I hate Xmas.

[Pokey007]

When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?

 

[Ladies Man]

blah

gimmie gimmie gimmie

 

[Lager]

Did somebody not get a Xbox under their tree?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?

Perverse?

"Today we know that Christ was not born on the 25th of December. The date was chosen to coincide with the pagan Roman celebrations honouring Saturnus (the harvest god) and Mithras (the ancient god of light), a form of sun worship. These celebrations came on or just after the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year in the northern hemisphere, to announce that winter is not forever, that life continues, and an invitation to stay in good spirit."



All About Christmas

 

[Pokey007]

How many people actually go to mass on Xmas?

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?

Look up the numbers my friend. Probably the largest market is the children, and they are quite possibly the least concearned with the birth of Christ. Put 2 & 2 togehter...

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
How many people actually go to mass on Xmas?

Not everyone is Catholic...

If you want Christmas to be about God and religion, why take Christ out of Christmas and call it xmas?

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Pokey007
How many people actually go to mass on Xmas?

Not everyone is Catholic...

If you want Christmas to be about God and religion, why take Christ out of Christmas and call it xmas?

pwned!

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?

At the same time Valentines day started requiring a major present (diamonds) to your SO, mothers day/fathers day became a major present holiday, Easter became a major gift day, hell even secretaries day became a big day.

Welcome to the Hallmark society... $2.95 at a time.

At least noone can blame me for not sending them a St. Patricks Day card. I'm celebrating it the way it was supposed to be celebrated... by getting so sh!tfaced I can't even remember my own name.

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Pokey007
How many people actually go to mass on Xmas?

Not everyone is Catholic...

If you want Christmas to be about God and religion, why take Christ out of Christmas and call it xmas?

pwned!

times 10

 

[thawolfman]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: Pokey007
How many people actually go to mass on Xmas?

Not everyone is Catholic...

If you want Christmas to be about God and religion, why take Christ out of Christmas and call it xmas?

:Q

 

[Wingznut]

I'm not so sure what's so "commercial" about Christmas. Religion aside, it's about having fun and spending time with friends and family.

And what's more fun than giving/receiving presents?

 

[Pokey007]

I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?

 

[JBAR]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?

Perverse?

"Today we know that Christ was not born on the 25th of December. The date was chosen to coincide with the pagan Roman celebrations honouring Saturnus (the harvest god) and Mithras (the ancient god of light), a form of sun worship. These celebrations came on or just after the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year in the northern hemisphere, to announce that winter is not forever, that life continues, and an invitation to stay in good spirit."



All About Christmas

Then why don't we celebrate Christmas on the 21st of Dec instead of the 25th? It is because the Fathers of the Church knew that the annunciation happened on March 25, to coincide with Passover that year. Nine months later is Dec 25. It's not an exact science but it fits. And so what that the winter solstice begins at the Winter Equinox. Jesus fullfilled Judaism as well as paganism. The Prophet Malachi wrote "The Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings."

 

[RossGr]

Celebrate the Solstice!!

The TRUE reason for the season!

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?

You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???

 

[Pokey007]

of course I enjoy exchanging presents with love ones. But why should this holiday be in the guise of relgion? Why should people be forced to exchanged presents on a certain day at all?!?!? Shouldn't your love for that person be enough?

 

[Chaotic42]

I know what you mean, but coming here and complaining about it to a bunch of atheists isn't going to solve anything.

Just celebrate it the way you see fit, and teach your kids to do the same.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?

You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???

I believe he was refering more to greed...


Just the other day a fine young man told me "Jesus is the reason for the season" as I exited the mall...

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
When did this holiday turn from a religious holiday to a perverse commerical holiday. Shouldn't it be about the birth of Chirst and not about presents?

hate to break it to you but chirstmas is about ham.

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?

You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???

It's not about forcing the stress of finding the perfect present for every person in your family at one time. Or battling massive hordes of other holiday shoppers. At least, that's what it wasn't originally about.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?

You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???

Democracy is not an economic system.

de·moc·ra·cy     P   Pronunciation Key  (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

 

[Pokey007]

Democracy is not an economic system.

de·moc·ra·cy P Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

[/quote]


seperation of chruch and state dude.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: Pokey007
Democracy is not an economic system.

de·moc·ra·cy P Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

2. A political or social unit that has such a government.

3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

4. Majority rule.

5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

seperation of chruch and state dude.[/quote]



WTF?

 

[OverVolt]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Pokey007
I'm not Catholic either, but let's face the facts. Christmas is more about December sales than an religious significance. Why should America have an Economic holiday? Doesn't this just embody consumerism?

You don't find it enjoyable to exchange presents with loved ones? Or see the anticipation/joy on the faces of the little ones?

Btw... What the hell is "consumerism"? The act of buying or selling goods? Isn't that what a democratic economy is all about???

i spent 1hour+ in traffic and went half a mile trying to get by the mall today. And when i went go buy something it took me half an hour to find a parking space.