Its a lot more complicated when Microsoft decide that my phone, my tablet and my PC suddenly have the same UI when they are all suited to totally different UIs.
Its really not. If you are taking 3 different devices (phones, tablets and PCs) and making the same UI over all those then you are reducing the user experience. Thats not really debatable. You might argue that its the correct choice but its still reducing the experience.
Thats a bit of an asinine statement. I dont particularly like iOS or osX but I can see that Microsoft could learn from Apple in some regards (Apple could learn a lot more from Microsoft as well.)
Hardware changes should be invisible to the end user unless they open up an obvious change in the way you can do things. The trick is to only implement that change if its better than the way you used to do things.
I probably spend more time on my mobile devices than my PC now but I can still see the need for a different experience on my different devices.
Why would I bother going to my PC if it didn't do anything different or better than my phone?
I've to disagree,learning three or four different Operating Systems compared to one that does it all.
Some hardware changes are invisible,some are not.
Again reducing the user experience is relative,ask a thousand people and get different feedback/answers,point is you have choices out there from Linux,Apple,Microsoft,Android etc,up to you what you prefer and what you think is right and best in regards to user experience.
Personally I've not had reduced user experience on 8/8.1 compared to previous Windows,same for Win10 as well,again personal preference,you may not like what they are doing but does not make it wrong,just a different direction they are going.
I could throw a curve ball in here and say why can't more people adapt to changes?
I have adapted to changes on both Windows and Linux,some good and some bad over the decades but it has not reduced my user experience,this goes back way before Win8 or even XP etc...
Regardless I don't mind the direction they are going,its just another simple Windows OS to me.
End of the day we have different view points,I'll say modern Microsoft OS is a lot more simple then it use to be many,many years ago,I could also say the same for Linux as well.
Well, Microsoft has a reason. The Surface Pro 3 is the only Windows machine I might prefer over an Apple notebook.Its a lot more complicated when Microsoft decide that my phone, my tablet and my PC suddenly have the same UI when they are all suited to totally different UIs.
Its really not. If you are taking 3 different devices (phones, tablets and PCs) and making the same UI over all those then you are reducing the user experience. Thats not really debatable. You might argue that its the correct choice but its still reducing the experience.
Thats a bit of an asinine statement. I dont particularly like iOS or osX but I can see that Microsoft could learn from Apple in some regards (Apple could learn a lot more from Microsoft as well.)
Hardware changes should be invisible to the end user unless they open up an obvious change in the way you can do things. The trick is to only implement that change if its better than the way you used to do things.
I probably spend more time on my mobile devices than my PC now but I can still see the need for a different experience on my different devices.
Why would I bother going to my PC if it didn't do anything different or better than my phone?
I have never experienced annoying "mouse gestures" except annoying Asus-specific touchpad enhancements (OEM bloatware) that I was forced to disable almost immediately on one particular system.Really what MS should have done is have a tablet mode. When checked, it has all the swipe stuff and metro and all that. When unchecked it's basically windows 7. No charms bar or mouse gestures or any of that. Could also let the user pick and choose the individual settings for each mode. So if you want the mouse gestures but don't want metro you can set that up too. When you install you pick the option, but you can also go change it later in the settings.
Really what MS should have done is have a tablet mode. When checked, it has all the swipe stuff and metro and all that. When unchecked it's basically windows 7. No charms bar or mouse gestures or any of that. Could also let the user pick and choose the individual settings for each mode. So if you want the mouse gestures but don't want metro you can set that up too. When you install you pick the option, but you can also go change it later in the settings.
The full screen "apps" that pop up when you open a file are way more annoying.
Who the fuck thought that was a good idea at Microsoft?
Really what MS should have done is have a tablet mode. When checked, it has all the swipe stuff and metro and all that. When unchecked it's basically windows 7. No charms bar or mouse gestures or any of that. Could also let the user pick and choose the individual settings for each mode. So if you want the mouse gestures but don't want metro you can set that up too. When you install you pick the option, but you can also go change it later in the settings.
I think the lack of Aero and the blocky nature of Windows 8 in general makes it's appearance lackluster. Just my opinion though. My main complaint lol.
The full screen "apps" that pop up when you open a file are way more annoying.
Who the fuck thought that was a good idea at Microsoft?
Yeah. Just rigt-click the file. "Open With" > "Choose default..."Which you can fix permanently in 5min by adjusting file extensions
Nice, lets do that for every file typeYeah. Just rigt-click the file. "Open With" > "Choose default..."
You shouldnt have to learn an OS.
But unless they open up some new way of doing things (touch screens, etc) hardware shouldn't get in the way of what you want to do.
It isnt at all relative. What you or I like doesnt come into it. If you are taking 3 UI experiences and turning them into 1 then you are reducing the UI experience across those devices.
But you will have a reduced user experience if you go to Win10 and all your devices are using the same UI.
You'll be happy when your PC is running a phone OS? Or your phone is running a desktop OS?
Or they are both running a half arsed version of both?
People can cope with changes. They just aren't going to put up with them unless it brings something to the table for them.
Bully for you. I'm not sure what thats got to do with this though.
OK. Thats fantastic for both you and Microsoft. Unfortunately a lot of the public's a bit more discerning and the competition is a lot hotter than its been in decades.
You can say what you want but its ignoring what a lot of the general feeling of the public is.
Making an argument that Win 8 is easier than Win 3.1 is just daft. the worlds a different place now and people expect a damn sight more out of their OSs.
Technically its running a versatile OS that covers it all,not a pure phone OS like you are saying,yes I would be happy with 8.1/Win10 etc as it stands.But you will have a reduced user experience if you go to Win10 and all your devices are using the same UI.
You'll be happy when your PC is running a phone OS? Or your phone is running a desktop OS?
Or they are both running a half arsed version of both?
Nice, lets do that for every file type
and then lets have everybody on the planet using Windows do the same
or
let's just use Windows 7 that is usable out of the box
What do you think if majority of PC users like to meddle with settings since things don't work out of the box?
Sure you have to learn an OS,some people start using it for the first time,others have to figure out what is new and what's been moved or changed etc....happens on every OS regardless of Linux or Windows.
I don't think thats accurate. A well designed OS dosent have to be learnt. Its one of the reasons apple has been so successful, people don't have to learn how to use their products, its pretty obvious how to use their products just by looking at the UI because in general they are very well designed.
Nothing about windows 8 or 8.1 was obvious or well designed.
I don't think thats accurate. A well designed OS dosent have to be learnt. Its one of the reasons apple has been so successful, people don't have to learn how to use their products, its pretty obvious how to use their products just by looking at the UI because in general they are very well designed.
Nothing about windows 8 or 8.1 was obvious or well designed.
I disagree. When I bought my wife her 27" iMac three years ago I asked their so called Genius bar folks how to create a shortcut. Oh they knew what a shortcut was, but had no idea how to create the equivalent.I don't think thats accurate. A well designed OS dosent have to be learnt. Its one of the reasons apple has been so successful, people don't have to learn how to use their products, its pretty obvious how to use their products just by looking at the UI because in general they are very well designed.
Nothing about windows 8 or 8.1 was obvious or well designed.
I disagree. When I bought my wife her 27" iMac three years ago I asked their so called Genius bar folks how to create a shortcut. Oh they knew what a shortcut was, but had no idea how to create the equivalent.
Now, I'm not my wife and I figured it out, but I had to get online help and it wasn't trivial in the least. Such an easy example to highlight how simple can be ignorantly blissful.
From what I hear they now have shortcuts, but I have not bought another Apple computer and have not upgraded the wife's original s/w from Lion.
*laughing*Now, I'm not my wife and I figured it out, but I had to get online help and it wasn't trivial in the least. Such an easy example to highlight how simple can be ignorantly blissful.
From what I hear they now have shortcuts,
Nice, lets do that for every file type
and then lets have everybody on the planet using Windows do the same
or
let's just use Windows 7 that is usable out of the box
What do you think if majority of PC users like to meddle with settings since things don't work out of the box?