bother even trying anymore, the systems work fine without it.

But my point was, to get general usability of an OS, 3rd party software should not be needed. If I'm using the system for something specific then I do expect to need to install software for that specific task. But if I need to google "start menu program" because the OS I have does not even have a freaking start menu, then there's a pretty big problem.
 

WelshBloke

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The one OS to rule them all thing has just been badly implemented, [...]I think Microsoft objective of uniting all under one OS is misguided.

All (I say 'all', its probably slightly complicated) Microsoft needed to do was make everything work well together. They could have got their mobile devices to use the compute power of your desktop, stored all your stuff on your home server. You (literally) could have your PC in your pocket, and they could have done this years ago.
Microsofts bugbear on mobile historically has been the UI. WM was functionally amazing, it was years ahead of any other mobile OS. They just couldn't make it easy to use. So now they want to do that to their desktop OS. :\

True. Apple does a much better job of it.

Surely Google is a better fit for the All Seeing Eye?
 

Mem

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So who else apart from Microsoft thinks that?

Apple doesnt, osX and iOS are different.
Google doesnt, Android and Chrome are different.

Its just Microsoft thats pushing the "One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" thing.

You can't really blame Microsoft for that,they have their fingers in everything and to them having an OS that does it all makes sense,it probably will work out great down the road but its going to take time,designing an OS that does it all is not easy as everybody thinks,they have to please the majority out there and also make it easy to use,designing a pure PC desktop OS in many ways was a lot easier,throw in touch,tablets and other stuff out there and its a whole new ball game.

I can remember the desktop PC and OS decades ago when it had NO competition,ie no cellphones/mobile phones,tablets,touch devices to name a few.

Modern times a whole new ball game and different era.

Remember a lot more people now are using hardware other than desktop PC,a fact of times.
 

WelshBloke

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You can't really blame Microsoft for that,they have their fingers in everything and to them having an OS that does it all makes sense,it probably will work out great down the road but its going to take time,designing an OS that does it all is not easy as everybody thinks,they have to please the majority out there and also make it easy to use,designing a pure PC desktop OS in many ways was a lot easier,throw in touch,tablets and other stuff out there and its a whole new ball game.

The point is that you dont have to make an OS that pleases everybody and works on everything. The best way is to make a variety of OSs that suit their function and that work well together.

Apple gets this. Microsoft seems to not have a clue about it.

I can remember the desktop PC and OS decades ago when it had NO competition,ie no cellphones/mobile phones,tablets,touch devices to name a few.

A decade ago Microsoft had a very successful mobile OS.

Modern times a whole new ball game and different era.

Why? Why do we suddenly need to reduce the user experience to OS over a variety of devices?

Remember a lot more people now are using hardware other than desktop PC,a fact of times.

So Microsoft should put some effort into supporting those devices rather than trying to reduce them into one experience.
 

Mem

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The point is that you dont have to make an OS that pleases everybody and works on everything. The best way is to make a variety of OSs that suit their function and that work well together.

Apple gets this. Microsoft seems to not have a clue about it.



A decade ago Microsoft had a very successful mobile OS.



Why? Why do we suddenly need to reduce the user experience to OS over a variety of devices?



So Microsoft should put some effort into supporting those devices rather than trying to reduce them into one experience.


Having too many Microsoft Operating Systems can become complicated for the average consumer,probably also frees up resources for Microsoft as well ie concentrate on one OS rather then a lot more,you have to look at the big picture,as to Apple who gives a damn what they do?...I know I don't,they are just overpriced hardware,you are just paying for the name with Apple.

As to reducing user experience,again that's really relative to the user in question and their preference.

You don't like what Microsoft are doing then don't buy their products, just like I refuse to buy any POS from Apple(I prefer and use Android in many ways to Apple).

It's funny we have no problem when hardware changes but with Operating Systems it's a different ball game.


You may not like what they are doing but I can understand why even as a desktop PC user and gamer myself.
 

WelshBloke

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Having too many Microsoft Operating Systems can become complicated for the average consumer,probably also frees up resources for Microsoft as well ie concentrate on one OS rather then a lot more,you have to look at the big picture,as to Apple who gives a damn what they do?...I know I don't,they are just overpriced hardware,you are just paying for the name with Apple.

Its a lot more complicated when Microsoft decide that my phone, my tablet and my PC suddenly have the same UI when they are all suited to totally different UIs.

As to reducing user experience,again that's really relative to the user in question and their preference.

Its really not. If you are taking 3 different devices (phones, tablets and PCs) and making the same UI over all those then you are reducing the user experience. Thats not really debatable. You might argue that its the correct choice but its still reducing the experience.

You don't like what Microsoft are doing then don't buy their products, just like I refuse to buy any POS from Apple(I prefer and use Android in many ways to Apple).

Thats a bit of an asinine statement. I dont particularly like iOS or osX but I can see that Microsoft could learn from Apple in some regards (Apple could learn a lot more from Microsoft as well.)

It's funny we have no problem when hardware changes but with Operating Systems it's a different ball game.

Hardware changes should be invisible to the end user unless they open up an obvious change in the way you can do things. The trick is to only implement that change if its better than the way you used to do things.


You may not like what they are doing but I can understand why even as a desktop PC user and gamer myself.

I probably spend more time on my mobile devices than my PC now but I can still see the need for a different experience on my different devices.

Why would I bother going to my PC if it didn't do anything different or better than my phone?
 
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