I Have A Dream

[WaitingForNehalem]

The question is, when can I expect this to come true? I know LG is releasing some larger e-ips monitors, but I really want 120hz. So far, I haven't seen any upcoming news regarding one.

 

[nbowman]

throw in an LED backlight and displayport, HDMI & DVI ports and you have my dream monitor. I ain't exactly gonna hold my breath waiting on it though.

e: I really don't wanna think about the price either >_<

 

[yusux]

Just 24"? Ur dreams are bit wimpy no offense

I had a real dream where my car was going up a wet/muddy moutain and ppl playing hockey on the highway

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: yusux
Just 24"? Ur dreams are bit wimpy no offense

I had a real dream where my car was going up a wet/muddy moutain and ppl playing hockey on the highway

Are you kidding me? I would never buy a 30". Not HDCP compliant, too large, too expensive, and needs too much power that I'd be upgrading constantly. I meant a realistic dream, not a fantasy.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: yusux
Just 24"? Ur dreams are bit wimpy no offense

I had a real dream where my car was going up a wet/muddy moutain and ppl playing hockey on the highway

Are you kidding me? I would never buy a 30". Not HDCP compliant, too large, too expensive, and needs too much power that I'd be upgrading constantly. I meant a realistic dream, not a fantasy.

since when are 30 inch monitors not HDCP compliant? also besides Clear Sky DX10 maxed and Crysis DX10 maxed even a single 4890 or gtx275 can play games at 2560.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: yusux
Just 24"? Ur dreams are bit wimpy no offense

I had a real dream where my car was going up a wet/muddy moutain and ppl playing hockey on the highway

Are you kidding me? I would never buy a 30". Not HDCP compliant, too large, too expensive, and needs too much power that I'd be upgrading constantly. I meant a realistic dream, not a fantasy.

since when are 30 inch monitors not HDCP compliant? also besides Clear Sky DX10 maxed and Crysis DX10 maxed even a single 4890 or gtx275 can play games at 2560.

My mistake, the newer cards do support it. Apparently some of the 8800 cards couldn't do it.

 

[yusux]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: yusux
Just 24"? Ur dreams are bit wimpy no offense

I had a real dream where my car was going up a wet/muddy moutain and ppl playing hockey on the highway

Are you kidding me? I would never buy a 30". Not HDCP compliant, too large, too expensive, and needs too much power that I'd be upgrading constantly. I meant a realistic dream, not a fantasy.

I never said anything about 30" monitor in my first post, and I'm sure there is some 30" hdcp monitors if u look hard enough

Too large? I don't think so, a 30" will really immerse you into gaming even more, monitors have been getting bigger and bigger since the dawn of LCD and I hope we'll see bigger than 30"s

Some 30" is going for some descent prices on fleaBay right now, but if u don't want to dish out money for it, then u don't, I saw a review of a 4890 able to run 2560x1600 in Farcry 2 with AA/AF turned on, todays video cards are getting more and more powerful.

It's weird how some1 with ur gear of
Intel Core i7 920
MSI X58 PRO
EVGA GTX 260 Core 216
6GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1333
Raidmax Smilodon Extreme
WD Caviar Black 1TB
OCZ StealthXStream 600W

are actually concerned about too large, too expensive, and needs too much power

ur dreams aren't a fantasy as long as ur willing to pay for it, gaming has always been like this, hell any1 could save alot watts by going back to 1280x1024, but no1 would ever do that from 1920x1200, unless they're facing debts and forclosures

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

By power I meant how much GPU power you'd need. The reason I have such a nice build is because I upgrade when I must. Before this I had a P4 3.2GHz HT/X850XT. I used to game at 1280x1024 and that allowed me to put settings to high and still have high fps. I'm on a 20" right now due to pixel pitch. For me, a 24 inch is plenty and I will upgrade when a monitor meets my criteria. Anyways, does anyone know of a monitor that has the features I want?

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
By power I meant how much GPU power you'd need. The reason I have such a nice build is because I upgrade when I must. Before this I had a P4 3.2GHz HT/X850XT. I used to game at 1280x1024 and that allowed me to put settings to high and still have high fps. I'm on a 20" right now due to pixel pitch. For me, a 24 inch is plenty and I will upgrade when a monitor meets my criteria. Anyways, does anyone know of a monitor that has the features I want?

well something you probably havent thought about is that at 2560 you are so gpu dependent that your i7 cpu wont need to be ungraded for three to four years or so. all you would have to do is buy a new gpu every year or two and not worry about buying a new cpu especially if that meant a whole new platform because of a socket change. its all in how you look at it.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Well I want to spend under $300. So again a 30" is out of the picture.

 

[palladium]

Are you into stereo 3D gaming..? Why do you need 120Hz?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: palladium
Are you into stereo 3D gaming..? Why do you need 120Hz?

Sports?

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Overall smoothness and no v-sync. Plus having the mouse move smoothly is also awesome.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Overall smoothness and no v-sync. Plus having the mouse move smoothly is also awesome.

although not as bad a game will still tear even if it doesnt exceed the refresh rate. I would rather have 60hz and turn on vsync.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Overall smoothness and no v-sync. Plus having the mouse move smoothly is also awesome.

although not as bad a game will still tear even if it doesnt exceed the refresh rate. I would rather have 60hz and turn on vsync.

How, the monitor isn't receiving more data than it can display?

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Overall smoothness and no v-sync. Plus having the mouse move smoothly is also awesome.

although not as bad a game will still tear even if it doesnt exceed the refresh rate. I would rather have 60hz and turn on vsync.

How, the monitor isn't receiving more data than it can display?

it stlll tears though and thats a fact. I can get tons of tearing in Crysis even at 20-25fps. the tearing as isnt bothersome on my crt but its very irritating on my lcd.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Overall smoothness and no v-sync. Plus having the mouse move smoothly is also awesome.

although not as bad a game will still tear even if it doesnt exceed the refresh rate. I would rather have 60hz and turn on vsync.

How, the monitor isn't receiving more data than it can display?

it stlll tears though and thats a fact. I can get tons of tearing in Crysis even at 20-25fps.

Well your tearing isn't due to the LCD then. I get no tearing unless it's over 60 fps.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Overall smoothness and no v-sync. Plus having the mouse move smoothly is also awesome.

although not as bad a game will still tear even if it doesnt exceed the refresh rate. I would rather have 60hz and turn on vsync.

How, the monitor isn't receiving more data than it can display?

it stlll tears though and thats a fact. I can get tons of tearing in Crysis even at 20-25fps.

Well your tearing isn't due to the LCD then. I get no tearing unless it's over 60 fps.

thats absolutely not true. the tearing is much worse when you exceed the the refresh rate but it is still there.

 

[mmnno]

eIPS 24": Hopefully this year.

120Hz: Never. Unless consumers move to eIPS in a tsunami, vendors will be happy just to stay afloat selling a pricey niche product. They won't be looking for ways to make it more pricey and more niche. OLED (and SED if it's coming) will get here first, you're better off watching developments in that sector.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

I'd be content without 120hz, but it would be a bonus.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: toyota

although not as bad a game will still tear even if it doesnt exceed the refresh rate. I would rather have 60hz and turn on vsync.

If you?re using vsync, why not have 120 Hz? A 120 Hz display is superior to a 60 Hz display, whether you run vsync or not.

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

How, the monitor isn't receiving more data than it can display?

Very easily if the frames don?t fall on the refresh cycles. Here?s a simple example:

60 Hz = 16 ms. 40 FPS = 25 ms.

• Refresh cycle times (ms): 16,32,48,64,80,96.
• Frame times (ms): 25,50,75,90.
• Min variance (ms): 7, 2, 5, 6 = 5 ms average.

At 40 FPS, all of those frames will tear on a 60 Hz display because not one of them is aligned to a 60 Hz refresh cycle.

Now look at a 120 Hz display (8 ms):

• Refresh cycle times (ms): 8,16,24,32,40,48,56,64,72,80,88
• Frame times (ms): 25,50,75,90.
• Min variance (ms): 1 ms, 2 ms, 3 ms, 2 ms = 2 ms average.

Note that:

• A tear-free experience is a 0 ms average in the min variance. This signifies all of the frames arrive at the same time as a refresh cycle does.
  
• On a 60 Hz display, the average minimum gap between frame times and refresh times is 5 ms @ 40 FPS.
  
• On a 120 Hz display, the average minimum between frame times and refresh times is 2 ms @ 40 FPS.

So you?ll still get tearing on the 120 Hz display even with 40 FPS, but it?ll be much less because on average the frame times are aligned much closer to the refresh cycle times.

This has all been covered here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2288417&enterthread=y

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Looking at the reviews it seems 120hz fixed my major problem with lcd's, motion blur.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

OLED will probably be available by then, which has been part of my dream monitor for a while now.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Well I don't think OLED is coming this year and I definitely don't think it will be under $400.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Looking at the reviews it seems 120hz fixed my major problem with lcd's, motion blur.

where are some good reviews?